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Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard
Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:10:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Callidus Vanus wrote:A few years ago it was found out that the Federal Marines were murdering Caldari POW's, filming it and selling the videos on the black market under the moniker "Mort Media". Though apparently the FIO has now deleted the news article from the net. ((OOC the news article seems to have been removed or deleted)) Any alleged acts done by certain Gallente military to POWs is nothing compared to the treatment of Gallente civilians at the hands of the Caldari. True Adamance wrote:Finest huh? Rapists and Murderers I name them. The very notion of enslaving those who do not follow your beliefs is no more heinous. The Federation is a nation that wants peace and extends it's hand whenever possible in order maintain peace. So when war is forced upon us we do not hold back, we are ruthless and we remind our enemies why we are not to be messed with.
We treat Pows fairly. No Pow has died unless he deserved it. We Caldari believe in honor we would die before abusing someone whom is incarcerated.
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
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Jacques Cayton II
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:08:00 -
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Arkena WyrnsCaldari.=True Adamance wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Callidus Vanus wrote:A few years ago it was found out that the Federal Marines were murdering Caldari POW's, filming it and selling the videos on the black market under the moniker "Mort Media". Though apparently the FIO has now deleted the news article from the net. ((OOC the news article seems to have been removed or deleted)) Any alleged acts done by certain Gallente military to POWs is nothing compared to the treatment of Gallente civilians at the hands of the Caldari. True Adamance wrote:Finest huh? Rapists and Murderers I name them. The very notion of enslaving those who do not follow your beliefs is no more heinous. The Federation is a nation that wants peace and extends it's hand whenever possible in order maintain peace. So when war is forced upon us we do not hold back, we are ruthless and we remind our enemies why we are not to be messed with. I will not get into this with you but that fact that you overlook the bombardment of Caldari Prime, the crashing of a vessel into the Ishukone offices, and the mistreatment of POW offering now proof of you own only consigns me to the belief you are as fanatical as I, only more ignorant....
Similarly, you overlook the razing of an entire city, crashing a vessel into a highly populated city, both of which yielded greater death tolls. There's also the 'small' matter of certain people attempting to glass billions and billions of people. I haven't even seen the Amarr try to commit such atrocities to the Minmatar.
Mistreatment of POWs? You are defending a nation which kills its own national heroes.[/quote]
We Caldari did what was necessary. The crashing of our ship was to save millions at the sacrifice of a few hundred thousand. The suicide bombers in Nouvelle Rouvenor were a terrorist organization hated by both Caldari and Gallenteans. And the titan over Caldari Prime was a deterrent never meant for use. The Federation has done more devious atrocities to the Caldari for no reason such as the bombing of Caldari Prime or the Ishukone headquarters which had no tactical position at all but oppression.
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
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Jacques Cayton II
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.03.30 20:34:00 -
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Well said Templar Kador. I remember the retaking of Caldari Prime the Gallentean forces gave up as soon as they saw are numbers and those that didn't felt the might of the citizens of the State. The scariest thing about a Statesmen is he cares more of the State than themselves which means they'll do what's necessary to win. A volunteer of the Federation not so much in the reg army.
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
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Jacques Cayton II
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.03.31 01:38:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:True Adamance wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:The Federations all volunteer force is a reflection of our shared belief that personal liberty is our greatest value. Some join for the benefits simply because they do not have the means to move up any other way. Some join because are natural fighters.
Our lack of a militaristic culture means the first group will in most cases be inferior to those cultures built on loyalty and warfare. They must rely heavily on the resources, organization, and technology the Federation Military provides, but when all that is lost every person will decide for themselves if their life is worth losing, and in many cases it is not.
Then we have the second group who by choice have decided to devote their lives to warfare. In a society that does not pressure it's citizens to serve through honor alone these are some of the fiercest warriors. Even their loyalties lie not with their government, god, or any individual, but to the principles the federation is founded on.
One can argue whether an all volunteer force is inherently inferior, but having a few dedicated and devoted individuals who come by choice than a mass of brainwashed conscripts makes it easier to give more resources to each individual, and making it unnecessary to throw away lives needlessly.
With that said our diverse culture does sometimes give forth some terrible people and heinous acts, but at least we don't institutionalize it. It is not a matter of them being inferior as soldier, but lacking a unified purpose. No disagreement here. Inferiority in my post is in regards to motivation, not skill or power. Skill and power are meaningless. Only that purpose you inherently serve. If your purpose is to die then take solace in fulfilling your duty. Duty is its own reward. There is no nobler way to die for than than in the service of God. This is why our soldiers are superior to those of the other Empires. True soldier of the Amarr are possessed of a divine purpose.
I won't disagree with you there, but our soldiers will to fight for the betterment of the State and continue the Caldari way is great. It gives them strength and the ability to do whatever whenever. We train our soldiers from the moment they can walk. They learn to fight, they learn to think in some of the harshest environments known to man. I think the Amarr and Caldari have some of the best and most well trained forces in new eden.
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
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