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Doesn't concern you if you don't care about PFC, otherwise read plz
I've seen alot of threads about this and how DDB isn't doing their jobs...

Since when did we say absolutely no one else can help out with enforcing agreeable rules? Kujo posted a list of rules to give everyone a better idea about what RA would like PFC to look like, but did those rules mention anything about not being allowed to help out with policing?

I'd think about that before you decide to tell us what we can't do because of our lack of dedication towards something we honestly get nothing out of. I like to help out when I have the time, and perhaps when there is something only AE can deal with we WILL come.

But before even talking to us, you guys decided to be all dramatic and tell us you are taking over and we can no longer police PFC, a COMMUNITY PROJECT.

DDB will continue in the effort to help out PFC if they damn well please, and you guys can too. RA doesn't own PFC, despite being the largest land holder. We haven't gone in there and cleared out all of those corps to farm for ourselves have we?


Anyway sorry about the rant, I know this is the dramaroom and I should HTFU and maybe stop being so susceptible to trolling, but honestly when I see respectable people going out of their way to talk about something like that I can't help but take it seriously.

Bash on DDB, its free. I don't agree with it, but freedom right? But bashing with logic is different. Don't you guys get it by now that those that use logic get trolled? lol

Hey, thanks for putting that thing at the top about the not caring don't read. Saved me some time.

As a note, one of our corps tried to help another corp get their district back once, and in the short time we were handling transfer, we had to deal with AE attacking us for having two. Even though AE was told up front what we were doing ahead of time. While it eventually got worked out, the existing system isn't exactly conducive to community policing.

While I agree with some of what is said here the timing of is just smells of an excuse. I'm sorry but DDB where never going to succeed at managing PFC. It may not be their fault, but lets not make excuses for them. Also I think there are way to many rules that have been put on PFC. Pretty sure it started out as fighting is mutual and don't take over someone else's district. Trying to make unenforceable rules is just a sign of inexperience here.

There are 2 ways to manage PFC. The old way where all the super powers that be do so and no one dares break the rules. The other is for a strong enough group to make examples of corps that break the rules. Realistically DDB never had this ability and should never have been tasked with the job.

I 100% think PFC needs to go and its a time and isk sink for any group that tries to manage it.

While I agree with some of what is said here the timing of is just smells of an excuse. I'm sorry but DDB where never going to succeed at managing PFC. It may not be their fault, but lets not make excuses for them. Also I think there are way to many rules that have been put on PFC. Pretty sure it started out as fighting is mutual and don't take over someone else's district. Trying to make unenforceable rules is just a sign of inexperience here.

There are 2 ways to manage PFC. The old way where all the super powers that be do so and no one dares break the rules. The other is for a strong enough group to make examples of corps that break the rules. Realistically DDB never had this ability and should never have been tasked with the job.

I 100% think PFC needs to go and its a time and isk sink for any group that tries to manage it.

PFC was a good idea, but the implementation was faulty from the start.

What good are rules if they can't be enforced? Seems rather silly to me.

Either have the fortitude to enforce the rules, or give up.

PFC was a good idea, but the implementation was faulty from the start.

What good are rules if they can't be enforced? Seems rather silly to me.

Either have the fortitude to enforce the rules, or give up.

The rules are the rules, if you used a PFC district to launch a 400 clone attack outside, you are breaking the rules.

You cannot hold a district outside PFC if you are a land owner in PFC.

The rules are the rules, if you used a PFC district to launch a 400 clone attack outside, you are breaking the rules.

You cannot hold a district outside PFC if you are a land owner in PFC.

We will bring some suggestions to the round table when everybody has taken the time to sit down. But I agree with Sparo, we should focus on stabilizing the neighbourhood...

Thank you Ariana to take your time and support us all.

In maybe 6 to 8 months we might have a new bunch of Corp ready for prime time and get the best out of this game.

We didn't, and again, we didn't. I recommend not commenting unless you fully understand the situation.

In particular, when someone illegally stole W-J-R's district from them, we removed the illegitimate owners in order to give the district back to W-J-R.

Anyways, point being: Previous and current overlords were not conducive to the community helping police.

