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Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 390	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:14:00 - [1] - Quote TL;DR Doesn't concern you if you don't care about PFC, otherwise read plz I've seen alot of threads about this and how DDB isn't doing their jobs... Since when did we say absolutely no one else can help out with enforcing agreeable rules? Kujo posted a list of rules to give everyone a better idea about what RA would like PFC to look like, but did those rules mention anything about not being allowed to help out with policing? I'd think about that before you decide to tell us what we can't do because of our lack of dedication towards something we honestly get nothing out of. I like to help out when I have the time, and perhaps when there is something only AE can deal with we WILL come. But before even talking to us, you guys decided to be all dramatic and tell us you are taking over and we can no longer police PFC, a COMMUNITY PROJECT. DDB will continue in the effort to help out PFC if they damn well please, and you guys can too. RA doesn't own PFC, despite being the largest land holder. We haven't gone in there and cleared out all of those corps to farm for ourselves have we? Anyway sorry about the rant, I know this is the dramaroom and I should HTFU and maybe stop being so susceptible to trolling, but honestly when I see respectable people going out of their way to talk about something like that I can't help but take it seriously. Bash on DDB, its free. I don't agree with it, but freedom right? But bashing with logic is different. Don't you guys get it by now that those that use logic get trolled? lol I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
sL1p-k-NOT United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 61	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:24:00 - [2] - Quote I Agree with you.....many corps play PFC and many corps sometimes against the Rules....i personally have a lot respect to every corp whos try to handle pfc in the past.... Really i think thats isnt a easy job.....cubs kujo's and babyshakers mailbox must be full every day. All the people in our comunity needs to look that its work no corp ever can handle pfc alone... Its easy to said; tp ae or ddb didn't the job....
Long Evity 1326	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:26:00 - [3] - Quote Who's bashing on DDB for there VOLUNTEER effort on PFC? I give them **** for being gamers and hiring AE ringers - but they at least tried to give back to the community by assisting PFC. Respectable imo I salute you DDB. o7 I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1255	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:33:00 - [4] - Quote As a note, one of our corps tried to help another corp get their district back once, and in the short time we were handling transfer, we had to deal with AE attacking us for having two. Even though AE was told up front what we were doing ahead of time. While it eventually got worked out, the existing system isn't exactly conducive to community policing. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1802	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:55:00 - [5] - Quote Arirana wrote: TL;DR Doesn't concern you if you don't care about PFC, otherwise read plz I've seen alot of threads about this and how DDB isn't doing their jobs... Since when did we say absolutely no one else can help out with enforcing agreeable rules? Kujo posted a list of rules to give everyone a better idea about what RA would like PFC to look like, but did those rules mention anything about not being allowed to help out with policing? I'd think about that before you decide to tell us what we can't do because of our lack of dedication towards something we honestly get nothing out of. I like to help out when I have the time, and perhaps when there is something only AE can deal with we WILL come. But before even talking to us, you guys decided to be all dramatic and tell us you are taking over and we can no longer police PFC, a COMMUNITY PROJECT. DDB will continue in the effort to help out PFC if they damn well please, and you guys can too. RA doesn't own PFC, despite being the largest land holder. We haven't gone in there and cleared out all of those corps to farm for ourselves have we? Anyway sorry about the rant, I know this is the dramaroom and I should HTFU and maybe stop being so susceptible to trolling, but honestly when I see respectable people going out of their way to talk about something like that I can't help but take it seriously. Bash on DDB, its free. I don't agree with it, but freedom right? But bashing with logic is different. Don't you guys get it by now that those that use logic get trolled? lol While I agree with what is said here the timing of is just smells of an excuse. I'm sorry but DDB where never going to succeed at managing PFC. It may not be their fault, but lets not make excuses for them. Also I think there are way to many rules that have been put on PFC. Pretty sure it started out as fighting is mutual and don't take over someone else's district. Trying to make unenforceable rules is just a sign of inexperience here. There are 2 ways to manage PFC. The old way where all the super powers that be do so and no one dares break the rules. The other is for a strong enough group to make examples of corps that break the rules. Realistically DDB never had this ability and should never have been tasked with the job. I 100% think PFC needs to go and its a time and isk sink for any group that tries to manage it. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 736	Posted - 2014.01.28 16:55:00 - [6] - Quote Hey, thanks for putting that thing at the top about the not caring don't read. Saved me some time. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 396	Posted - 2014.01.28 17:01:00 - [7] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Hey, thanks for putting that thing at the top about the not caring don't read. Saved me some time. np gotta look out for fellow-skips-random-BS-cuz-who-cares peeps I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 26	Posted - 2014.01.28 17:06:00 - [8] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: As a note, one of our corps tried to help another corp get their district back once, and in the short time we were handling transfer, we had to deal with AE attacking us for having two. Even though AE was told up front what we were doing ahead of time. While it eventually got worked out, the existing system isn't exactly conducive to community policing. The rules are the rules, if you used a PFC district to launch a 400 clone attack outside, you are breaking the rules. You cannot hold a district outside PFC if you are a land owner in PFC. We will bring some suggestions to the round table when everybody has taken the time to sit down. But I agree with Sparo, we should focus on stabilizing the neighbourhood... Thank you Ariana to take your time and support us all. In maybe 6 to 8 months we might have a new bunch of Corp ready for prime time and get the best out of this game.
