I am rich because I earned my ISK.

Not a problem. There is always going to be some whom are space rich and it should stay that way. We are not communist here and we shouldn't be trying to take people's ISK to make it fair.

if income tax works in real economy, why not incorporate it in the dust economy... i'm not saying take away their money cuz they obviously earned it... just reduce the revenue they make per match on a tier-based system that factors in their net worth... just a suggestion cuz i don't really care but other peeps do...

While we don't "take people's ISK" persay, the game can, and should, add large ISK sinks for the wealthy to put their money into. This can be anything from suits and vehicles to completely not-gear related ways to spend money. The player market should help bleed some off, as AUR items will be able to be bought from other players for ISK. Imagine how much ISK one might have to pay to buy a 30-day booster from another player.

For corps/alliances who, thanks to district locking, and PC being horrible, have the money, I almost wondered if CCP should sell that "name a planet" reward they gave away for one tournament. Offer some of those corps the one time option to no longer be space rich in exchange for leaving a permanent mark on the New Eden landscape.

Not a problem. There is always going to be some whom are space rich and it should stay that way. We are not communist here and we shouldn't be trying to take people's ISK to make it fair.

There already is an income tax in DUST. It is up to your corporation how much to charge.

Weird. My post disappeared.

Anyway, I'd imagine that all of this stuff is going to balance out whenever we get around to having PC assets like MCCs and Installations being added to the check-list of things to buy for a battle.

http://youtu.be/rKtYqWBR7h0?t=1m3s

If district locking wasn't a factor and we had to buy these things, PC ISK Generation wouldn't even be brought up on the forums

Yes we are. Both the means of production and the currency is completely controlled by the central planners, CCP. They create it out of thin air with no ties to any stable metric, so we have hyperinflation and inequal distribution not tied to "productivity". There are no market mechanisms in place, there are only centrally planned payouts.

I kinda assume FW is ISK-free for that reason. Really though, it's impossible to balance the ludicrous wealth of the moneyed Dust-vet-elite against a new player.

A new player doesn't even have the money to afford to skill into a weapon by default before being kicked out of the academy and getting pub-stomped. In contrast, anyone that played even intermittently since launch probably had more ISK than they had things to spend it on (excepting some vehicle people). Part of that is because the launch-isk-refund would've given everyone market value for all the non-officer gear people had sitting around that they had no means of selling and no use for.

You can't inflate costs of items without inserting a huge gulf for new players (and it's unrealistic to expect complete strangers to magic their way into a corp for financial support out of the gate). It's possible that prices need to be adjusted, mind you.

If pub matches had gear restrictions (say STD/MLT suits/weapons/modules only), then it would keep the costs down there. The problem there is that the player-base is already small, and std AV can't touch vehicles as-is. That, and it means that FW becomes the default proto-stomping ground and it's already very lop-sided between factions.

You could theoretically have gear-tier restrictions by security status. High-sec bans weapons/gear better than STD. Low-sec bans weapons/gear better than ADV. All gear is allowed in Null-sec. This is vaguely equivalent to the EVE universe in the sense of various weapons and ships not being allowed in high-security space. That's what the "security" is about after all. However, I don't know if the playerbase is large enough for that to be practical.

I think the player market will wind up being interesting, but I'm concerned about player-manufacturing of goods being a completely EVE-side function. It seems like it would necessarily be a large limit on Dust players, making us second-class citizens in the universe that are completely beholden to EVE players. I'd prefer that Dust players actually have direct access to production, through some means or another. Whether that means we control mining operations in PC, rent out factory space, or have to build manufacturing skill trees... it seems preferable than being slaves to the whims of EVE players.

ITT, DUST's 1%.

OCCUPY JITA

The amount isn't the issue, it's the virtually risk-free passive PC income generation via district-locking. People who fight for and defend their districts or have been playing at a high level for a year plus will be and should be "space rich" because that's earned.

The several billion ISK a day being generated by corps like Nyain San who don't expend any real effort to keep them, on the other hand....

@Vulcanus
You can blame PC mechanics for the massive wealth in game currently. 10-14 million a day/district in PC. Its worse with game breaking district locking that was a staple in PC as soon as people were "afraid" to defend their territory. Its a WIN button unfortunately. People can never be removed from their districts and they still make income.

PC currently produces ~3 Billion isk a DAY.

I have been playing Dust for over a year running ADV gear and have excess of 100mil in my bank that came from public matches alone. But that pales in comparison to the risk free isk generation in PC.

As far a running prototype. I don't really mind them running prototype, it lets me make more isk in public matches AND gives me a challenge. The problem comes from stomping on new guys that leave the game because the insurmountable climb they have to make.

I think the player market will forever be broken due to the issues with PC. It likely wont stabilize for years. If the cost of gear/assets starts to climb, the vets will have no problems paying for it, while keeping it even more difficult for new people to "break in"

I don't think there's enough in circulation. And I'm guilty of being part of the problem. I can't help but run cheap effective fits.
I'm one of those who can count their isk in the hundreds of millions, but I still only run a proto suit literally 5-or-so times a day.

As I understand it, more proto on the field means bigger payouts, so spending more means receiving more.
But until some realistic player market options open up to me, I'll be Smaug-ing it up to my heart's content.

One thing I'll dish out isk for: An Officer Heavy Laser.
I'd spend every last penny on that shizzle.

There already is an income tax in DUST. It is up to your corporation how much to charge.

Hippie! We have trickle down JITAnomics in this game and it works just fine. Why, in FW and PC you get the very equipment your rich enemies were using against you.

Sure, that red dot was using a full proto fit. Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps and shoot him in the face. Then wait for the random equipment distributor to give you some of his stuff.

A rising tide lifts all spaceships, donchaknow.

Indeed. Even Eve's vaunted "simulated free-market" is only partially free. NPC sell orders appear in all stations in a set price to normalize market prices for pretty much everything. When Dust has peer2peer marketplace I expect most of the buy/sell orders to be inserted by CCP themselves.

There are people in EVE whom could afford to lose a titan and it would only be a mild inconvenience. I can afford to run full proto almost indefinitely ( i don't but you get the idea). Money isn't an issue for everyone, welcome to capitalism.

Indeed. Even Eve's vaunted "simulated free-market" is only partially free. NPC sell orders appear in all stations in a set price to normalize market prices for pretty much everything. When Dust has peer2peer marketplace I expect most of the buy/sell orders to be inserted by CCP themselves.

There are probably only a handful of people in eve that could afford to lose Titans in eve like people lose protosuits in DUST. Even then that would bleed them dry pretty quickly. Even the top 1% of eve players.

In EVE 90% of the vets still have to manage incomes. In dust we have players that have ground out hundreds of millions of isk through regular pub battles. That's fair. That's enough to run proto a lot if they so chose but it will run out eventually. The main problem is the money PC has brought in. Those corps CAN run and lose proto with absolutely no regard.

I don't know how to make the system better but I do know if and when we get eve industry in dust - price and demand will set the prices and the way people burn through proto suits at the minute, they will be millions if not 10`s of millions each proto suit after a few months. Then when no regular pub player can really afford them the tears will flow.

Is that possibly the end goal!? Make it so PC is the only source of income rich enough to fund proto?

Yes we are. Both the means of production and the currency is completely controlled by the central planners, CCP. They create it out of thin air with no ties to any stable metric, so we have hyperinflation and inequal distribution not tied to "productivity". There are no market mechanisms in place, there are only centrally planned payouts.