DUST Search - Black Eagles and Federal Marines

True Adamance wrote:

Tallen Ellecon wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Tallen Ellecon wrote:

The Federations all volunteer force is a reflection of our shared belief that personal liberty is our greatest value. Some join for the benefits simply because they do not have the means to move up any other way. Some join because are natural fighters.

Our lack of a militaristic culture means the first group will in most cases be inferior to those cultures built on loyalty and warfare. They must rely heavily on the resources, organization, and technology the Federation Military provides, but when all that is lost every person will decide for themselves if their life is worth losing, and in many cases it is not.

Then we have the second group who by choice have decided to devote their lives to warfare. In a society that does not pressure it's citizens to serve through honor alone these are some of the fiercest warriors. Even their loyalties lie not with their government, god, or any individual, but to the principles the federation is founded on.

One can argue whether an all volunteer force is inherently inferior, but having a few dedicated and devoted individuals who come by choice than a mass of brainwashed conscripts makes it easier to give more resources to each individual, and making it unnecessary to throw away lives needlessly.

With that said our diverse culture does sometimes give forth some terrible people and heinous acts, but at least we don't institutionalize it.

It is not a matter of them being inferior as soldier, but lacking a unified purpose.

No disagreement here. Inferiority in my post is in regards to motivation, not skill or power.

Skill and power are meaningless. Only that purpose you inherently serve. If your purpose is to die then take solace in fulfilling your duty.

Duty is its own reward. There is no nobler way to die for than than in the service of God.

This is why our soldiers are superior to those of the other Empires. True soldier of the Amarr are possessed of a divine purpose.