Jade Tech TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 56	Posted - 2014.01.28 17:08:00 - [9] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Arirana wrote: TL;DR Doesn't concern you if you don't care about PFC, otherwise read plz I've seen alot of threads about this and how DDB isn't doing their jobs... Since when did we say absolutely no one else can help out with enforcing agreeable rules? Kujo posted a list of rules to give everyone a better idea about what RA would like PFC to look like, but did those rules mention anything about not being allowed to help out with policing? I'd think about that before you decide to tell us what we can't do because of our lack of dedication towards something we honestly get nothing out of. I like to help out when I have the time, and perhaps when there is something only AE can deal with we WILL come. But before even talking to us, you guys decided to be all dramatic and tell us you are taking over and we can no longer police PFC, a COMMUNITY PROJECT. DDB will continue in the effort to help out PFC if they damn well please, and you guys can too. RA doesn't own PFC, despite being the largest land holder. We haven't gone in there and cleared out all of those corps to farm for ourselves have we? Anyway sorry about the rant, I know this is the dramaroom and I should HTFU and maybe stop being so susceptible to trolling, but honestly when I see respectable people going out of their way to talk about something like that I can't help but take it seriously. Bash on DDB, its free. I don't agree with it, but freedom right? But bashing with logic is different. Don't you guys get it by now that those that use logic get trolled? lol While I agree with some of what is said here the timing of is just smells of an excuse. I'm sorry but DDB where never going to succeed at managing PFC. It may not be their fault, but lets not make excuses for them. Also I think there are way to many rules that have been put on PFC. Pretty sure it started out as fighting is mutual and don't take over someone else's district. Trying to make unenforceable rules is just a sign of inexperience here. There are 2 ways to manage PFC. The old way where all the super powers that be do so and no one dares break the rules. The other is for a strong enough group to make examples of corps that break the rules. Realistically DDB never had this ability and should never have been tasked with the job. I 100% think PFC needs to go and its a time and isk sink for any group that tries to manage it. This ^ I should start a petition to get rid of PFC for good. For everyone who votes, they get a free pamphlet that says "Scrubbalicious" signed by Kain Spero. Kleptomaniacs just don't get puns... They always take things literally o_o
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 396	Posted - 2014.01.28 17:11:00 - [10] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Arirana wrote: TL;DR Doesn't concern you if you don't care about PFC, otherwise read plz I've seen alot of threads about this and how DDB isn't doing their jobs... Since when did we say absolutely no one else can help out with enforcing agreeable rules? Kujo posted a list of rules to give everyone a better idea about what RA would like PFC to look like, but did those rules mention anything about not being allowed to help out with policing? I'd think about that before you decide to tell us what we can't do because of our lack of dedication towards something we honestly get nothing out of. I like to help out when I have the time, and perhaps when there is something only AE can deal with we WILL come. But before even talking to us, you guys decided to be all dramatic and tell us you are taking over and we can no longer police PFC, a COMMUNITY PROJECT. DDB will continue in the effort to help out PFC if they damn well please, and you guys can too. RA doesn't own PFC, despite being the largest land holder. We haven't gone in there and cleared out all of those corps to farm for ourselves have we? Anyway sorry about the rant, I know this is the dramaroom and I should HTFU and maybe stop being so susceptible to trolling, but honestly when I see respectable people going out of their way to talk about something like that I can't help but take it seriously. Bash on DDB, its free. I don't agree with it, but freedom right? But bashing with logic is different. Don't you guys get it by now that those that use logic get trolled? lol While I agree with some of what is said here the timing of is just smells of an excuse. I'm sorry but DDB where never going to succeed at managing PFC. It may not be their fault, but lets not make excuses for them. Also I think there are way to many rules that have been put on PFC. Pretty sure it started out as fighting is mutual and don't take over someone else's district. Trying to make unenforceable rules is just a sign of inexperience here. There are 2 ways to manage PFC. The old way where all the super powers that be do so and no one dares break the rules. The other is for a strong enough group to make examples of corps that break the rules. Realistically DDB never had this ability and should never have been tasked with the job. I 100% think PFC needs to go and its a time and isk sink for any group that tries to manage it. ty for agreeing and stating your opinions. It is an excuse. Not to take away its purpose of excusing DDB from this hate, since most people think excuse= white lie/irrelevant before the fact. It is relevant. Those rules were general guides and it was better to overdo it and say the rules are in place and you better follow them than admit we can only do so much, to meta people in following them from the start and slowly realize we aren't enforcing rather than not enforce from the start and give them no reason to fear. Of course, that might make you doubt our word in the future, and predict this stuff, but w/e. PFC will not be enforceable so long as district locking is this hard/impossible to counter. Of course district locking prevents corps that can't otherwise hold land to stay in MH, but the same could be done by people capable of defending but would rather sit back and farm. Needs to be fixed* The 2 ways you listed are not realistic**. TBH are YOU going to show up everyday to make examples of grievers and trolls? A few months down the line you will realize that they just KEEP coming no matter what. Will you still be coming on everyday by then? So yeah, anyone who wants to try a crack on policing, not only is it good practice in itself, but you can get some pretty intense matches going when you hate your opponent and what they stand for I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 324	Posted - 2014.01.28 17:17:00 - [11] - Quote PFC was a good idea, but the implementation was faulty from the start. What good are rules if they can't be enforced? Seems rather silly to me. Either have the fortitude to enforce the rules, or give up.
