DUST Search - Why do I always see Minmatar Logistics armor tanking?

I-Shayz-I wrote:

I'm not saying minmatar logi should shield tank...I'm just confused why I never see any proto minmatar logistics with 250 or 330 shields (2 and 3 shield extenders respectively). They almost always are using 0 extenders.

I guess what I'm wondering is why I never see anyone running 250/600 or 330/520. Having over a third of your health able to be recharged quickly, and using one slot for a dampener/armor rep has to be the best fitting possible. You stay at a speed of about 6.8 sprint which is plenty mobile for a minmatar, and you still have a very large EHP.

Not to mention you are a LOGI, I mean, why the heck are all of the support logistics running around being armor tanked? I wasn't talking about Slayer logi's here...No one reps the logi, so why are you making it hard on yourself by making your armor very slow to regen? And again, WHAT ARE YOU PUTTING IN YOUR HIGH SLOTS? Damage mods on a support logi, even if they're better than extenders, makes NO SENSE.

Do people not use logic?

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I-Shayz-I I-----I 2157	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:07:00 - [1] - Quote Like srsly wtf. I hardly ever see them using shields, it's always something like 100ish shields with 671 armor. What, is everyone who uses minmatar logistics running 4 damage mods in their high slots? Not only that, but the speed penalty from FOUR plates completely diminishes the Minmatar's inherent agility. You're doing it wrong. Go be a gallente if you want to do that, you'll be much more effective that way. I'm mostly curious about the high slots though. I mean, why aren't you using shield extenders? Do they take up too much fitting space? Does having more than 2 damage mods really give you that much of a bonus? Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Glitch116 On The Brink CRONOS. 40	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:10:00 - [2] - Quote the reason they do that is 90 base shields scouts have more then that even with max skills on a proto with 4 extenders is only going to get you about 400 shields that takes a lot of skills to do that where as you can get the same amount on an adv suit by using lower skilled armor mods minnie shield logis are only possible at top end level and even then armor can far surpass them I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!! deal with it
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1935	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:11:00 - [3] - Quote Agility? Autoaim negates that. Suit is pretty versatile, but weak as hell when you fit for shields. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2802	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:11:00 - [4] - Quote My logi fit is shield tanked Adv Minlogi, 2x complex extenders, one basic shield energizer, 3x enhanced shield regulators. But to answer your question, because my fit gets shredded by .25s of sustained fire from any full-auto weapon, the large buffer given by plates is far more useful than kincats or shorter shield recharge delay. Not enough module choices, methinks. Shield Recommendations
GRIM GEAR The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 185	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:19:00 - [5] - Quote I have seen a lot of Caldari logi's with over 600 armor and only 200 shields. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 386	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:20:00 - [6] - Quote Through deep analysis of this game, i have obtained the following mathematical formula--Armor>Shields Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4334	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:21:00 - [7] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Like srsly wtf. I hardly ever see them using shields, it's always something like 100ish shields with 671 armor. What, is everyone who uses minmatar logistics running 4 damage mods in their high slots? Not only that, but the speed penalty from FOUR plates completely diminishes the Minmatar's inherent agility. You're doing it wrong. Go be a gallente if you want to do that, you'll be much more effective that way. I'm mostly curious about the high slots though. I mean, why aren't you using shield extenders? Do they take up too much fitting space? Does having more than 2 damage mods really give you that much of a bonus? Because armor plates> Shields extenders. Is not too hard. AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG \| YOU EITHER LOVE BACON OR YOU ARE WRONG
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 165	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:21:00 - [8] - Quote Min Logi is my only proto suit Lets take a second and consider the meta game here buddy With the introduction of aim assist, speed tanking is essentially worthless. People get killed now because they didn't duck behind a corner fast enough. Todays weapons can dish 700dmg+ in just a few seconds ( RR, CR, I'm looking at you) If you are arrogant enough to use your low slots for kin cats or other speed mods you pretty much deserve to be dead. I would rather not die from getting hit by 4 - 5 RR bullets then run to that objective just a bit faster. Wouldn't you? With all my high slots using complex shield extenders I would only have about 400 shield. Whats that gonna do to keep my from dying? You can't do your job if you're dead. Minmatar have 4 highs and 4 lows because they are meant to be the most versatile suit in the game. Minmatar are known for making anything work with a bit of space ductape and a bit of ingenuity. Their countless years of enslavement and oppression from the Amarrians forced them to think outside the box. Doing it wrong? Lol. Wake up my friend this isint open beta anymore.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 648	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:23:00 - [9] - Quote TTK, Armour provides the most HP, People don't like dying... etc. Being on the front lines as a low eHP logi, trying to keep people alive and in battle is not the easiest of tasks. Stacking plates makes repping and such easier in the heat of combat. And after all, I can't do much if I am dead.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 480	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:27:00 - [10] - Quote it's because you save CPU/PG by not running complex shields compard to adv or basic plates and get better quality equipment. it's as simple as it gets A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