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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7885	Posted - 2014.03.06 00:38:00 - [31] - Quote ConantheCimmerian wrote: What I mean by "handing them over" is the withdraw of all Federation support in Republic space & the withdraw of Empire support in State space. Its not something to idly discuss I admit. however. I feel it would be WORTH the 100 years of political unrest for the 1000 years of stability with the Amarr. Their faith leads them to a commitment that none can match and would be the best allies for the Federation. The Minmatar are seemingly only concerned with their own ends. You could all just give up and we'd have political stability for all time. "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 711	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:08:00 - [32] - Quote Arkena WyrnsCaldari.=True Adamance wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Callidus Vanus wrote: A few years ago it was found out that the Federal Marines were murdering Caldari POW's, filming it and selling the videos on the black market under the moniker "Mort Media". Though apparently the FIO has now deleted the news article from the net. ((OOC the news article seems to have been removed or deleted)) Any alleged acts done by certain Gallente military to POWs is nothing compared to the treatment of Gallente civilians at the hands of the Caldari. True Adamance wrote: Finest huh? Rapists and Murderers I name them. The very notion of enslaving those who do not follow your beliefs is no more heinous. The Federation is a nation that wants peace and extends it's hand whenever possible in order maintain peace. So when war is forced upon us we do not hold back, we are ruthless and we remind our enemies why we are not to be messed with. I will not get into this with you but that fact that you overlook the bombardment of Caldari Prime, the crashing of a vessel into the Ishukone offices, and the mistreatment of POW offering now proof of you own only consigns me to the belief you are as fanatical as I, only more ignorant.... Similarly, you overlook the razing of an entire city, crashing a vessel into a highly populated city, both of which yielded greater death tolls. There's also the 'small' matter of certain people attempting to glass billions and billions of people. I haven't even seen the Amarr try to commit such atrocities to the Minmatar. Mistreatment of POWs? You are defending a nation which kills its own national heroes.[/quote] We Caldari did what was necessary. The crashing of our ship was to save millions at the sacrifice of a few hundred thousand. The suicide bombers in Nouvelle Rouvenor were a terrorist organization hated by both Caldari and Gallenteans. And the titan over Caldari Prime was a deterrent never meant for use. The Federation has done more devious atrocities to the Caldari for no reason such as the bombing of Caldari Prime or the Ishukone headquarters which had no tactical position at all but oppression. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4878	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:54:00 - [33] - Quote I'm content with the thought that the Gallente Military is made com completely out of volunteers, is less well funded and is smaller than the Caldari Military, but still manages to keep it on its wits end. If the Gallente ever decided to fully militarize we could annihilate the Caldari. I'am content knowing this. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9051	Posted - 2014.03.30 20:01:00 - [34] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I'm content with the thought that the Gallente Military is made com completely out of volunteers, is less well funded and is smaller than the Caldari Military, but still manages to keep it on its wits end. If the Gallente ever decided to fully militarize we could annihilate the Caldari. I'am content knowing this. That's arrogant considering every Caldari of age, male or female is a trained and competent soldier....considering thins the Caldari military forces could number very highly...... Heth's invasion of Luminaire was and example of this as 20 million Caldari military personnel secured the planet of Caldari Prime and forced the Federation into accepting the presence of a titan and supporting fleet....as well as the original fleets successful withdrawal. Volunteering is noble......but inherently flawed if the volunteer is doing so for selfish causes, as all volunteers are want to do. There is something positive to be said for those who desire and step forth to protect their country.....but if the slightest weakness of character in face of duty becomes present...... that noble deed is wholly undone. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 712	Posted - 2014.03.30 20:34:00 - [35] - Quote Well said Templar Kador. I remember the retaking of Caldari Prime the Gallentean forces gave up as soon as they saw are numbers and those that didn't felt the might of the citizens of the State. The scariest thing about a Statesmen is he cares more of the State than themselves which means they'll do what's necessary to win. A volunteer of the Federation not so much in the reg army. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1634	Posted - 2014.03.30 22:39:00 - [36] - Quote The Federations all volunteer force is a reflection of our shared belief that personal liberty is our greatest value. Some join for the benefits simply because they do not have the means to move up any other way. Some join because are natural fighters. Our lack of a militaristic culture means the first group will in most cases be inferior to those cultures built on loyalty and warfare. They must rely heavily on the resources, organization, and technology the Federation Military provides, but when all that is lost every person will decide for themselves if their life is worth losing, and in many cases it is not. Then we have the second group who by choice have decided to devote their lives to warfare. In a society that does not pressure it's citizens to serve through honor alone these are some of the fiercest warriors. Even their loyalties lie not with their government, god, or any individual, but to the principles the federation is founded on. One can argue whether an all volunteer force is inherently inferior, but having a few dedicated and devoted individuals who come by choice than a mass of brainwashed conscripts makes it easier to give more resources to each individual, and making it unnecessary to throw away lives needlessly. With that said our diverse culture does sometimes give forth some terrible people and heinous acts, but at least we don't institutionalize it. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9063	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:32:00 - [37] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: The Federations all volunteer force is a reflection of our shared belief that personal liberty is our greatest value. Some join for the benefits simply because they do not have the means to move up any other way. Some join because are natural fighters. Our lack of a militaristic culture means the first group will in most cases be inferior to those cultures built on loyalty and warfare. They must rely heavily on the resources, organization, and technology the Federation Military provides, but when all that is lost every person will decide for themselves if their life is worth losing, and in many cases it is not. Then we have the second group who by choice have decided to devote their lives to warfare. In a society that does not pressure it's citizens to serve through honor alone these are some of the fiercest warriors. Even their loyalties lie not with their government, god, or any individual, but to the principles the federation is founded on. One can argue whether an all volunteer force is inherently inferior, but having a few dedicated and devoted individuals who come by choice than a mass of brainwashed conscripts makes it easier to give more resources to each individual, and making it unnecessary to throw away lives needlessly. With that said our diverse culture does sometimes give forth some terrible people and heinous acts, but at least we don't institutionalize it. It is not a matter of them being inferior as soldier, but lacking a unified purpose. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1635	Posted - 2014.03.31 00:51:00 - [38] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The Federations all volunteer force is a reflection of our shared belief that personal liberty is our greatest value. Some join for the benefits simply because they do not have the means to move up any other way. Some join because are natural fighters. Our lack of a militaristic culture means the first group will in most cases be inferior to those cultures built on loyalty and warfare. They must rely heavily on the resources, organization, and technology the Federation Military provides, but when all that is lost every person will decide for themselves if their life is worth losing, and in many cases it is not. Then we have the second group who by choice have decided to devote their lives to warfare. In a society that does not pressure it's citizens to serve through honor alone these are some of the fiercest warriors. Even their loyalties lie not with their government, god, or any individual, but to the principles the federation is founded on. One can argue whether an all volunteer force is inherently inferior, but having a few dedicated and devoted individuals who come by choice than a mass of brainwashed conscripts makes it easier to give more resources to each individual, and making it unnecessary to throw away lives needlessly. With that said our diverse culture does sometimes give forth some terrible people and heinous acts, but at least we don't institutionalize it. It is not a matter of them being inferior as soldier, but lacking a unified purpose. No disagreement here. Inferiority in my post is in regards to motivation, not skill or power. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9067	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:00:00 - [39] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The Federations all volunteer force is a reflection of our shared belief that personal liberty is our greatest value. Some join for the benefits simply because they do not have the means to move up any other way. Some join because are natural fighters. Our lack of a militaristic culture means the first group will in most cases be inferior to those cultures built on loyalty and warfare. They must rely heavily on the resources, organization, and technology the Federation Military provides, but when all that is lost every person will decide for themselves if their life is worth losing, and in many cases it is not. Then we have the second group who by choice have decided to devote their lives to warfare. In a society that does not pressure it's citizens to serve through honor alone these are some of the fiercest warriors. Even their loyalties lie not with their government, god, or any individual, but to the principles the federation is founded on. One can argue whether an all volunteer force is inherently inferior, but having a few dedicated and devoted individuals who come by choice than a mass of brainwashed conscripts makes it easier to give more resources to each individual, and making it unnecessary to throw away lives needlessly. With that said our diverse culture does sometimes give forth some terrible people and heinous acts, but at least we don't institutionalize it. It is not a matter of them being inferior as soldier, but lacking a unified purpose. No disagreement here. Inferiority in my post is in regards to motivation, not skill or power. Skill and power are meaningless. Only that purpose you inherently serve. If your purpose is to die then take solace in fulfilling your duty. Duty is its own reward. There is no nobler way to die for than than in the service of God. This is why our soldiers are superior to those of the other Empires. True soldier of the Amarr are possessed of a divine purpose. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 716	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:38:00 - [40] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The Federations all volunteer force is a reflection of our shared belief that personal liberty is our greatest value. Some join for the benefits simply because they do not have the means to move up any other way. Some join because are natural fighters. Our lack of a militaristic culture means the first group will in most cases be inferior to those cultures built on loyalty and warfare. They must rely heavily on the resources, organization, and technology the Federation Military provides, but when all that is lost every person will decide for themselves if their life is worth losing, and in many cases it is not. Then we have the second group who by choice have decided to devote their lives to warfare. In a society that does not pressure it's citizens to serve through honor alone these are some of the fiercest warriors. Even their loyalties lie not with their government, god, or any individual, but to the principles the federation is founded on. One can argue whether an all volunteer force is inherently inferior, but having a few dedicated and devoted individuals who come by choice than a mass of brainwashed conscripts makes it easier to give more resources to each individual, and making it unnecessary to throw away lives needlessly. With that said our diverse culture does sometimes give forth some terrible people and heinous acts, but at least we don't institutionalize it. It is not a matter of them being inferior as soldier, but lacking a unified purpose. No disagreement here. Inferiority in my post is in regards to motivation, not skill or power. Skill and power are meaningless. Only that purpose you inherently serve. If your purpose is to die then take solace in fulfilling your duty. Duty is its own reward. There is no nobler way to die for than than in the service of God. This is why our soldiers are superior to those of the other Empires. True soldier of the Amarr are possessed of a divine purpose. I won't disagree with you there, but our soldiers will to fight for the betterment of the State and continue the Caldari way is great. It gives them strength and the ability to do whatever whenever. We train our soldiers from the moment they can walk. They learn to fight, they learn to think in some of the harshest environments known to man. I think the Amarr and Caldari have some of the best and most well trained forces in new eden. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals

da GAND L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 642	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:51:00 - [41] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Finest huh? Rapists and Murderers I name them. The very notion of enslaving those who do not follow your beliefs is no more heinous. The Federation is a nation that wants peace and extends it's hand whenever possible in order maintain peace. So when war is forced upon us we do not hold back, we are ruthless and we remind our enemies why we are not to be messed with.[/quote] I agree with the first half of what u said there, the Amarr are the worst around here. Religious nuts and slavers, they'll use excuses like " bringing the light to those in the darkness " when all they're doing is providing bodies for those in their hierarchy. Everyone should be able to choose what they believe in and not be property. Now for the other half I don't believe that when the Gallente say they want peace, bombarding Caldari Prime, forcing the Caldari from their home planet. Constantly saying that you're bringing freedom to the population you're fighting is a joke. I don't hate you guys but if you stand for freedom stay in your own territory and stop trying to enforce your ideals on the caldari that are stuck in your territory. The Federation should just leave the caldari alone. Don't nerf heavies, instead do This
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1639	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:52:00 - [42] - Quote Never forget Nouvelle Rouvenor. We retaliated after the destruction of an entire city. If our citizens could not be safe under the protection of the Caldari then we were going to step in to ensure their safety ourselves. Many innocents were caught in the crossfire on both sides and our governments actions at the time may have been extreme, but that is the nature of democracy. Our federation follows the will of the people it represents, not an emperor, a ceo, or elder, our people demanded blood for blood and they got it. This thread was not intended to highlight politics, it was intended to find out if anyone had a source on any good tales. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9187	Posted - 2014.04.02 03:56:00 - [43] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Never forget Nouvelle Rouvenor. We retaliated after the destruction of an entire city. If our citizens could not be safe under the protection of the Caldari then we were going to step in to ensure their safety ourselves. Many innocents were caught in the crossfire on both sides and our governments actions at the time may have been extreme, but that is the nature of democracy. Our federation follows the will of the people it represents, not an emperor, a ceo, or elder, our people demanded blood for blood and they got it. This thread was not intended to highlight politics, it was intended to find out if anyone had a source on any good tales. Indeed you went to war because of the actions of a radical group of terrorists not directly affiliated with the Caldari governing body........ "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1639	Posted - 2014.04.02 04:02:00 - [44] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Never forget Nouvelle Rouvenor. We retaliated after the destruction of an entire city. If our citizens could not be safe under the protection of the Caldari then we were going to step in to ensure their safety ourselves. Many innocents were caught in the crossfire on both sides and our governments actions at the time may have been extreme, but that is the nature of democracy. Our federation follows the will of the people it represents, not an emperor, a ceo, or elder, our people demanded blood for blood and they got it. This thread was not intended to highlight politics, it was intended to find out if anyone had a source on any good tales. Indeed you went to war because of the actions of a radical group of terrorists not directly affiliated with the Caldari governing body........ The people retaliated on who they felt was responsible, I never said they were right. Did the Caldari do no different after the Malkalen catastrophe? Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Skilfer Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 69	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:05:00 - [45] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Never forget Nouvelle Rouvenor. We retaliated after the destruction of an entire city. If our citizens could not be safe under the protection of the Caldari then we were going to step in to ensure their safety ourselves. Many innocents were caught in the crossfire on both sides and our governments actions at the time may have been extreme, but that is the nature of democracy. Our federation follows the will of the people it represents, not an emperor, a ceo, or elder, our people demanded blood for blood and they got it. This thread was not intended to highlight politics, it was intended to find out if anyone had a source on any good tales. Indeed you went to war because of the actions of a radical group of terrorists not directly affiliated with the Caldari governing body........ The people retaliated on who they felt was responsible, I never said they were right. Did the Caldari do no different after the Malkalen catastrophe? While I previously stated the individuals involved in both incidents were extrememists, that by no means makes them the same situation. While I have never agreed with how the former executor responded to it, the Malkalen Catastrophe was conducted by a high ranking official of the regular Federation Navy, in contrast with the rogue terrorist organization that caused the Nouvelle Rouvenor incident. One is a military incident, the other a police. I-RED Diplomat Veteran of Mordu's Private Trials