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 397	Posted - 2014.01.28 17:20:00 - [12] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: PFC was a good idea, but the implementation was faulty from the start. What good are rules if they can't be enforced? Seems rather silly to me. Either have the fortitude to enforce the rules, or give up. Like I said, its community made. Community. Help if you want to. AE will back the community if they still want PFC to be here. If there is SOMEONE that wants PFC to be here, RA will ensure the existence of PFC. There has ONLY been minor breakings in PFC that the community itself can address themselves. Communicate with your fellow rule abiders. When things hit the fan you there is NOTHING anyone but RA or Kain or FA or OH or RND can do, then one of us will step in. Until then, its up to the people participating in PC themselves to govern it, because they are able. I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 397	Posted - 2014.01.28 17:25:00 - [13] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: PFC was a good idea, but the implementation was faulty from the start. What good are rules if they can't be enforced? Seems rather silly to me. Either have the fortitude to enforce the rules, or give up. You all are way too picky. PFC was never going to be perfect. But would you rather there be rule breakings with at least a majority of the people there getting the fights they came for, or would you rather pretty much no life it beating down on people that have no chance against you because they didn't know about the rules, or they didn't care, or w/e the reason. If you try to scrap it, AE will step in. simple as that. We only deal with things that very few other corps can. I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1256	Posted - 2014.01.28 17:29:00 - [14] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As a note, one of our corps tried to help another corp get their district back once, and in the short time we were handling transfer, we had to deal with AE attacking us for having two. Even though AE was told up front what we were doing ahead of time. While it eventually got worked out, the existing system isn't exactly conducive to community policing. The rules are the rules, if you used a PFC district to launch a 400 clone attack outside, you are breaking the rules. You cannot hold a district outside PFC if you are a land owner in PFC. We didn't, and again, we didn't. I recommend not commenting unless you fully understand the situation. In particular, when someone illegally stole W-J-R's district from them, we removed the illegitimate owners in order to give the district back to W-J-R. Anyways, point being: Previous and current overlords were not conducive to the community helping police. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Gildart Lightray Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 80	Posted - 2014.01.28 17:47:00 - [15] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As a note, one of our corps tried to help another corp get their district back once, and in the short time we were handling transfer, we had to deal with AE attacking us for having two. Even though AE was told up front what we were doing ahead of time. While it eventually got worked out, the existing system isn't exactly conducive to community policing. The rules are the rules, if you used a PFC district to launch a 400 clone attack outside, you are breaking the rules. You cannot hold a district outside PFC if you are a land owner in PFC. We will bring some suggestions to the round table when everybody has taken the time to sit down. But I agree with Sparo, we should focus on stabilizing the neighbourhood... Thank you Ariana to take your time and support us all. In maybe 6 to 8 months we might have a new bunch of Corp ready for prime time and get the best out of this game. Unless you ask Kujo if your corp can send out attacks. Because in his words " it's the only viable way.." . Unless the rules changed then nvm my post. Forum Warrior lvl. 0 This scrub is for hire
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United The CORVOS 26	Posted - 2014.01.28 18:56:00 - [16] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: As a note, one of our corps tried to help another corp get their district back once, and in the short time we were handling transfer, we had to deal with AE attacking us for having two. Even though AE was told up front what we were doing ahead of time. While it eventually got worked out, the existing system isn't exactly conducive to community policing. The rules are the rules, if you used a PFC district to launch a 400 clone attack outside, you are breaking the rules. You cannot hold a district outside PFC if you are a land owner in PFC. We didn't, and again, we didn't. I recommend not commenting unless you fully understand the situation. In particular, when someone illegally stole W-J-R's district from them, we removed the illegitimate owners in order to give the district back to W-J-R. Anyways, point being: Previous and current overlords were not conducive to the community helping police. All right sorry about the comment, each situation is unique.
Kain Spero Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2733	Posted - 2014.01.28 19:49:00 - [17] - Quote You are correct that PFC is a community project, but it was created by EoN and Negative Feedback at the end of the CRONOS war. All of the major powers agreed to maintain it and use it as a training ground for their newer members. When NF originally retired from PC EoN took up the mantel and made PFC less about the biggest fish in the pond having a place to safely duke it out and more about starter corps having a place to get their feet wet when it came to PFC. At this point PFC came closer to being in it's prime that it has before. The problem that this started though is that no longer were the members of PFC making the rules but an outside force. Not only was there the problem of a litany of rules being made, but there was still never a clear and concise place for those rules. Newer PFC members have to dig through thread after thread and base their perception of what can and can't be done on Fight Club base on rumor and whisper. As once PFC member has put it, rather than enjoying their district they are forced to walk on eggshells fearful that they will break some unspoken rule of PFC and potentially loose their district. This is the sort of ambiguity that needs to be resolved. Beers, Ariana, and others are right though that without force behind the rules they have no authority or power. Many corporations lurking in the shadows of Molden Health won't respect rules, but they will respect brute force. PFC will likely always be under threat from both without and within. I do believe that an organized group formed by the members of PFC and with a strong backing will be able to bring order to PFC and ensure its continued operation. Is it guaranteed to work? No, but sitting idly by doesn't accomplish much. DDB has made a valiant attempt to keep order in the chaos and the community can thank them for their service, but there needs to be a new way forward if PFC is to not only survive but thrive. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 182	Posted - 2014.01.28 20:38:00 - [18] - Quote The only way pfc could be enforced fairly is by having a corp like TP enforce the rules. A corp with no holdings and good enough to boot someone out if need be. Maybe pay them a monthly maintenance fee that all corps in pfc would be responsible for covering like rent or union dues.
