You're acting like Capital Aq isn't an already established corp - they don't need to be piggy backed or held hands - they barely needs ringers and there wallet isn't empty. IF anything they said here is true - AE won't be doing anything to help them at all other then giving them a good time in there alliance. So which is it - are you buddies - or are they your pet project?

I thought when you guys said you were going to become independent not hop on the bandwagon and go Renegade Alliance

Should've seen that coming to be honest

Why care?

I probably care about as much as you do about this reply - which is less the mild at best.

I just like to point things out. ^_^

Why not care?

Pointing out the obvious it seems. You must have some John Madden in you

uhm, I know you're trying to make a point, but it weird. I'm obviously pointing something out... for everyone to see... so why would I not want... people to see it?

If it's 'obvious' then that's cool - that's how it goes. All it means is i didn't realize how obvious it is. idk where this rant of yours came from.

Hey yo true story!!! So I was low on isk and wanted a cheap drink. I decided I'd go down to the Ancient Exiles. pub. It was a lively scene. You had your casual customers theyre having a good time most them talking to themselves. Kujo was sitting up on the balcony in the dark trying to play the boss that he is. Arirana was everywhere at once hitting on every guy in the pub. Talking about how she had fast arm movements, knew how to glitch an entire map. Djinn Ramp was trying to talk to anyone or rather get everyones attention by talkin about how good he was. Reminded me of a needy dog really. Marauder being the small guy that he is was trying to watch Hen....anime in the anime lounge which was really awesome. At the same time trying to fight everybody because he was so smashed. Also for some strange reason. This vagheitan guy was sitting way up on the rafters with his nanos all set up railrifle in hand trying to call everybody out to a fight. At the same time Djinn soul and Kalente were laughin so hard at this dude because he wouldnt come down for a fight. Then all of a sudden. I see Kujo get up and walk out the backdoor followed by Munson who had a leash on being dragged by Kujo. Shepard and a couple other directors also followed. I was curious so I go out into the back alley peek around the corner and...they were all...ugh...nvm. Anyways they all get up from their knees and Kujo says "Welcome to the family. That felt good." Kujo heads to the bar and I overheard his conversation with the bartender. Kujo says " I seriously didnt want them hear but, it felt good, so they can stay." Thats how capital joined the RA.

Lulz. See? We're will to go the full mile. All STB wanted was handjobs. (Quick wanted a footjob)

Sorry to see you guys go, CA. Always had fun squadding with you. Best of luck....Leadfoot

I cannot say anything truthfull to this statement. I don't know the details of this. Sorry

The way I see it is: ringing is fine; there is an upside and downside to ringing - - that is, getting players who may be /are individually better than your corp's members, but who are generally not as familiar with your corp's team strategies. I respect Cubs and others (even Regnyum). I think they're damn good players and do nothing wrong when it comes to 'playing the game.'

District locking, on the other hand, is an in-game exploit. While ML may not have been the first district lockers (I'm not familiar with Dust 'history'), they did district lock at a time when it was implemented as a way to avoid attacks and to accumulate Isk. That is, they exploited the system to make personal profits without risk. (I would contrast this with RA, who have now locked their districts to encourage CCP to fix (i.e., remove) this exploit of PC from the game.)

While I wish ringers did not ring for corps who district lock - - especially for the defense (when the corp has more than three times the number of clones as the attacker), I at the same time don't blame ringers for going where the Isk is. That is only natural in a game with mercenaries.

As for why CA left PD, I don't know the 'official' reason, since I'm not in CA's 'management'. However, I do know a personal reason for me to encourage CA's 'managemnt' to leave and have nothing to do with PD or its members was that during the 'war' with RA, a war which CA neither initiated nor formally endorsed (since neither ML nor STB asked CA what we thought about the groundds for the war...), there was a point in time when CA had several PC battles with NS,. Now, two of these took place at the same time. So, as you might expect, CA needed some people to help. Logically (I think logically...), we asked who we thought were at the time our 'allies' to help. Now, not only did almost no one help (two of Dethdealers' and two Poison Roses' members did help), but almost no one responded. That is, STB, ML, Thid Day, Rising Suns said absolutely nothing in alliance chat in response to our request to help with the battle. They didn't say 'hey, we're not helping because X.' So CA sent 8 people into a battle against 16 NS...