Glitch116 On The Brink CRONOS. 40	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:39:00 - [11] - Quote also if you are a logi chances are you have rep hives so armor tanking lets you get the most out of your own hives I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!! deal with it
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1752	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:01:00 - [12] - Quote To be effective in combat, its either plates or dampeneres. The rest of the low slot modules are merely fluff for morons... On my Caldari Assault With 3 extenders, a proto Energizer and 2 complex regulators you get something like: 486 Shields a delay of about 2,5 sec/ 4 sec and a rep speed of 52 per second. In other Words: you'll get those almost 500 Shields back in a little over 10 seconds. Guess what? I run 2 basic plates and an allotek hive instead. Going from 150 to 337 armor outweights by far the extra 100 or so Shields I'll get back faster due to using 2 regulators.... Basic armor plates = most OP thing in Dust. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 945	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:03:00 - [13] - Quote because damage mods are worth more then shield extenders
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 389	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:04:00 - [14] - Quote click the link in my sig! Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4335	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:05:00 - [15] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: because damage mods are worth more then shield extenders And are in the highslots. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 843	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:06:00 - [16] - Quote Heck, I hardly ever see any Caldari suit shield tanking for that matter. Shields are forced to use proto type mods to compete with militia armor. Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 3 Gêå1; Other DS: 31 Gêå2; Tanks: 33 Gêå2 2/2
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1720	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:08:00 - [17] - Quote But everything melts through armor faster than shield. Even the scrambler rifle, which is supposed to have an advantage against shield. No sense losing so much mobility for a "buffer" that's easier to take out than shield. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Glitch116 On The Brink CRONOS. 40	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:38:00 - [18] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: But everything melts through armor faster than shield. Even the scrambler rifle, which is supposed to have an advantage against shield. No sense losing so much mobility for a "buffer" that's easier to take out than shield. yeah but when that buffer can easly be 100 or more hp then shields it does I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!! deal with it
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2159	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:54:00 - [19] - Quote I'm not saying minmatar logi should shield tank...I'm just confused why I never see any proto minmatar logistics with 250 or 330 shields (2 and 3 shield extenders respectively). They almost always are using 0 extenders. I guess what I'm wondering is why I never see anyone running 250/600 or 330/520. Having over a third of your health able to be recharged quickly, and using one slot for a dampener/armor rep has to be the best fitting possible. You stay at a speed of about 6.8 sprint which is plenty mobile for a minmatar, and you still have a very large EHP. Not to mention you are a LOGI, I mean, why the heck are all of the support logistics running around being armor tanked? I wasn't talking about Slayer logi's here...No one reps the logi, so why are you making it hard on yourself by making your armor very slow to regen? And again, WHAT ARE YOU PUTTING IN YOUR HIGH SLOTS? Damage mods on a support logi, even if they're better than extenders, makes NO SENSE. Do people not use logic? Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 8875	Posted - 2014.02.03 07:14:00 - [20] - Quote It's because they have an inherent 5 HP/s which allows them to forgo a repper completely and just stack more plates for armour, and then use things like triage hives. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven

Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1002	Posted - 2014.02.03 07:20:00 - [21] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I'm not saying minmatar logi should shield tank...I'm just confused why I never see any proto minmatar logistics with 250 or 330 shields (2 and 3 shield extenders respectively). They almost always are using 0 extenders. I guess what I'm wondering is why I never see anyone running 250/600 or 330/520. Having over a third of your health able to be recharged quickly, and using one slot for a dampener/armor rep has to be the best fitting possible. You stay at a speed of about 6.8 sprint which is plenty mobile for a minmatar, and you still have a very large EHP. Not to mention you are a LOGI, I mean, why the heck are all of the support logistics running around being armor tanked? I wasn't talking about Slayer logi's here...No one reps the logi, so why are you making it hard on yourself by making your armor very slow to regen? And again, WHAT ARE YOU PUTTING IN YOUR HIGH SLOTS? Damage mods on a support logi, even if they're better than extenders, makes NO SENSE. Do people not use logic? Pointless thread. This seems like you are just pushing your own opinion on this. If I armor tank, I armor tank because I'm following a heavy so I don't need the speed. I need the survivability which shield extenders just can't provide enough. Repairing hives ftw. Also I have proto min logi fit with very little overall ehp because I need to be fast etc. You just can't dictate what people SHOULD do with min logi just because you feel like it's stupid. Which it is not. Oh yeah, I also shield tank. Different fits for different situations, no? Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 70	Posted - 2014.02.03 07:22:00 - [22] - Quote Passive Armor Rep Bonus /thread
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2159	Posted - 2014.02.03 07:53:00 - [23] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Pointless thread. This seems like you are just pushing your own opinion on this. Different fits for different situations, no? Of course not. I admire diversity and the fact that the minmatar get to have such veratile slot layouts. However, the point of this thread was to ask why I ALWAYS see minmatar logistics armor tanking and what they're doing with their high slots. Are they just empty? I see no variety ever. Players that I know to be logibros or full on support logistics always tanking armor. I'm talking 90% of the time I see a prototype minmatar logi. 5% they're maxed out dual tanking (400/700), and the other 5% is some sort of variant like a hacker fit or a pure shield tanked suit. I guess mostly I never see anyone that fits their suits the same way I do, and I don't understand how ONLY armor tanking like that is even a good idea on a minmatar suit when 9/10 I always win against players that do this while playing support. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 73	Posted - 2014.02.03 08:03:00 - [24] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Pointless thread. This seems like you are just pushing your own opinion on this. Different fits for different situations, no? Of course not. I admire diversity and the fact that the minmatar get to have such veratile slot layouts. However, the point of this thread was to ask why I ALWAYS see minmatar logistics armor tanking and what they're doing with their high slots. Are they just empty? I see no variety ever. Players that I know to be logibros or full on support logistics always tanking armor. I'm talking 90% of the time I see a prototype minmatar logi. 5% they're maxed out dual tanking (400/700), and the other 5% is some sort of variant like a hacker fit or a pure shield tanked suit. Honestly, I ****** up when I picked Min Logi. When I first started dust, Minmatar was my favorite race. Which is why I am still to this day Minmatar. I also thought I had to skill into the Starter Fit, which is why I am still to this day using an Assault Rifle. Then when I realized I had to figure out how to stop dying all the time, armor is the best way to give the Min Logi more HP. Will I have max sprint speed and stamina on my Min Logi some day? Possibly. But I'm going to correct my mistakes by skilling into Assault or Heavy first.
rebecca watson OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 123	Posted - 2014.02.03 08:05:00 - [25] - Quote I-Shayz-I youre a good player and I luvz your vids, but I'm a little confused here. I've been proto Mini Logi since the day- After the armor and hit-detection changes there was a meta-shift with tank mods vs. the utility of the suit. Armor > Shield Damage > Tank While there are dedicated logis, forever pair-bonded to their heavy breatheren, many logis find that being able to cut down an enemy approaching from a team's blind spot is just as effective at reducing incoming damage as having your gun stowed and reptool out. There are 3 loadouts as far as im concerned: Full tank, for logi survivability, and dedicated logi support. Hybrid tank, with damage mods in highs, keeping the very effective armor HP and adding DPS from your gun to help out team on top of your reps Running the suit as assault (inb4 hate) and using 50/50 shield/dmg mods in the highs, and some armor plates and DAMPS in the lows...... because that is what counts now. Using your equip slots for scanners, rep hives, whatever. Epilogue: I personally like running a solo suit with multiple uplinks, so that i can provide a ring of spawn points for my squad, while still being combat effective.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1497	Posted - 2014.02.03 08:21:00 - [26] - Quote Hey, I don't run shields but I also don't run damage mods. I happen to run Armor because it fits better with my view of the ideal squad comp. Not all of us do things the way the little box dwellers think it should be done. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2160	Posted - 2014.02.03 08:27:00 - [27] - Quote rebecca watson wrote: While there are dedicated logis, forever pair-bonded to their heavy breatheren, many logis find that being able to cut down an enemy approaching from a team's blind spot is just as effective at reducing incoming damage as having your gun stowed and reptool out. I understand this logic, but I guess maybe I need to make a video about the "buffer" I'm talking about. Having extra shields instead of a damage mod means that your passive armor reps need to do less work, and that your nanohives waste less nanites, assuming you take the same amount of damage. For instance, you take 500 damage and on a 300/500 suit you only dip 200 into your armor. 20 seconds later you have recovered 400 ehp and are almost at full health again. If you have a 100/700 setup, you end up with 300 armor left, and 20 seconds later you've only recovered 200 ehp, unless you waste a nanohive for yourself. Yeah sure, if you can get the sneak on the enemy and prevent that damage from occuring, the damage setup is better, but if you are snuck up on, the armor suit is at a huge disadvantage. Your only option is to return fire, as you're too slow to run away, and you have to stay in one place to recover health with a nanohive. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2160	Posted - 2014.02.03 08:30:00 - [28] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Hey, I don't run shields but I also don't run damage mods. I happen to run Armor because it fits better with my view of the ideal squad comp. Not all of us do things the way the little box dwellers think it should be done. What do you run then? Seriously, this is what I'm so desperate to try and figure out. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1533	Posted - 2014.02.03 09:35:00 - [29] - Quote I have 300/300 on my ADV min logi, but i use it for RRR. The other fittings i have don't have plates at all, of course i try to avoid fights when i wear them and i use them for their main purpose (hacking, placing RE, stuff like that). But i'm an exception, i don't tank HP, i like optionals XD 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 132	Posted - 2014.02.03 09:45:00 - [30] - Quote i would run shields exclusively if i could fit them passively like a drake or myrmidon.



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