CUBS UNbanned Alt 130	Posted - 2014.01.28 21:04:00 - [19] - Quote Arirana, while you have good points and valid arguments, you simply dont understand the very, VERY simple fact that there is nota soul here that will ever pay attention to anything you say. You soiled any and all credibility in the community long ago, but you already know that. making any reasonable argument you really should utilize an alt that no one know about. cause seriously, you showed your true colors long ago and most people worth a **** in the community dont forget those kind of things. step back into the shadows of irrelevancy and keep workin on finding the next thing that u can be good at. not tryin to be a d1ck, seriously. I have no problem with you as a person, but you having any form of credible input and feedback on this game that you played every single person not on your team the fool for months, just doesnt fly in these parts. u blackballed yourself, and this particular community is WAY too small for it to ever be pushed aside or forgotten Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
Shiyou Hidiyoshi 22	Posted - 2014.01.28 21:35:00 - [20] - Quote CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote: Arirana, while you have good points and valid arguments, you simply dont understand the very, VERY simple fact that there is nota soul here that will ever pay attention to anything you say. You soiled any and all credibility in the community long ago, but you already know that. making any reasonable argument you really should utilize an alt that no one know about. cause seriously, you showed your true colors long ago and most people worth a **** in the community dont forget those kind of things. step back into the shadows of irrelevancy and keep workin on finding the next thing that u can be good at. not tryin to be a d1ck, seriously. I have no problem with you as a person, but you having any form of credible input and feedback on this game that you played every single person not on your team the fool for months, just doesnt fly in these parts. u blackballed yourself, and this particular community is WAY too small for it to ever be pushed aside or forgotten ^ He has a good point Ari. Also, you could write it all out then give it to someone well known and respected to post on the forums. (Not me) Will awoky woky Rampage in PC for Chucky Cheese tokens. I finally reached 1Mil isk guys! C C P corp is a scruby corp. :P

Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 408	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:46:00 - [21] - Quote CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote: Arirana, while you have good points and valid arguments, you simply dont understand the very, VERY simple fact that there is nota soul here that will ever pay attention to anything you say. You soiled any and all credibility in the community long ago, but you already know that. making any reasonable argument you really should utilize an alt that no one know about. cause seriously, you showed your true colors long ago and most people worth a ** in the community dont forget those kind of things. step back into the shadows of irrelevancy and keep workin on finding the next thing that u can be good at. not tryin to be a d1ck, seriously. I have no problem with you as a person, but you having any form of credible input and feedback on this game that you played every single person not on your team the fool for months, just doesnt fly in these parts. u blackballed yourself, and this particular community is WAY too small for it to ever be pushed aside or forgotten You have a point, but honestly, no. People may never forget about it, but it doesn't mean I don't have a brain. I don't care who knows about what I did, because honestly, the people that aren't going to take me seriously really are only the people that can't get over themselves/can't stop rubbing their ass enough about being treated unfairly. You're confusing "the community" with those types of people. I will never change my name, or any other bullshit you feel would be better than owning up to what I've done. I'm going to take responsibility for what I did and whatever negative impact that has on what I'm trying to do here, well **. That's all of your choices to hold that against me rather than listen to what I have to say, not much I can do besides what I already said I won't for obvious reasons. Now that we've established how I feel, I'm also going to say that I will never change my mind on the subject. Now you either have something to say about the matter at hand, or you don't cubs. I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 408	Posted - 2014.01.29 04:13:00 - [22] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: You are correct that PFC is a community project, but it was created by EoN and Negative Feedback at the end of the CRONOS war. All of the major powers agreed to maintain it and use it as a training ground for their newer members. When NF originally retired from PC EoN took up the mantel and made PFC less about the biggest fish in the pond having a place to safely duke it out and more about starter corps having a place to get their feet wet when it came to PFC. At this point PFC came closer to being in it's prime that it has before. The problem that this started though is that no longer were the members of PFC making the rules but an outside force. Not only was there the problem of a litany of rules being made, but there was still never a clear and concise place for those rules. Newer PFC members have to dig through thread after thread and base their perception of what can and can't be done on Fight Club base on rumor and whisper. As one PFC member has put it, rather than enjoying their district they are forced to walk on eggshells fearful that they will break some unspoken rule of PFC and potentially loose their district. This is the sort of ambiguity that needs to be resolved. Beers, Ariana, and others are right though that without force behind the rules they have no authority or power. Many corporations lurking in the shadows of Molden Health won't respect rules, but they will respect brute force. PFC will likely always be under threat from both without and within. I do believe that an organized group formed by the members of PFC and with a strong backing will be able to bring order to PFC and ensure its continued operation. Is it guaranteed to work? No, but sitting idly by doesn't accomplish much. DDB has made a valiant attempt to keep order in the chaos and the community can thank them for their service, but there needs to be a new way forward if PFC is to not only survive but thrive. Cool, I'd like to see what genius "better" plan you have for PFC that doesn't include you making empty promises just as we did to keep newer corps with relatively no real combat threat in line. I assume you're going to be going at a pay to be here profit angle then? Considering PFC as is right now will be completely unprofitable for you, and I have no idea why you would otherwise be interested in wasting time and effort for the sake of players/corps that may or may not stay committed to becoming better. Just saying, if this is a ploy to get rich/dismantle the majority of what PFC stands for right now, AE will step in. You will talk to us about what you're doing or we will be skeptical and probably take action if you're not enforcing the rules agreed upon. More importantly, I'd like to see you do it without wiping out PFC inhabitants actually interested in the idea behind PFC and actively participating. Thriving would include top efficiency of all of PFC districts being used for this purpose, I assume? Also Kain Spero wrote: Not only was there the problem of a litany of rules being made, but there was still never a clear and concise place for those rules. Newer PFC members have to dig through thread after thread and base their perception of what can and can't be done on Fight Club base on rumor and whisper. As one PFC member has put it, rather than enjoying their district they are forced to walk on eggshells fearful that they will break some unspoken rule of PFC and potentially loose their district That's a great point. You have connections, make a list of all the PFC rules and get them sticky'ed here in the war room or bump them for a LONG TIME so that everyone can see the exact rules rather than be afraid of unspoken one's. If you're willing to police PFC via contracting top of the line mercenary's to fight rule breaking noobs, then sure. But unless the community agree's with you milking them for their ISK from PFC to fund it, I don't see anything like that happening. I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Long Evity 1331	Posted - 2014.01.29 04:41:00 - [23] - Quote Please, stop, Arirana. If you had any real feedback or desire to help it wouldn't be plastered all over the War Room where people would rather see you quit the game. It would go where the subjects belong. "But people don't read what I have to say anywhere else!!!" I ******* WONDER WHY?!!??!?!?! Stop trying to be the voice of reason for AE - it's not working. If anything, it just makes everything seem more like a joke and more liable to get your subject trolled. I was all up for listening to you - but now you're trying to use AE as a strong arm tool when all NF is trying to do is what AE is incapable of doing - setting a real foundation for PFC. You want a say on what's going on? Then be a part of all the meetings about PFC that is going on - NF is not making any decisions on our own, but you wouldn't know anything about that since AE is so disjointed from the community. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 727	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:18:00 - [24] - Quote Actually Sota, feedback on anything PC (pfc is part of pc) related should go in the war room. As that is where you would get the most feedback. Everything else is just you bantering on about ari. And you're right, I personally didn't know NF was having meetings about pfc. I'm sure no one in AE did either. However that isn't completely our fault. I'm sure ari would gladly join in on any future meetings. He actually cares about the game. More than most. I know pretty surprising lol. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| pâÅpéñpâápü»tºüpü«µëôµÆâpéÆF¦ápüúpüªpüäpéï \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Long Evity 1334	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:36:00 - [25] - Quote Marad''er wrote: Actually Sota, feedback on anything PC (pfc is part of pc) related should go in the war room. As that is where you would get the most feedback. Everything else is just you bantering on about ari. And you're right, I personally didn't know NF was having meetings about pfc. I'm sure no one in AE did either. However that isn't completely our fault. I'm sure ari would gladly join in on any future meetings. He actually cares about the game. More than most. I know pretty surprising lol. It is, actually, your fault. Every corp who wanted dealings or were a part of PFC were asked to contact Kane Spero - AE didn't. But when you guys get bored you sure want to make a stink of things. Lol Also, just for fun, because youGÇÖre also wrong about War Room being used as PC feedback: CCP Frame wrote: Do you have a vendetta to settle with another player corporation? Or perhaps you just want to setup a friendly scrimmage with another player corp to test your teamGÇÖs mettle. If so, then this forum section is for you! All the standard forum rules apply to this section as well. Thank you for your cooperation. So, where does it say War Room, the player vs player section of the forums - is used for feedback on PC - when there's already a feedback section for game mechanics? I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 727	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:44:00 - [26] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Marad''er wrote: Actually Sota, feedback on anything PC (pfc is part of pc) related should go in the war room. As that is where you would get the most feedback. Everything else is just you bantering on about ari. And you're right, I personally didn't know NF was having meetings about pfc. I'm sure no one in AE did either. However that isn't completely our fault. I'm sure ari would gladly join in on any future meetings. He actually cares about the game. More than most. I know pretty surprising lol. It is, actually, your fault. Every corp who wanted dealings or were a part of PFC were asked to contact Kane Spero - AE didn't. But when you guys get bored you sure want to make a stink of things. Lol Also, just for fun, because youGÇÖre also wrong about War Room being used as PC feedback: CCP Frame wrote: Do you have a vendetta to settle with another player corporation? Or perhaps you just want to setup a friendly scrimmage with another player corp to test your teamGÇÖs mettle. If so, then this forum section is for you! All the standard forum rules apply to this section as well. Thank you for your cooperation. So, where does it say War Room, the player vs player section of the forums - is used for feedback on PC - when there's already a feedback section for game mechanics? I didn't know kain asked to contact him about pfc. Then again I don't normally visits pfc threads anyways. Btw the reason I said war room was for feed back is because its common sense to post a feedback thread about PC in here. After all it affects anyone who regularly does PC. And anyone who does PC always checks the war room. Posting here will get MORE feedback than if it was posted elsewhere. Than afterwards, once all feedback has been collected, you can summarize everything and put in it feedback forum... But we all know threads QUICKY die in there. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| pâÅpéñpâápü»tºüpü«µëôµÆâpéÆF¦ápüúpüªpüäpéï \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Long Evity 1334	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:56:00 - [27] - Quote Marad''er wrote: Long Evity wrote: Marad''er wrote: Actually Sota, feedback on anything PC (pfc is part of pc) related should go in the war room. As that is where you would get the most feedback. Everything else is just you bantering on about ari. And you're right, I personally didn't know NF was having meetings about pfc. I'm sure no one in AE did either. However that isn't completely our fault. I'm sure ari would gladly join in on any future meetings. He actually cares about the game. More than most. I know pretty surprising lol. It is, actually, your fault. Every corp who wanted dealings or were a part of PFC were asked to contact Kane Spero - AE didn't. But when you guys get bored you sure want to make a stink of things. Lol Also, just for fun, because youGÇÖre also wrong about War Room being used as PC feedback: CCP Frame wrote: Do you have a vendetta to settle with another player corporation? Or perhaps you just want to setup a friendly scrimmage with another player corp to test your teamGÇÖs mettle. If so, then this forum section is for you! All the standard forum rules apply to this section as well. Thank you for your cooperation. So, where does it say War Room, the player vs player section of the forums - is used for feedback on PC - when there's already a feedback section for game mechanics? I didn't know kain asked to contact him about pfc. Then again I don't normally visits pfc threads anyways. Btw the reason I said war room was for feed back is because its common sense to post a feedback thread about PC in here. After all it affects anyone who regularly does PC. And anyone who does PC always checks the war room. Posting here will get MORE feedback than if it was posted elsewhere. Than afterwards, once all feedback has been collected, you can summarize everything and put in it feedback forum... But we all know threads QUICKY die in there. Not that I don't agree - but let's face it. It's being posted here because no one else is going to listen to Arirana past reading his name. The only people to EVER defend him is either AE - or me when I'm tired of seeing him try and try and try and threads go no where. But you know, he keeps coming back into new threads, taking up new cases to champion himself for the community. First - it was district locking. Now - it's PFC management. Where was this concern and wanting to help when he was melee glitching? It's two-faced as **** - and needs to go somewhere else where I can't troll it into oblivion. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Sheriff Clark The Office of The Forum Sheriff 129	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:59:00 - [28] - Quote This thread belongs in this forum. It will not be moved elsewhere. However, continued personal attacks may result in a WARNING being issued to the offender. Keep it clean and discuss ideas based on merit.
