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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:00:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Deltahawk Durango wrote:if income tax works in real economy, why not incorporate it in the dust economy... i'm not saying take away their money cuz they obviously earned it... just reduce the revenue they make per match on a tier-based system that factors in their net worth... just a suggestion cuz i don't really care but other peeps do... There already is an income tax in DUST. It is up to your corporation how much to charge.
that's not away from the economy and the circulation.
OP's talking about isk sinks which make isk disappear.
Masochism L5.
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1074
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:01:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Ayures II wrote:ITT, DUST's 1%.
OCCUPY JITA Hippie! We have trickle down JITAnomics in this game and it works just fine. Why, in FW and PC you get the very equipment your rich enemies were using against you. Sure, that red dot was using a full proto fit. Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps and shoot him in the face. Then wait for the random equipment distributor to give you some of his stuff. A rising tide lifts all spaceships, donchaknow.
Nice Sarah Palin lol
MAG ~ Raven
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1008
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:02:00 -
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Denn Maell wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Not a problem. There is always going to be some whom are space rich and it should stay that way. We are not communist here and we shouldn't be trying to take people's ISK to make it fair. Yes we are. Both the means of production and the currency is completely controlled by the central planners, CCP. They create it out of thin air with no ties to any stable metric, so we have hyperinflation and inequal distribution not tied to "productivity". There are no market mechanisms in place, there are only centrally planned payouts. Indeed. Even Eve's vaunted "simulated free-market" is only partially free. NPC sell orders appear in all stations in a set price to normalize market prices for pretty much everything. When Dust has peer2peer marketplace I expect most of the buy/sell orders to be inserted by CCP themselves.
While I expect your Dust prediction to be true, your claim about Eve NPC market orders covering everything is very incorrect.
Masochism L5.
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:11:00 -
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Callidus Vanus wrote:There are people in EVE whom could afford to lose a titan and it would only be a mild inconvenience. I can afford to run full proto almost indefinitely ( i don't but you get the idea). Money isn't an issue for everyone, welcome to capitalism.
There are probably only a handful of people in eve that could afford to lose Titans in eve like people lose protosuits in DUST. Even then that would bleed them dry pretty quickly. Even the top 1% of eve players.
In EVE 90% of the vets still have to manage incomes. In dust we have players that have ground out hundreds of millions of isk through regular pub battles. That's fair. That's enough to run proto a lot if they so chose but it will run out eventually. The main problem is the money PC has brought in. Those corps CAN run and lose proto with absolutely no regard.
I don't know how to make the system better but I do know if and when we get eve industry in dust - price and demand will set the prices and the way people burn through proto suits at the minute, they will be millions if not 10`s of millions each proto suit after a few months. Then when no regular pub player can really afford them the tears will flow.
Is that possibly the end goal!? Make it so PC is the only source of income rich enough to fund proto? |
Cruor Abominare
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:19:00 -
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Denn Maell wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Not a problem. There is always going to be some whom are space rich and it should stay that way. We are not communist here and we shouldn't be trying to take people's ISK to make it fair. Yes we are. Both the means of production and the currency is completely controlled by the central planners, CCP. They create it out of thin air with no ties to any stable metric, so we have hyperinflation and inequal distribution not tied to "productivity". There are no market mechanisms in place, there are only centrally planned payouts. Indeed. Even Eve's vaunted "simulated free-market" is only partially free. NPC sell orders appear in all stations in a set price to normalize market prices for pretty much everything. When Dust has peer2peer marketplace I expect most of the buy/sell orders to be inserted by CCP themselves.
This is usual bullshit spewed by ignorant players.
Eve NPC buy and sell orders largely only exist for random junk that doesnt have a use in game(currently). Sometimes new items are seeded temporally in order to get the market off the ground as the game has progressed more items have been taken off of the seeding list and found their way to being player made.
Theres only a handful of items even usable that are still seeded namely Planetary Command Centers which are used to start a PI operation on a planet.
Closest thing to seeded items are item turn ins where you trade an item, money, and lp in to get the faction equivalent. (no idea why dust didn't implement yet) |
Scott Knight
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:21:00 -
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The real issue seems to come from PC matches where some people are literally making 80 million a day. I mean if you make 80m a day, you could die like 40 times a day in full proto gear (at 200,000 each) and still make ISK from your matches. So yes, there is a problem with ISK, but it stems from PC matches, not from regular play. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:22:00 -
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It is to easy to gain ISK at the moment, PC is such a giant ISK faucet with no where to really dump the ISK.
Buying EVE CE codes for Dust ISK
Corp services
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Cruor Abominare
Horizons' Edge
95
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:23:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:Callidus Vanus wrote:There are people in EVE whom could afford to lose a titan and it would only be a mild inconvenience. I can afford to run full proto almost indefinitely ( i don't but you get the idea). Money isn't an issue for everyone, welcome to capitalism. There are probably only a handful of people in eve that could afford to lose Titans in eve like people lose protosuits in DUST. Even then that would bleed them dry pretty quickly. Even the top 1% of eve players. In EVE 90% of the vets still have to manage incomes. In dust we have players that have ground out hundreds of millions of isk through regular pub battles. That's fair. That's enough to run proto a lot if they so chose but it will run out eventually. The main problem is the money PC has brought in. Those corps CAN run and lose proto with absolutely no regard. I don't know how to make the system better but I do know if and when we get eve industry in dust - price and demand will set the prices and the way people burn through proto suits at the minute, they will be millions if not 10`s of millions each proto suit after a few months. Then when no regular pub player can really afford them the tears will flow. Is that possibly the end goal!? Make it so PC is the only source of income rich enough to fund proto?
Theres quite a few people that toss titans isk around for lulz. You just don't associate with them. Managing isk is for baddies who cant grasp the game mechanics. You just don't associate with them because they don't hang around the vocal pubs. (My former eve alliance when playing had several players who could personally financed the recent 7.5 trillion isk losses in the last great space battle personally. |
Damian Crisis
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:36:00 -
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In the beginning it does kind of suck. I like to restock as much as possible on my higher tier stuff (which is not high at all), but it's quickly avoidable to suffering losing ISK by just using the Noob Fit.
Popularity is not an attribute of a Scout, unless it's the afterlife.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.02.04 01:25:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Not a problem. There is always going to be some whom are space rich and it should stay that way. We are not communist here and we shouldn't be trying to take people's ISK to make it fair. Yes we are. Both the means of production and the currency is completely controlled by the central planners, CCP. They create it out of thin air with no ties to any stable metric, so we have hyperinflation and inequal distribution not tied to "productivity". There are no market mechanisms in place, there are only centrally planned payouts.
Yes, I was meaning wealth management and redistribution. You are correct on the supply/demand part.
They need to open up player trading and let us blow our money for a while or the gap will be too large to over come.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
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