DUST Search - insufficient ISK by battle

The Robot Devil wrote:

the zarck wrote:

XEROO COOL wrote:

the zarck wrote:

I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this.
I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle.

Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Big smile

Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed.

Nope, I suck at this game, I don't have proto suits but still have no problem being competitive in advance or even Templar BPOs or in a dragonfly. Play to your strengths and don't engage people unless you think you have a chance. With well placed skills and a couple of good modules even a starter fit does well. I ran starter fits(pure starters) for 6 weeks straight and came away with a good bit of ISK and a better gun game. If you can't do it in an advanced suit then you can't do it.

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the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 152	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:40:00 - [1] - Quote I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 264	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:41:00 - [2] - Quote the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. They nerfed it in 1.5 or 1.6 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4450	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:43:00 - [3] - Quote So basically you want a higher ISK payout so that PRO suits are profitable in PUBs? Seems Legit. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 152	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:47:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: So basically you want a higher ISK payout so that PRO suits are profitable in PUBs? Seems Legit. Pro suits was just a example . My point is that isn't enough to compensate the losses in battle Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 949	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:47:00 - [5] - Quote We really don't need more ISK per match. I make a profit each time I play when I run proto, if you can't do the same you probably shouldn't be using the gear. If anything that is an argument to lower ISK payouts to keep people from running prototype gear 24/7 in pubs. Only problem with that is the ISK bloat from Planetary Conquest won't reduce those players from doing it. whistles innocently Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected] (checked every Monday morning)
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 845	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:47:00 - [6] - Quote AW HELLL NO
Billi Gene 462	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:49:00 - [7] - Quote At 200k payout, i'm losing isk for 4 deaths running adv gallogi. 2 deaths is a loss at that rate for ProGallogi. 7 deaths in std scout, is a loss @200k isk MLT is profit. CCP wants us to run MLT. Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 517	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:51:00 - [8] - Quote the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
Ku Shala Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 815	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:51:00 - [9] - Quote This is what we need for isk payouts on top of the time played and the other contributing isk factors For what is right. For what is ours, Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Join us today! The States Necromancer For The State!
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 152	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:51:00 - [10] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: At 200k payout, i'm losing isk for 4 deaths running adv gallogi. 2 deaths is a loss at that rate for ProGallogi. 7 deaths in std scout, is a loss @200k isk MLT is profit. CCP wants us to run MLT. Ccp wants to sale more aurum because MLT means get urself kill many times... MLT vs PROTO no a chance Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1828	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:52:00 - [11] - Quote I don't think we need more money per match but I do think the prices of drop suits should be reduced just because it doesn't make sense to me that a tank costs less than a dropsuit. Armor and Shields are not the same!
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 264	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:54:00 - [12] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: I don't think we need more money per match but I do think the prices of drop suits should be reduced just because it doesn't make sense to me that a tank costs less than a dropsuit. My pro logi fit with a adv weapon 900 isk equipment costs 96k, wtf..... 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 585	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:54:00 - [13] - Quote I would say no under normal circumstances, there is no need for a single match to contribute to you running Pro every single match. But with all the Isk bleeding from PC it just means all those Corps are able to run Pro all day every day...why not even to the playing field?
lee corwood Knights Of Ender 427	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:55:00 - [14] - Quote I run ADV logi and I still make a profit after 4 deaths. Requesting a profit because you decided to bring your shiniest, fanciest suit into a pub match. No. Stop pubstomping. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
lee corwood Knights Of Ender 427	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:57:00 - [15] - Quote NK Scout wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: I don't think we need more money per match but I do think the prices of drop suits should be reduced just because it doesn't make sense to me that a tank costs less than a dropsuit. My pro logi fit with a adv weapon 900 isk equipment costs 96k, wtf..... I'd be curious for tankers to chime in as I'm not a tanker. My proto logi suit is 200k. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 152	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:58:00 - [16] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6415	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:59:00 - [17] - Quote Maybe the payout is like that to discourage running proto in pubs? Just maybe? My advanced Commando fit I run 90% of the time in pubs costs 50k ISK a pop, so I can die 4 times and be fine, which seems good to me. Alternatively I could always run a 10k standard fit and have a death allowance of 20. Also nanite injectors are your friends. I wish more people would bring them to battle, but you rarely see them on anything other than an logi suit or the Starter - Medic suit. It is ok to run injectors on your Assaults guys! Heck, I run them on my Commando. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Minato Cas LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 21	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:01:00 - [18] - Quote Is better to play with militia tanks than playing with your proto dropsuit, is really hard to kill, is cheaper, and the only way to beat someone with a tank, is another tank, if you go with your proto and everyone has a tank, is a ***** slaughter and a loss of isk .... How is possible that I invested like 11 mill of sp to a proto dropsuit and 8 mill of sp to kill vehicles with grenades, mines, swarm launchers (everything proto) and nothing seems to work, the motto of this uprising is " ambush of 12939217398721839 tanks, and if you dont have a good tank so ** yourself" ... is really annoying !!
broonfondle majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 804	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:01:00 - [19] - Quote I always seem to make a profit. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1828	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:02:00 - [20] - Quote NK Scout wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: I don't think we need more money per match but I do think the prices of drop suits should be reduced just because it doesn't make sense to me that a tank costs less than a dropsuit. My pro logi fit with a adv weapon 900 isk equipment costs 96k, wtf..... My scout suit costs 25k, my logi suits costs 180k if I am being a real logi, 126k if I am assault logi Armor and Shields are not the same!

NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 266	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:04:00 - [21] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: NK Scout wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: I don't think we need more money per match but I do think the prices of drop suits should be reduced just because it doesn't make sense to me that a tank costs less than a dropsuit. My pro logi fit with a adv weapon 900 isk equipment costs 96k, wtf..... My scout suit costs 25k, my logi suits costs 180k if I am being a real logi, 126k if I am assault logi I dont use proto weapons much, its not worth it, now I will never use a proto weapon or proto suit ever agai 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
SOMBRA del MUERTE The Exemplars Top Men. 25	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:09:00 - [22] - Quote This mechanic should help to keep the playing field balanced for newer players, if it weren't for the lack of other battle / market options for the spacerich to flex their shiny stuff. Proto-suits should be unsustainable if you're only fighting public contracts. If you want to profit in public matches, you have to keep your losses below gains, narrowing your options to: - Run cheap/BPO stuff and: a) die a lot but who cares your still making profit; b) get really good and don't die ( making max profit ); c) some combination of a and b. - Run proto-suits and: a) don't die; b) run with a logi that can pick you up and hope you don't get terminated; c) do the rubberband dance in the MCC / redline. Hopefully a healthy market will solve the problem of ISK making opportunities, but you could already do that with an Eve character. 10M ISK is not a lot in the Eve scale. You could make enough to keep your merc in perma-proto. or you could get a few guys together and farm some game mechanic exploit and get spacerich
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1351	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:09:00 - [23] - Quote Proto suit aren't supposed to be profitable in pubs. Skrim matches do need a higher payout though(ambush payouts are fine imo) i die 3 times at most in an ambush match a 90k loss with adv suits. However in skrims it isn't uncommon for me to die 5 or more times and the payout is almost the same. Please excuse any gramatical/spelling errors i'm using my phone. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1596	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:11:00 - [24] - Quote the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. Nope, I suck at this game, I don't have proto suits but still have no problem being competitive in advance or even Templar BPOs or in a dragonfly. Play to your strengths and don't engage people unless you think you have a chance. With well placed skills and a couple of good modules even a starter fit does well. I ran starter fits(pure starters) for 6 weeks straight and came away with a good bit of ISK and a better gun game. If you can't do it in an advanced suit then you can't do it. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 455	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:12:00 - [25] - Quote If I am not in my Tank, I run 'Raven' Basic C-1 Assault, advanced damage mods, advanced Rail Rifle, and the rest is basic. That only costs like 16 grand, 20 or so if it wasn't for the BPO. I kill plenty of people with that set up and don't die that often. My Tank costs 160-ish . I can afford to lose one a match and be ISK positive forever. Some matches I could lose two and still be positive. Pay out seems to be pretty static. 150 for not that impressive of a game, 200-280 for a good game, and you can hit into 360+ in a Domination for destroying a bunch of prototype suits or vehicles. Now, I'm just a hyperspace chicken on the internet but it seems to me that this 'CCP' person has designed the game around in not being able to constantly run prototype everything and be money positive.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 266	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:12:00 - [26] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Proto suit aren't supposed to be profitable in pubs. Skrim matches do need a higher payout though(ambush payouts are fine imo) i die 3 times at most in an ambush match a 90k loss with adv suits. However in skrims it isn't uncommon for me to die 5 or more times and the payout is almost the same. Please excuse any gramatical/spelling errors i'm using my phone. Skirm and dom need higher pay 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 152	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:13:00 - [27] - Quote So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
Billi Gene 463	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:17:00 - [28] - Quote the zarck wrote: Ccp wants to sale more aurum because MLT means get urself kill many times... MLT vs PROTO no a chance yup fairly much this. I don't disagree with the sentiment either, one runs a business to make profit from goods or services offered. its unfortunate that PC was so badly realised though. We have a significantly small portion of the player population controlling large tracts of the isk generating assets. Basically a iWIN button. I'm well aware of the parallels within EvE and applaud the symetrics, its just that somehow whereas EvE has a sense of freedom of movement, with multiple paths to the same goal, many circumventing traps laid out by other players, in DUST we have one activity. We have little to no choice in the meaningfulness of that activity, other than to enjoy it for it for what it is. It goes for an average of 10-15 minutes, on a server decided and furnished map. And it is usually fun for all that. but it isnt EvE :P so the parallels themselves are meaningless, the fact that a small percentage of DUST's player base are immune to the concerns of isk generation, other than to make sure they control enough planets to afford to lock out their timers, such that they can spam 100's of thousands of isk in Losses, match after match without care...... seems like bad game design... but thats just me hey.. I'm half chinese.. i can completely see how CCP Shanghai think a system in which all the plebs fund the game for the leading elite to enjoy (free of charge)is fair Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 152	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:18:00 - [29] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. Nope, I suck at this game, I don't have proto suits but still have no problem being competitive in advance or even Templar BPOs or in a dragonfly. Play to your strengths and don't engage people unless you think you have a chance. With well placed skills and a couple of good modules even a starter fit does well. I ran starter fits(pure starters) for 6 weeks straight and came away with a good bit of ISK and a better gun game. If you can't do it in an advanced suit then you can't do it. I don't have problems playing with ADV. I have to stop using my Sentinel ak.0 and turn to M1 series A logi just because this situation. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
lee corwood Knights Of Ender 427	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:23:00 - [30] - Quote the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. actually more like we see you queuing your corp into pub matches with a lot of newer players in your proto suits because, you know, you want to match 'equal'. Also, you're complaining about your lose of proto suits against non proto users and think them bringing their own expensive gear to the table is going to help pad your wallet. If you're already dying to non proto users, wouldn't you just die more against other proto (equal) users so you'd still have the same problem?? Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick



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