Long Evity 1334	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:06:00 - [29] - Quote Sheriff Clark wrote: This thread belongs in this forum. It will not be moved elsewhere. However, continued personal attacks may result in a WARNING being issued to the offender. Keep it clean and discuss ideas based on merit. You couldn't of screamed AE alt more. Lol I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Ser Tarlon United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 106	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:19:00 - [30] - Quote Just to throw in an idea : People can change, and even the meanest glitcher can have common sense, a brain and ideas which could be valuable. Arirana may have done bad things in the future, but try to be serious and talk about his arguments without mentioning his past since it's pfc and not district locking or something like that. Black, Red - Strength, Dead All i want to do is the Blutaar with you

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1261	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:21:00 - [31] - Quote Ser Tarlon wrote: Arirana may have done bad things in the future Indeed. Has done bad things in the future. Never trust Ariana. Also, learn grammar. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 733	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:22:00 - [32] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Sheriff Clark wrote: This thread belongs in this forum. It will not be moved elsewhere. However, continued personal attacks may result in a WARNING being issued to the offender. Keep it clean and discuss ideas based on merit. You couldn't of screamed AE alt more. Lol Nah bro he's legit the Sheriff. Check his post history lol. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| pâÅpéñpâápü»tºüpü«µëôµÆâpéÆF¦ápüúpüªpüäpéï \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Long Evity 1336	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:24:00 - [33] - Quote Marad''er wrote: Long Evity wrote: Sheriff Clark wrote: This thread belongs in this forum. It will not be moved elsewhere. However, continued personal attacks may result in a WARNING being issued to the offender. Keep it clean and discuss ideas based on merit. You couldn't of screamed AE alt more. Lol Nah bro he's legit the Sheriff. Check his post history lol. Makes me miss the original sherif from back in the day - he really kicked up a fuss, and a ton of alts trying to be his deputy Lol I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 733	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:26:00 - [34] - Quote But he is the original Sheriff.... GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| pâÅpéñpâápü»tºüpü«µëôµÆâpéÆF¦ápüúpüªpüäpéï \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Long Evity 1336	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:33:00 - [35] - Quote Ser Tarlon wrote: Just to throw in an idea : People can change, and even the meanest glitcher can have common sense, a brain and ideas which could be valuable. Arirana may have done bad things in the future, but try to be serious and talk about his arguments without mentioning his past since it's pfc and not district locking or something like that. Hey, it's not like we don't *read* what he has to say. But, how do you expect me to take him seriously? Or anyone? How do you go from using the biggest in game glitch known to PC - to wanting to fix PC itself? You say people change? I say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. idk what white world Arirana grew up in where, "I'm sorry" forgives, forgets, and rewinds, or if you ignore something you did wrong long enough time erases your crime... but in my world - if you **** me over I'll remember it. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Long Evity 1336	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:34:00 - [36] - Quote Marad''er wrote: But he is the original Sheriff.... Checks post history Wow, he's lost his touch. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Ser Tarlon United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 106	Posted - 2014.01.29 09:56:00 - [37] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ser Tarlon wrote: Arirana may have done bad things in the future Indeed. Has done bad things in the future. Never trust Ariana. Also, learn grammar. Okay, that's a fcked up post there i have to admit. And sorry, i'm not native english speaker and mix the grammar up with my usual language. Black, Red - Strength, Dead All i want to do is the Blutaar with you
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 409	Posted - 2014.01.29 12:34:00 - [38] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Ser Tarlon wrote: Just to throw in an idea : People can change, and even the meanest glitcher can have common sense, a brain and ideas which could be valuable. Arirana may have done bad things in the future, but try to be serious and talk about his arguments without mentioning his past since it's pfc and not district locking or something like that. Hey, it's not like we don't *read* what he has to say. But, how do you expect me to take him seriously? Or anyone? How do you go from using the biggest in game glitch known to PC - to wanting to fix PC itself? You say people change? I say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. idk what white world Arirana grew up in where, "I'm sorry" forgives, forgets, and rewinds, or if you ignore something you did wrong long enough time erases your crime... but in my world - if you **** me over I'll remember it. Let me clear that up, its all based on opinion I suppose, but it wasn't anymore OP than the core flaylock ever was. Probably even less OP. Not to mention it was 1/16th of ONE team in the entire game doing it. I never broke 40 kills with it, and at best got a 3 kdr, pretty similar to people who used the Core Flaylock when it was OP. To go as far as to say it was the biggest in game glitch, when clearly the reload-sprint glitch takes the cake, it was simply a core flaylock that cost alot of suit optimization to do. When people started realizing they could SCAN me, call out my position verbally, and kill me quite easily as I run directly at them with 470hp, they started to realize they were just being stupid about it and that it wasn't as good as everyone thought. Not to take away from how ANNOYING it was and the extremely high amounts of DPS, it was a weapon with a 1m optimal, effective, and absolute range. It required 7 modules for myofribril stimulants, cardiac regulators, and kinetic catalyzers to reach that level of speed and damage, and EVEN then I was a scannable target with predictable radar behavior, and low HP. You remember what it was like when TP found out how to utilize my weaknesses against me, I began to go negative with it, with all of the scans, people no longer firing in my direction nervously missing most of their shots, but determined to deal my 470 hp before I could get close. For a exploit, it was pretty well balanced in every regard besides the insane amounts of damage per hit, considering how UP melee is without it. Only talking about this because we can't seem to move on :/ I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Kingseeker Kobra Expert Intervention Caldari State 227	Posted - 2014.01.29 12:39:00 - [39] - Quote It's like having an unnerfed flaylock when everyone else's was nerfed, how can you possibly make that comparison? You glitch to win, spam equipment and play in SD to win, and now lock districts to win Yeah, nobody wants your opinion on anything Ever. Ariana glitches 31 free kills and loses anyways, LMFAO @ AE GARBAGE