Arirana, while you have good points and valid arguments, you simply dont understand the very, VERY simple fact that there is nota soul here that will ever pay attention to anything you say. You soiled any and all credibility in the community long ago, but you already know that.

making any reasonable argument you really should utilize an alt that no one know about.

cause seriously, you showed your true colors long ago and most people worth a **** in the community dont forget those kind of things.

step back into the shadows of irrelevancy and keep workin on finding the next thing that u can be good at.

not tryin to be a d1ck, seriously. I have no problem with you as a person, but you having any form of credible input and feedback on this game that you played every single person not on your team the fool for months, just doesnt fly in these parts.

u blackballed yourself, and this particular community is WAY too small for it to ever be pushed aside or forgotten

Arirana, while you have good points and valid arguments, you simply dont understand the very, VERY simple fact that there is nota soul here that will ever pay attention to anything you say. You soiled any and all credibility in the community long ago, but you already know that.

making any reasonable argument you really should utilize an alt that no one know about.

cause seriously, you showed your true colors long ago and most people worth a **** in the community dont forget those kind of things.

step back into the shadows of irrelevancy and keep workin on finding the next thing that u can be good at.

not tryin to be a d1ck, seriously. I have no problem with you as a person, but you having any form of credible input and feedback on this game that you played every single person not on your team the fool for months, just doesnt fly in these parts.

u blackballed yourself, and this particular community is WAY too small for it to ever be pushed aside or forgotten

You are correct that PFC is a community project, but it was created by EoN and Negative Feedback at the end of the CRONOS war. All of the major powers agreed to maintain it and use it as a training ground for their newer members.

When NF originally retired from PC EoN took up the mantel and made PFC less about the biggest fish in the pond having a place to safely duke it out and more about starter corps having a place to get their feet wet when it came to PFC. At this point PFC came closer to being in it's prime that it has before. The problem that this started though is that no longer were the members of PFC making the rules but an outside force.

Not only was there the problem of a litany of rules being made, but there was still never a clear and concise place for those rules. Newer PFC members have to dig through thread after thread and base their perception of what can and can't be done on Fight Club base on rumor and whisper. As one PFC member has put it, rather than enjoying their district they are forced to walk on eggshells fearful that they will break some unspoken rule of PFC and potentially loose their district. This is the sort of ambiguity that needs to be resolved.

Beers, Ariana, and others are right though that without force behind the rules they have no authority or power. Many corporations lurking in the shadows of Molden Health won't respect rules, but they will respect brute force. PFC will likely always be under threat from both without and within.

I do believe that an organized group formed by the members of PFC and with a strong backing will be able to bring order to PFC and ensure its continued operation. Is it guaranteed to work? No, but sitting idly by doesn't accomplish much. DDB has made a valiant attempt to keep order in the chaos and the community can thank them for their service, but there needs to be a new way forward if PFC is to not only survive but thrive.

Not only was there the problem of a litany of rules being made, but there was still never a clear and concise place for those rules. Newer PFC members have to dig through thread after thread and base their perception of what can and can't be done on Fight Club base on rumor and whisper. As one PFC member has put it, rather than enjoying their district they are forced to walk on eggshells fearful that they will break some unspoken rule of PFC and potentially loose their district

Actually Sota, feedback on anything PC (pfc is part of pc) related should go in the war room. As that is where you would get the most feedback.

Everything else is just you bantering on about ari.

And you're right, I personally didn't know NF was having meetings about pfc. I'm sure no one in AE did either. However that isn't completely our fault. I'm sure ari would gladly join in on any future meetings. He actually cares about the game. More than most. I know pretty surprising lol.

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Thank you for your cooperation.

It is, actually, your fault. Every corp who wanted dealings or were a part of PFC were asked to contact Kane Spero - AE didn't. But when you guys get bored you sure want to make a stink of things. Lol

Also, just for fun, because youGÇÖre also wrong about War Room being used as PC feedback:



So, where does it say War Room, the player vs player section of the forums - is used for feedback on PC - when there's already a feedback section for game mechanics?

I didn't know kain asked to contact him about pfc. Then again I don't normally visits pfc threads anyways.

Btw the reason I said war room was for feed back is because its common sense to post a feedback thread about PC in here. After all it affects anyone who regularly does PC. And anyone who does PC always checks the war room. Posting here will get MORE feedback than if it was posted elsewhere. Than afterwards, once all feedback has been collected, you can summarize everything and put in it feedback forum... But we all know threads QUICKY die in there.

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