Templar Twelve Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 43	Posted - 2014.04.03 10:00:00 - [46] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Anybody have any links to any good tales of the Federations finest troops? Since no one has yet to answer this fully, I have taken the liberty of going through the library archives concerning these "special organisations". The Black Eagles (emblem embedded) are the Federal Intelligence service and report to the President. Their tactics, referred to as protocols, are named with the type of protocol, a symbol, and a number. The Black Eagles is reported being created in the aftermath of the Caldari invasion. Though officially titled the "Special Department of Internal Investigations and Federal Security", and carrying the sanctioned acronym of SDII, this secretive new organization nonetheless immediately became known to everyone as the Black Eagles. This moniker is most commonly associated with the SDII logo GÇô a black Gallente eagle outlined in white against a dark background GÇô but there are a fair few who proclaim the name is a direct allusion to the man chosen to lead the department, Head Senator Mentas Blaque. Blaque himself has never commented publicly on anything to do with the agency, preferring instead to let dry press releases and carefully calculated public operations do the talking for him. The Black Eagles organisation can be summed up in 3 points. Most information here have been leaked by former agents that have defected (yes, defected) from the agency: The Black Eagles have a well-equipped, highly trained paramilitary arm. Black Eagle-uniformed troops have been seen on more than one occasion conducting security sweeps in high-sensitivity public zones. They are trained in every manner of covert infiltration, spaceborne and terrestrial, as well as the use of cutting-edge weaponry and tools of the trade. Due to prohibitive selection and training their numbers are not great at present, but growing rapidly. The Black Eagles have a presence in space, though reports vary widely about the extent of their operational capacity. They are known to travel in specially commissioned dark-hulled versions of Gallente Navy staples. The exact capabilities of these vessels are unknown, but they are invariably reported to be more poweful than both their standard and Navy counterparts. Reports also unanimously agree that the Eagles possess a capsuleer contingent numbering over one hundred pilots (and presumably growing). The Black Eagles have built up a ruthless image, one that indicates the agency will go to considerable lengths to make sure its objectives are met. This is the area most sparsely commented on by former agents. With very few exceptions, defectors have completely disavowed all knowledge of the illicit activities so often attributed to the Eagles, such as torture, blackmail and kidnapping. Whether this is down to the extreme sensitivity of such subjects or the actual absence of such activities from the modus operandi remains wholly unknown. Focusing on the last point, and on the following recorded audio transcript, I would say that the Black Eagles embodies the Gallente Federation as a whole. While trying to uphold a public figure of democracy, focusing on the will of the "people", they instead work in the shadows while listening in and putting tabs on every civilian in the Federation. There have already been a fair share of defectors from the agency since its inception, people who view the Eagles' methods as violations of long-sacred Gallente ideals. To end this, I managed to get a hold of a recorded transcript from one of my many contacts, which clearly shows the brutality the Eagles possess: Recorded Audio Transcript wrote: "They make you watch it all, man. They make you watch through the eyes of the person you killed. It's all for show, really, but they do it so well. I saw the guy come in, brush his teeth, kiss his son good night... then I felt my bullet go into his skull just seconds after it shattered the window. Back when I'd shot him, you know, I didn't know anything... all I saw was a man leaning down in the spot where I'd been told he would be, then I squeezed the trigger, twice to make sure, and got the hell out of there. But they had to make me relive it all through this bullshit virtual scenario. They want you to know that you're gonna be called upon to kill innocent people, good people, Federation people, and that you have to be comfortable with doing it because it serves the greater good. Whatever the **** that's even supposed to mean." GÇöAudio transcript from "Agent Mornay," alleged Black Eagle defector Regarding the Federal Marines, I found mostly public information: "The Federal Marines have a long, proud history of serving the Gallente Federation in space and on planetary bodies. They are among the elite troops of the Federal military and typically at the forefront when the Gallente Federation goes to the extreme of intervening militarily in planetary conflicts across New Eden." And an unfinished Gallente recruitment poster for the Federal Marines. T12, out. Librarian and Keeper of the Praetorian Temple Library
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 385	Posted - 2014.04.06 07:30:00 - [47] - Quote Kazig wrote: Ermac Vesely wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: While I was once a Black Eagle doing contracts for the Federal Treasury, I got sectioned 8 for playing russian roulette with a Scrambler Pistol. PS: I won because there were 11 other people playing :P What is "russian roulette"? And what is even a "russian"? And how can you play this with a scrambler pistol? The only game that I know to play with a scrambler pistol is "How long can you hold an overheated scrambler battery without dropping it". It doesn't matter what a "russian" is, the man is obviously delusional and simply speaking nonsense. He did after all just state on an open channel that he was formerly a Black Eagle. Aren't Russians one of those damn space pirate groups that attack everyone in null-sec? The not Logic Bomb! -->We need better comms!<--
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 64	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:17:00 - [48] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Anybody have any links to any good tales of the Federations finest troops? In March this year, a few Federation Marines were seen holding a point in Southern Bosena, District 10, against the Corporate Fascist Aggression of the Caldari States. Our Federatsii troops were the finest. I was a Federal Marine before I joined the Wolves, and I still wear my badge with pride. Davai Federatsii!!!! Remember Bosena! Defeat the imperialist Amarr and the Corporate Fascist Caldari! -Dmitri I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...


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