These tears are delightful

hmmm, the OP has a legitimate concern.

if a TEST pilot was repeatedly self-destructing his Battleship and then asking for the alliance to refund it, how long would he last before he was kicked etc?

Is FW army the new impswarm?

FWA is new PRO.

These tears are delightful

How about just do away with FF since it solves nothing but allowing idiots to grief others that enjoy something other than their preferred play style. Just one more reason to let this game burn.

Been doing this before 1.7 with one three man squad and doing it successfully, please more QQ

Wasn't there a topic about this yesterday? I'll paraphrase myself from that thread:

"Welcome to New Eden. Believe it or not, this is working as intended."

A full squad of Factional Warfare Army successfully depleted 100+ of our team's clones yesterday in a FW match. We almost managed to clone the enemy before our teammates lost the game for us but unfortunately killing proto suits is harder than detonating REs at your own feet. My phone was dead so I do not have a screen shot for those who are sure to post "pics or it didn't happen", but I'm sure this wasn't the first time a random squad thought this was funny.

My question to CCP: Are changes in penalties for sabotage (team killing/suidice/etc.) being considered for FW?

I suggest that the same penalty for harming other teammates are applied to every individual without any "forgive/punish" option. If you kill yourself 4 times, you're out. If you cause yourself 5,000 (or whatever the figure is) damage, you're out.

Thoughts?

The fact that CCP developed a penalty for friendly fire and destruction to your own vehicles implies that sabotage is not an intended mechanic. I understand the whole "welcome to New Eden" cop out, but I think that CCP has clearly went against this ideology over and over again in DUST 514. How many sandbox features are left in this game really? PC isn't even safe as CCP is claiming to fix the mechanic that allows it to be used as an ISK farm.

If this game wasn't what it was, I'd humor the "welcome to New Eden" response but unfortunately CCP doesn't even believe in it so why should I?

Yeah, um, I'll just go ahead and directly quote the devs on that one: "a certain amount of griefing is healthy."

Do you even CCP, bro?

What they don't want is so much griefing that the game becomes unplayable. Short of that, have at it.

A full squad of Factional Warfare Army successfully depleted 100+ of our team's clones yesterday in a FW match. We almost managed to clone the enemy before our teammates lost the game for us but unfortunately killing proto suits is harder than detonating REs at your own feet. My phone was dead so I do not have a screen shot for those who are sure to post "pics or it didn't happen", but I'm sure this wasn't the first time a random squad thought this was funny.

My question to CCP: Are changes in penalties for sabotage (team killing/suidice/etc.) being considered for FW?

I suggest that the same penalty for harming other teammates are applied to every individual without any "forgive/punish" option. If you kill yourself 4 times, you're out. If you cause yourself 5,000 (or whatever the figure is) damage, you're out.

Thoughts?

If they were detonating REs they're not doing it right. That process would be brutally slow compared to more effective suicide techniques. Just saying.

Been doing this before 1.7 with one three man squad and doing it successfully, please more QQ

I must admit that I do not know for sure the method by which they did this. It could've been another way. I'm curious, what is the faster method that you're referring to? I've heard of something with spawning into a tank and dying instantly but I'm not entirely sure how accurate that claim is.

You've been doing something that involves zero risk and requires no skill whatsoever?

Do you want a cookie? Because you're a ******* infant.

Yes. That works. There are also sockets on the map that act as kill hazards if you jump into them. Setting up a spawn uplink near those regions allow a player to jump in while the transition screen is still black. During the time the display is rendering players often immediately gain movement control and this in turn allows players to jump--into those convenient hazards.

I guess the response to this would be to buff the fence height.

"I've been suiciding in video games for hours to mildly agitate the few players I encounter BEFORE it was cool"

Punish people via isk for TK's.

Punish people via isk for suicides.

If you do not have a certain amount of isk, you cannot enter FW.

Mildly agitate? You've obviously never done this. The pure, unbridled rage that appears in your inbox when you do it is pure gold.

If that slows it down then I'd be all for it. I forgot about the environments themselves completely. Maybe even making the respawn from a death like this much longer than a normal respawn would help.

I like this suggestion a lot. Could you clarify exactly how to do this? When I first read this I thought that maybe you meant something like along with the -50 wp there would be a -X ISK. I'm thinking now that maybe taking it out of the ISK earned might be good too.

A full squad of Factional Warfare Army successfully depleted 100+ of our team's clones yesterday in a FW match. We almost managed to clone the enemy before our teammates lost the game for us but unfortunately killing proto suits is harder than detonating REs at your own feet. My phone was dead so I do not have a screen shot for those who are sure to post "pics or it didn't happen", but I'm sure this wasn't the first time a random squad thought this was funny.

My question to CCP: Are changes in penalties for sabotage (team killing/suidice/etc.) being considered for FW?

I suggest that the same penalty for harming other teammates are applied to every individual without any "forgive/punish" option. If you kill yourself 4 times, you're out. If you cause yourself 5,000 (or whatever the figure is) damage, you're out.

Thoughts?

Did you know that if you stand on top of the null cannon, it will blow you off the top when it fires, killing you instantly. You could then punish it for friendly fire. Would it be possible to get a null cannon kicked from Faction Warfare?

This is a good point. From an immersion standpoint it does makes sense that our employers would want to limit suicides in the same way they limit TKs.

I'd be tempted to ignore the damage limit and just count suicides.

I mean a direct hit to someones wallet. Punishing someone on payout isnt going to stop someone who comes in purely to troll. But taking money away from them directly? Yes.

Faction Warfare Army successfully did something?

On another note, the problem is that in New Eden, people get paid even for failing a contract as well, or for completely going against the contract in this case, so yeah...

At least Faction Warfare Army finally embraced the fact that they are only good at one thing: Dying.

yeh then we kick'd ass after with 5 wins in a row

That whole "welcome to new eden" thing is always inappropriately used. Yes new eden allows griefing and backstabbing, but the point is to mimic the real world. You CAN commit insurance fraud, but you have to be aware of the potential consequences of your action.

All griefing in this game must have some form of consequence that makes sense within the context of that situation. Surely the Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar or Amarr would blacklist you from fighting for them if you caused them to consistently lose battles. This is a game though so that would be extreme, I think removing isk from a persons account is a good idea.

In battles where you are contracted by NPC organizations, there should be direct game mechanic enforced penalties for suiciding or teamkilling and intentionally causing loss. This would be in line with what would probably happen in the in game universe.

In battles where you are contracted by your corp, you can awox all you want because the consequences come directly from your corporation/other players. People will trust you less. (Though corporations should have measures to prevent awoxing as any big real life corporation would try and prevent corporate sabotage.)

Essentially I am saying that, negative actions should have consequences in game that make sense just like negative actions have consequences in real life. These consequences should make sense in the specific context that the griefing/backstabbing/negative action takes place.

"Welcome to New Eden" doesn't mean "lol I can do wahtevar I want without consequences"

Have sent pictures to CCP when they have done this before.
I even posted the response here at the forums? Got a warning buy CCP for that.

So without saying what they did respond I give you this tip; if you c that corp having squads on both sides
JUST LEVE

Now figure out the rest buy your self