Long Evity 1345	Posted - 2014.01.29 12:46:00 - [40] - Quote Arirana wrote: Long Evity wrote: Ser Tarlon wrote: Just to throw in an idea : People can change, and even the meanest glitcher can have common sense, a brain and ideas which could be valuable. Arirana may have done bad things in the future, but try to be serious and talk about his arguments without mentioning his past since it's pfc and not district locking or something like that. Hey, it's not like we don't *read* what he has to say. But, how do you expect me to take him seriously? Or anyone? How do you go from using the biggest in game glitch known to PC - to wanting to fix PC itself? You say people change? I say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. idk what white world Arirana grew up in where, "I'm sorry" forgives, forgets, and rewinds, or if you ignore something you did wrong long enough time erases your crime... but in my world - if you ** me over I'll remember it. Let me clear that up, its all based on opinion I suppose, but it wasn't anymore OP than the core flaylock ever was. Probably even less OP. Not to mention it was 1/16th of ONE team in the entire game doing it. I never broke 40 kills with it, and at best got a 3 kdr, pretty similar to people who used the Core Flaylock when it was OP. To go as far as to say it was the biggest in game glitch, when clearly the reload-sprint glitch takes the cake, it was simply a core flaylock that cost alot of suit optimization to do. When people started realizing they could SCAN me, call out my position verbally, and kill me quite easily as I run directly at them with 470hp, they started to realize they were just being stupid about it and that it wasn't as good as everyone thought. Not to take away from how ANNOYING it was and the extremely high amounts of DPS, it was a weapon with a 1m optimal, effective, and absolute range. It required 7 modules for myofribril stimulants, cardiac regulators, and kinetic catalyzers to reach that level of speed and damage, and EVEN then I was a scannable target with predictable radar behavior, and low HP. You remember what it was like when TP found out how to utilize my weaknesses against me, I began to go negative with it, with all of the scans, people no longer firing in my direction nervously missing most of their shots, but determined to deal my 470 hp before I could get close. For a exploit, it was pretty well balanced in every regard besides the insane amounts of damage per hit, considering how UP melee is without it. Only talking about this because we can't seem to move on :/ No, I didn't read this BS. You don't compare INTENDED MECHANICS with NOT INTENDED MECHANICS. You glitched, equipping a gear is not glitching. There's no spamming improper control commands to get unintended results. If you seriously think firing a gun is the same thing as melee glitching then you're a serious r-tard. Ops - I did skim over what you said real quick and caught this: Quote:** When people started realizing they could SCAN me, call out my position verbally, and kill me quite easily as I run directly at them with 470hp, they started to realize they were just being stupid about it and that it wasn't as good as everyone thought. You know, when a heavy with nearly 1900 HP comes onto an objective where it's HMG is going to pound there's always the call out, "Heavy at X." But with you, it was "Arirana is in this area, keep scans up." Which meant, just for you and this 'not so good glitch' we had to dedicate entire call outs just for you - and waste a player making sure scans were up and you couldn't just jump in and slaughter us. Which you did - going 30+ kills constantly. A good many of those kills were stopping hacks, instantly. WHICH IS GAME CHANGING. I can survive 3 shots from a SG and still get my hacks off - not against your melee though. Also: Stop lying. Melee is amazing. It auto aims FOR YOU. You can quite literally be the worst player in the game - just get close enough and the melee will find it's target for you - long as you look at him. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.

Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 409	Posted - 2014.01.29 12:50:00 - [41] - Quote Kingseeker Kobra wrote: It's like having an unnerfed flaylock when everyone else's was nerfed, how can you possibly make that comparison? You glitch to win, spam equipment and play in SD to win, and now lock districts to win Yeah, nobody wants your opinion on anything Ever. Because people that were good with the core flaylock, most namely you and the Spec Op Cipher guy, were putting up very similar numbers to me, and the flaylock dealt insane amounts of cqc damage as well. Not only did the flaylock have more range than melee, but it didn't require speed or melee modules. There was no sacrifice besides being ineffective at long range, something the melee exploit had as well. Dual Flaylocks were capable of dishing out 300 dmg per missile, for 6-8 missiles with a very quick reload speed, at around 1-20m for EZness. The melee exploit dealt 454 dmg per hit, depending on how many melee dmg mods you had, and was capable of hitting someone up to 3 times a second, at 1m. It always came with a hp sacrifice, and always scannable, while core flaylock users could stealth. I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Long Evity 1345	Posted - 2014.01.29 12:56:00 - [42] - Quote Arirana wrote: Kingseeker Kobra wrote: It's like having an unnerfed flaylock when everyone else's was nerfed, how can you possibly make that comparison? You glitch to win, spam equipment and play in SD to win, and now lock districts to win Yeah, nobody wants your opinion on anything Ever. Because people that were good with the core flaylock, most namely you and the Spec Op Cipher guy, were putting up very similar numbers to me, and the flaylock dealt insane amounts of cqc damage as well. Not only did the flaylock have more range than melee, but it didn't require speed or melee modules. There was no sacrifice besides being ineffective at long range, something the melee exploit had as well. Dual Flaylocks were capable of dishing out 300 dmg per missile, for 6-8 missiles with a very quick reload speed, at around 1-20m for EZness. The melee exploit dealt 454 dmg per hit, depending on how many melee dmg mods you had, and was capable of hitting someone up to 3 times a second, at 1m. It always came with a hp sacrifice, and always scannable, while core flaylock users could stealth. Flaylock = Intended feature by CCP. They WANTED IT TO WORK THAT WAY. Melee glitching = not intended. They did NOT want it to work that way. Do you need things spelled out for you some more? It's bad enough that what you say is true - that CCP idea of balance is so bad that some weapons seem like cheating - but now you're trying to DEFEND what you did on the basis, "Well, other stuff is pretty cheap too, yo... even if they were intended features and what I did wasn't." I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Kingseeker Kobra Expert Intervention Caldari State 228	Posted - 2014.01.29 13:04:00 - [43] - Quote Arirana wrote: Kingseeker Kobra wrote: It's like having an unnerfed flaylock when everyone else's was nerfed, how can you possibly make that comparison? You glitch to win, spam equipment