If that slows it down then I'd be all for it. I forgot about the environments themselves completely. Maybe even making the respawn from a death like this much longer than a normal respawn would help.

I like this suggestion a lot. Could you clarify exactly how to do this? When I first read this I thought that maybe you meant something like along with the -50 wp there would be a -X ISK. I'm thinking now that maybe taking it out of the ISK earned might be good too.

A full squad of Factional Warfare Army successfully depleted 100+ of our team's clones yesterday in a FW match. We almost managed to clone the enemy before our teammates lost the game for us but unfortunately killing proto suits is harder than detonating REs at your own feet. My phone was dead so I do not have a screen shot for those who are sure to post "pics or it didn't happen", but I'm sure this wasn't the first time a random squad thought this was funny.

My question to CCP: Are changes in penalties for sabotage (team killing/suidice/etc.) being considered for FW?

I suggest that the same penalty for harming other teammates are applied to every individual without any "forgive/punish" option. If you kill yourself 4 times, you're out. If you cause yourself 5,000 (or whatever the figure is) damage, you're out.

Thoughts?

Did you know that if you stand on top of the null cannon, it will blow you off the top when it fires, killing you instantly. You could then punish it for friendly fire. Would it be possible to get a null cannon kicked from Faction Warfare?

This is a good point. From an immersion standpoint it does makes sense that our employers would want to limit suicides in the same way they limit TKs.

I'd be tempted to ignore the damage limit and just count suicides.

I mean a direct hit to someones wallet. Punishing someone on payout isnt going to stop someone who comes in purely to troll. But taking money away from them directly? Yes.

Faction Warfare Army successfully did something?

On another note, the problem is that in New Eden, people get paid even for failing a contract as well, or for completely going against the contract in this case, so yeah...

At least Faction Warfare Army finally embraced the fact that they are only good at one thing: Dying.

yeh then we kick'd ass after with 5 wins in a row

That whole "welcome to new eden" thing is always inappropriately used. Yes new eden allows griefing and backstabbing, but the point is to mimic the real world. You CAN commit insurance fraud, but you have to be aware of the potential consequences of your action.

All griefing in this game must have some form of consequence that makes sense within the context of that situation. Surely the Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar or Amarr would blacklist you from fighting for them if you caused them to consistently lose battles. This is a game though so that would be extreme, I think removing isk from a persons account is a good idea.

In battles where you are contracted by NPC organizations, there should be direct game mechanic enforced penalties for suiciding or teamkilling and intentionally causing loss. This would be in line with what would probably happen in the in game universe.

In battles where you are contracted by your corp, you can awox all you want because the consequences come directly from your corporation/other players. People will trust you less. (Though corporations should have measures to prevent awoxing as any big real life corporation would try and prevent corporate sabotage.)

Essentially I am saying that, negative actions should have consequences in game that make sense just like negative actions have consequences in real life. These consequences should make sense in the specific context that the griefing/backstabbing/negative action takes place.

"Welcome to New Eden" doesn't mean "lol I can do wahtevar I want without consequences"

Have sent pictures to CCP when they have done this before.
I even posted the response here at the forums? Got a warning buy CCP for that.

So without saying what they did respond I give you this tip; if you c that corp having squads on both sides
JUST LEVE

Now figure out the rest buy your self