From my perspective, it seemed that someone in the alliance told everyone except CA not to help CA. This follows from the fact that CA refused to help STB when they were in a PC against AE. The reason for this was that CA's CEO (Shepherd) was not present at the time STB asked for help. Before that, Shepherd had told us not to ring against AE. Indeed, AE had been a supportful friend of CA in this game for several months. So to help fight them because of something going on with STB - - something which, I should note, STB felt was not for CA to know - - this appeared silly. But either way, no member of CA was willing to contradict what our CEO told us. And since no one from STB or ML had discussed the 'war' with Shepherd, he never had a chance to reconsider his position about AE (a point which is not to imply he would have changed his mind). So, as we told STB, we could not ring against AE. And, because of this, it seems, STB (and ML) did not want to help CA with NS.

But I'm not upset by the fact that almost no one in our past alliance helped. Chances are we would've lost either way. (I mean, really, how much help could a corp/alliance who needs a non-alliance corp to do all their work for them be.) Rather, I'm upset that no one said they wouldn't help and why. I think it's silly to play a game with a group of people who don't have enough common courtesy to simply explain when they will or will not help with what some might consider was at one time the most competitive aspect of the game.

So, for me, leaving STB was about being independent to discover who in this game actually is respectful enough to play the game fairly (i.e., not lock districts to profit wihout risk), tell us when they can and cannot help, and show some general respect for us as other players of this game. RA was an obvious choice. And I'm glad we applied and that they've accepted us.

For me, all this is simple and doesn't really warrant such an 'explanation.' But if you want to point the finger at supposed hypocrites, I'd suggest pointing it at those who say they're the best, who say they have integrity and are game players, etc., but yet exploit the game, lock their districts, talk about how small corps 'have to' lock them (even though they are in the top three largest corps in the game), claim not to be elitists, yet for whatever reason think having more isk is a good thing... I mean doesn't it determine who are the better players? I'd point it at those who criticize other corps for not having the best players and yet who ring an ENTIRE TEAM of another corp in order to win their battles.

Let me just say that those to whom I'm referring here are not intended to be wholly not identifiable.

Weccer is the new shooooooooter.

Alts on alts yo

I look at it like this. If you work at an elderly care center, but decide to call off work 30 minutes before your shift starts. Does it really surprise you if your boss fires you?

If you call for aid 30 minutes before a timer, does it really surprise you if you don't get a response? Especially if all you did was type in a chat? Mailing specific people is a far more effective way of getting attention, but if your that late in sending it then even then a response shouldn't be expected. But I already posted a big old example to this so I wont go into it again

That comparison only works in this situation because that's essentially what you did. The only difference is that you guys quit and werent fired...... Mails were sent huh? Then they were sent far too late. Regardless of what you say I know STB personally wouldn't ignore any corp in need without some reason.

Reasons include 1.) fielding for our own match, 2.) noboby read the mails that were sent. (which, in short notice situations, even if they did read them it would have/could have been to late by the time they responded).

Regardless, you guys had at least 1 day to prepare two teams for the double stacked timers you had. Possibly two. If you failed to prepare two teams ahead of time, despite knowing there was a double stacked timer coming up, then that is completely your "managements" fault.

Now I also heard rumors that part of the reason CA left is because they thought STB guys didn't like/were trash talking members of CA, and while I don't have tabs on all 300+ members of our corp I can say with confidence that everyone in our leadership, up until CA backstabbed us, liked CA and shepherd. We enjoyed working with your corporation and shepherd was a pleasure talking to. Now that you guys did back stab us some of us in leadership are just a bit disappointed because we thought our corps were allied...... we thought things were fine. But instead of talking to us about how your corp was frustrated, you just went ahead and left us. But not only did you leave, you went straight to AE. The allies to the corp that took your districts to begin with.......

Weccer is the new shooooooooter.

Alts on alts yo

Some no name from CA threatened my corp because I was ringing against them for war ravens.

I don't appreciate threats.