and play in SD to win, and now lock districts to win Yeah, nobody wants your opinion on anything Ever. Because people that were good with the core flaylock, most namely you and the Spec Op Cipher guy, were putting up very similar numbers to me, and the flaylock dealt insane amounts of cqc damage as well. Not only did the flaylock have more range than melee, but it didn't require speed or melee modules. There was no sacrifice besides being ineffective at long range, something the melee exploit had as well. Dual Flaylocks were capable of dishing out 300 dmg per missile, for 6-8 missiles with a very quick reload speed, at around 1-20m for EZness. The melee exploit dealt 454 dmg per hit, depending on how many melee dmg mods you had, and was capable of hitting someone up to 3 times a second, at 1m. It always came with a hp sacrifice, and always scannable, while core flaylock users could stealth. Except TTK was still high, so your attacks locked on, and you could do 2000 damage in a split second Yeah sounds just like the flaylock.......rite gais You're a moron. Ariana glitches 31 free kills and loses anyways, LMFAO @ AE GARBAGE
Ser Tarlon United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 109	Posted - 2014.01.29 16:22:00 - [44] - Quote Lol i never hit anything with melee and to be honest, you should always have your scans up, that's pretty basic arirana has a point with the range and that ****, but it's still a glitch not as bad as you say, but a glitch stays a glitch could you now get back to OP? Black, Red - Strength, Dead All i want to do is the Blutaar with you
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 410	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:55:00 - [45] - Quote lol you guys bring it up, but when I start talking about it you need to start rubbing your asses again. Just stay on topic then please I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 410	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:57:00 - [46] - Quote Kingseeker Kobra wrote: Arirana wrote: Kingseeker Kobra wrote: It's like having an unnerfed flaylock when everyone else's was nerfed, how can you possibly make that comparison? You glitch to win, spam equipment and play in SD to win, and now lock districts to win Yeah, nobody wants your opinion on anything Ever. Because people that were good with the core flaylock, most namely you and the Spec Op Cipher guy, were putting up very similar numbers to me, and the flaylock dealt insane amounts of cqc damage as well. Not only did the flaylock have more range than melee, but it didn't require speed or melee modules. There was no sacrifice besides being ineffective at long range, something the melee exploit had as well. Dual Flaylocks were capable of dishing out 300 dmg per missile, for 6-8 missiles with a very quick reload speed, at around 1-20m for EZness. The melee exploit dealt 454 dmg per hit, depending on how many melee dmg mods you had, and was capable of hitting someone up to 3 times a second, at 1m. It always came with a hp sacrifice, and always scannable, while core flaylock users could stealth. Except TTK was still high, so your attacks locked on, and you could do 2000 damage in a split second Yeah sounds just like the flaylock.......rite gais You're a moron. 1500 dmg in 1 second. That was the fastest I could get it. Flaylock was up to 1200 dps, at 1-20m, not 1 I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 757	Posted - 2014.01.29 21:59:00 - [47] - Quote Arirana wrote: lol you guys bring it up, but when I start talking about it you need to start rubbing your asses again. Hey there pretty lady. Keep rubbing that. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 410	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:01:00 - [48] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Arirana wrote: Kingseeker Kobra wrote: It's like having an unnerfed flaylock when everyone else's was nerfed, how can you possibly make that comparison? You glitch to win, spam equipment and play in SD to win, and now lock districts to win Yeah, nobody wants your opinion on anything Ever. Because people that were good with the core flaylock, most namely you and the Spec Op Cipher guy, were putting up very similar numbers to me, and the flaylock dealt insane amounts of cqc damage as well. Not only did the flaylock have more range than melee, but it didn't require speed or melee modules. There was no sacrifice besides being ineffective at long range, something the melee exploit had as well. Dual Flaylocks were capable of dishing out 300 dmg per missile, for 6-8 missiles with a very quick reload speed, at around 1-20m for EZness. The melee exploit dealt 454 dmg per hit, depending on how many melee dmg mods you had, and was capable of hitting someone up to 3 times a second, at 1m. It always came with a hp sacrifice, and always scannable, while core flaylock users could stealth. Flaylock = Intended feature by CCP. They WANTED IT TO WORK THAT WAY. Melee glitching = not intended. They did NOT want it to work that way. Do you need things spelled out for you some more? It's bad enough that what you say is true - that CCP idea of balance is so bad that some weapons seem like cheating - but now you're trying to DEFEND what you did on the basis, "Well, other stuff is pretty cheap too, yo... even if they were intended features and what I did wasn't." btw sota I two hit the colossal titan on normal mode :p I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Long Evity 1374	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:13:00 - [49] - Quote Arirana wrote: Long Evity wrote: Arirana wrote: Kingseeker Kobra wrote: It's like having an unnerfed flaylock when everyone else's was nerfed, how can you possibly make that comparison? You glitch to win, spam equipment and play in SD to win, and now lock districts to win Yeah, nobody wants your opinion on anything Ever. Because people that were good with the core flaylock, most namely you and the Spec Op Cipher guy, were putting up very similar numbers to me, and the flaylock dealt insane amounts of cqc damage as well. Not only did the flaylock have more range than melee, but it didn't require speed or melee modules. There was no sacrifice besides being ineffective at long range, something the melee exploit had as well. Dual Flaylocks were capable of dishing out 300 dmg per missile, for 6-8 missiles with a very quick reload speed, at around 1-20m for EZness. The melee exploit dealt 454 dmg per hit, depending on how many melee dmg mods you had, and was capable of hitting someone up to 3 times a second, at 1m. It always came with a hp sacrifice, and always scannable, while core flaylock users could stealth. Flaylock = Intended feature by CCP. They WANTED IT TO WORK THAT WAY. Melee glitching = not intended. They did NOT want it to work that way. Do you need things spelled out for you some more? It's bad enough that what you say is true - that CCP idea of balance is so bad that some weapons seem like cheating - but now you're trying to DEFEND what you did on the basis, "Well, other stuff is pretty cheap too, yo... even if they were intended features and what I did wasn't." btw sota I two hit the colossal titan on normal mode :p Did you run up and melee him? Lol <3 I can't wait for FF14 to be on PS4 so I can join in the fun. I have it for PS3 - but client won't instal.. :'( I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.


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