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Vrain Matari wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

Atiim wrote:

How about we raise TTK and scrap the whole MLT < STD < ADV < PRO idea and tiericide Dropsuits already?

I don't like the idea of tiercide simply because of reduced customization, and lack of something to look forward to for new players. When I started playing, i got stomped in every single match i was in, but i kept playing because i knew that one day i would have the gear to kill all of the people killing me

I agree in the sense that we were all able to hump it up that hill, and the sense of accomplishment when you can finally stand your own ground in this game is very real(but diminished by 2nd-rate mechanics, alas).

I love the brutally uphill challenge and it bothers me that in our condescending concern for the new players we assume that they don't have what it takes to do what we have done. It's a safe bet to say that almost every vet of this game has by now rolled a new character and faced the meat grinder again, but with the benefit of experience under their belts - and found the process not so bad at all.

I am not saying that IWS's system is a bad one, and there are definitely better ways to implement tiers and specializations than what we have at present, but i am saying that we are losing something important with what IWS is proposing, and when we throw out tiered suits we will be throwing away a very real part of DUST's unique identity.

And it won't stop pubstomping at all. Not one iota.

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Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1140	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:35:00 - [31] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: If TTK increases for STD and ADV suits, then the time it will take to down them will increase as well. Hence it won't really matter in the end. Meow NO. If I have a longer TTK then I have a longer time to react to someone trying to ambush me. Those depending on short TTK for instagib ambushes find with a longer TTK it comes down more to player skill than to who shoots who first. Also a longer TTK brings out who has gungame and who was depending on a short TTK to cover no gungame. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1550	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:36:00 - [32] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Cat Merc wrote: If TTK increases for STD and ADV suits, then the time it will take to down them will increase as well. Hence it won't really matter in the end. Meow NO. If I have a longer TTK then I have a longer time to react to someone trying to ambush me. Those depending on short TTK for instagib ambushes find with a longer TTK it comes down more to player skill than to who shoots who first. Also a longer TTK brings out who has gungame and who was depending on a short TTK to cover no gungame. That's exactly what I posted right now:D Tank 514.
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4042	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:38:00 - [33] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Cause you might just get it. Higher time to kill = harder to kill a PRO = more Protostomping = more people leaving. I actually kind of agree. While running mostly in my 204 HP scout there is nothing i wish for more than quickly killing someone from behind. Nothing is worst than shooting someone TWICE in the back with a Shotgun and he survives only to turn around and kill me..... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1673	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:41:00 - [34] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Are you advocating for a quicker TTK? No, I think it's pretty fine right now, maybe a bit (and, seriously, a bit) higher would be better, but knowing ccp, it would take half an hour and three STD to take out a PRO. So, just leave it as it is, no? It's a fair point, but really at the moment is ridiculously short, Unique weapons don't get a look in because there is too much skill involved. With a slightly hogher TTK skill is also a bit more relevant, repping becomes relevant. As CCP REMNANT said. "We don't want TTK to high such that 2 people spend 3 mags jumping around each other in circles until one of them is finally put out of their misery, but at the same time we want it long enough that skill, health, damage profiles and even reps are relevant in combat situations" Slightly paraphrased Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1141	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:41:00 - [35] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: Vell0cet wrote: TTK was close to perfect in 1.4-1.5 (maybe a touch too low) nerf base damage on racial ARs and SMGs so the TTK was close to where they were in 1.4-1.5 and we'll be in good shape. The other weapons will be indirectly buffed as they will be no longer overshadowed by the weapons balanced around bad hit detection that has since been fixed. Regarding stomping, the best solution is an optional 2nd tier academy mode for players under 5 mill SP. New players would have a safer playground to play in and build up some skills, and vets can enjoy deep and interesting combat with a variety of fittings, and tiers of gear for different situations. This is dust not the petting zoo. Adapt to survive, 5.7 mil sp down the line i frequently get a 20+Kd despite an unfair playing field NO. This is not PCland where consoles never get an expiration support date by the platform manufacturer. In console land theres a finite expiration support date for these consoles. Saying go away to new players is killing the games chances for GROWTH. Saying go away to new players is killing the games RETENTION rates. Thats why the playerbase is so SMALL. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 174	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:44:00 - [36] - Quote People think adjusting ttk is the way to go. Why? of course you are dying fast if you are stupid. Stop running full sprint every where you go. Take cover. Aim. Drop a few damage mods. Use lavs to cross fields. Cover your team mates, suppressing fire is amazing. Stop cooking your grenades in the open, you can throw them over cover. Gimping ttk is only going to make the gap between dropsuit levels wider. If you think protos are tough now wait until it takes a whole squad to bring one of us down. All the while we will be murdering your friends. One by one you will come back here crying and begging ccp to make your weapons stronger. I am the real Darken
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1600	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:50:00 - [37] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Cause you might just get it. Higher time to kill = harder to kill a PRO = more Protostomping = more people leaving. I actually kind of agree. While running mostly in my 204 HP scout there is nothing i wish for more than quickly killing someone from behind. Nothing is worst than shooting someone TWICE in the back with a Shotgun and he survives only to turn around and kill me..... Yes, I know this feeling all to well. But this comes down to the gentle balance that needs to be taken into account. Higher TTK, balanced with CQC alpha damage should actually make this better. If Alpha Damage weapons that require close range (NK,SG, Pistols, FL.. etc) are balanced then a high TTK gives you the time to get that third shot off that should end the engagement. The trick is balancing that factor out. Getting in to an effective range with a short range weapon needs to be effective, the current TTK does not actually allow for those weapons to be as effective as they should be. I've been RRed when using a SG at point blank, this is counter to the way the weapons are designed to work, and TTK damage balance has a hand in it. If it is balanced carefully it will work, we don't need extremely high or low TTK, we need the correct balance that makes weapons function in the capacities that they are supposed to. I think this is what CCP has been trying to do, and why it is taking so long to implement, they want to get it right and I can't fault them for that. It is an easy thing to change TTK but a complex problem to actually balance. KRRROOOOOOM
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1673	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:51:00 - [38] - Quote DustMercsBlog wrote: TTK is fine. Its nice to see new players able to compete with higher gear. The only people complaining are bothered their KDRs are dropping. They can longer take a full clip from a new player...turn around, and one shot them. Gunfights are no longer 3 minute bunny hop sessions and the game is better as a result. My kdr has gone up since 1.4 I changed to mlt frontline suits, I am not happy with current average. It needs to be readjusted, not by much no more than -20% at the very most. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1142	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:52:00 - [39] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: People think adjusting ttk is the way to go. Why? of course you are dying fast if you are stupid. Stop running full sprint every where you go. Take cover. Aim. Drop a few damage mods. Use lavs to cross fields. Cover your team mates, suppressing fire is amazing. Stop cooking your grenades in the open, you can throw them over cover. Gimping ttk is only going to make the gap between dropsuit levels wider. If you think protos are tough now wait until it takes a whole squad to bring one of us down. All the while we will be murdering your friends. One by one you will come back here crying and begging ccp to make your weapons stronger. Scout+cloak+RE waits for Darken to pass....boom!!+50 Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Rusty Shallows 914	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:05:00 - [40] - Quote ugg reset wrote: Atiim wrote: How about we raise TTK and scrap the whole MLT < STD < ADV < PRO idea and tiericide Dropsuits already? You're Right. that would get rid of proto stomping and replace it with regular stomping . Good teamwork beats ISK everyday of the week. Proto still makes it significantly easier. Just ask the sniper using four or five complex damage modes killing some cheap fits in single center of mass shots. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game

Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 332	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:08:00 - [41] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: ugg reset wrote: Atiim wrote: How about we raise TTK and scrap the whole MLT < STD < ADV < PRO idea and tiericide Dropsuits already? You're Right. that would get rid of proto stomping and replace it with regular stomping . Good teamwork beats ISK everyday of the week. Proto still makes it significantly easier. Just ask the sniper using four or five complex damage modes killing some cheap fits in single center of mass shots. Is it bad that my Templar ScR with 2 mlt blueprint damage mods dose that with a simple charge shot? Yet they need proto sniper rifles and complex mods? When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 176	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:21:00 - [42] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: People think adjusting ttk is the way to go. Why? of course you are dying fast if you are stupid. Stop running full sprint every where you go. Take cover. Aim. Drop a few damage mods. Use lavs to cross fields. Cover your team mates, suppressing fire is amazing. Stop cooking your grenades in the open, you can throw them over cover. Gimping ttk is only going to make the gap between dropsuit levels wider. If you think protos are tough now wait until it takes a whole squad to bring one of us down. All the while we will be murdering your friends. One by one you will come back here crying and begging ccp to make your weapons stronger. Scout+cloak+RE waits for Darken to pass....boom!!+50 I doubt it. I lead with my gun, you will still show up red as I pass my reticle over you. ScP to the face for those cowards hiding in the corner. I am the real Darken
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1145	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:22:00 - [43] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Are you advocating for a quicker TTK? No, I think it's pretty fine right now, maybe a bit (and, seriously, a bit) higher would be better, but knowing ccp, it would take half an hour and three STD to take out a PRO. So, just leave it as it is, no? most of you guys probably don't remember firing entire clips of primary and secondary weapons only to have your opponents charging and repping back to full health and strafing thru the next barrage. Or bullets that magically disappear at 30m. It was the stupidest time in dust history, your crying about ttk is what brought that about. NO. Things did not evolve to that state. Things WERE that state in the BEGINNING. And the Gods of CCP said let there be Dust! And when there was Dust the Gods of CCP said let there be Agents!! And there were Agents!! Agent Smith with a proto scout suit and a Creodron AR doing the Neo dodging past entire clips of HMG rounds being fired. Then much later the Gods of CCP said let the time of the Agents be over and thus Call of Dust : NOOB 514 was born. With very short TTK . Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1146	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:31:00 - [44] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: People think adjusting ttk is the way to go. Why? of course you are dying fast if you are stupid. Stop running full sprint every where you go. Take cover. Aim. Drop a few damage mods. Use lavs to cross fields. Cover your team mates, suppressing fire is amazing. Stop cooking your grenades in the open, you can throw them over cover. Gimping ttk is only going to make the gap between dropsuit levels wider. If you think protos are tough now wait until it takes a whole squad to bring one of us down. All the while we will be murdering your friends. One by one you will come back here crying and begging ccp to make your weapons stronger. Scout+cloak+RE waits for Darken to pass....boom!!+50 I doubt it. I lead with my gun, you will still show up red as I pass my reticle over you. ScP to the face for those cowards hiding in the corner. You mean like that time I deployed a nanohive then deployed some RE inside it? Then somebody??(wonder who?) saw that nanohive and shot at it and the RE went BOOOOM!!!! +50...lol!! Or try not to hack any tanks.....lol!!! WHY? pile of proxys .......call in tank......park tank on pile of proxies.......wait until reds hack.....BOOM +50, +50,+50 Was that you that died when that tank died?? And if it was then nothing personal..K? I just like setting traps. Abandoned red LAV? check!! hack it??? ummm maybe not a good idea??? Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 231	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:37:00 - [45] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Cause you might just get it. Higher time to kill = harder to kill a PRO = more Protostomping = more people leaving. The massive armor and shield amps of late were results of the decreased TTK... When TTK improves their armor will be reduced to fit. What shield amps? there have been nothing but a small but steady stream of shield nerfs.
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 178	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:39:00 - [46] - Quote @^ why are you bragging about instakilling and crying about time to kill in the same thread? not u Asha ^^him I am the real Darken
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1147	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:43:00 - [47] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: @^ why are you bragging about instakilling and crying about time to kill in the same thread? The gungame is gone and out to lunch with short ttk. With a longer TTK then it comes down to who can track better in CQC since depending on AA will just get folks killed. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 178	Posted - 2014.01.27 00:46:00 - [48] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: @^ why are you bragging about instakilling and crying about time to kill in the same thread? The gungame is gone and out to lunch with short ttk. With a longer TTK then it comes down to who can track better in CQC since depending on AA will just get folks killed. what cqc? Have you played Dust lately? Its rail on rail I am the real Darken
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1148	Posted - 2014.01.27 01:31:00 - [49] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: @^ why are you bragging about instakilling and crying about time to kill in the same thread? The gungame is gone and out to lunch with short ttk. With a longer TTK then it comes down to who can track better in CQC since depending on AA will just get folks killed. what cqc? Have you played Dust lately? Its rail on rail I said no to FOTM RR and instead tried my shotgun build.....a RR killed me at 1m range....bah!! But yeah its just rail on rail thanks to short TTK since otherwise theres time to get some shots in with the shotgun with longer TTK. In otherwords not even uprising pissed me off as much as 1.7 short ttk RR and CR Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 07:50:00 - [50] - Quote Atiim wrote: How about we raise TTK and scrap the whole MLT < STD < ADV < PRO idea and tiericide Dropsuits already? that would also fix a lot of balancing issues with scouts and heavies as well. I mean you every try to fight a std heavy in std gear? its a night mare(as it should be) you ever try to fight a pro heavy in pro gear?? its ***** laughable even with the recent buffs to heavies. same thing but opposite for scouts, STD scouts are absolute garbage just to bring them in line in the proto tier. if ever you see STD scouts functional again look out proto will be FOTM un-*** stopable. with more time to kill skill actually has more time to overcome fitting advantages unless those advantages are a 100% increase in tank and a 20-40% increase in damage. I mean that's just shy of getting the barrel of health and the shield belt in unreal, which is about the point that you go "I'm gonna ** me half a team", and promptly do so, could you imagine playing unreal where a third of the opposing team spawns in with that every time, and reps back up to that in a minute, less with proper support?

hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 08:06:00 - [51] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Cause you wight just get it. Higher time to kill = harder to kill a PRO = more Protostomping = more people leaving. This is true. Strafers and bunnyhoppers are licking their chops right now, quivering with maniacal and barely-contained noob bloodlust. If only CCP could take a look at the obviously failed matchmaker. To quote Richard Feynman on the matter: 'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.' I think it's time to let this matchmaker go. For those who like to point out that server population numbers are too low for our current matchmaker to work: If you were given access to all the stats CCP has, and with only pencil and paper and as much time as you needed(since you're not a superfast machine), could you pick a better roster than the matchmaker does? If your answer is yes then we're justified in holding the matchmaker to a higher standard. I wish people would stop this idiocy that is asking for a better match maker.......WE DO NOT HAVE THE PLAYER BASE!!!......Even the most perfectly omniscient god like matchmaking machine would be hard pressed to make balanced matches with the tiny play base we have, some hours of the day we can't even fill the matches we have. You want better balanced matches??? hope you like waiting 5-10 minutes for a match. Just stop waiting for matchmaking to fix things for us its not gonna happen until we get more players and that's not gonna happen until NPE isn't a pile of **. so stop trying to defend your OP gear and lets *** fix the god damn game for real. HEY CCP that means an academy that isn't *** pointless would be helpful, how about leaving it as an option, after the current WP cap when they join every one else, until they achieve a certain WP/match average, cherry picked from their top 10-20 matches??? RUN ON ***** SENTENCES!!!!!!!!
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 08:10:00 - [52] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Atiim wrote: How about we raise TTK and scrap the whole MLT < STD < ADV < PRO idea and tiericide Dropsuits already? I don't like the idea of tiercide simply because of reduced customization, and lack of something to look forward to for new players. When I started playing, i got stomped in every single match i was in, but i kept playing because i knew that one day i would have the gear to kill all of the people killing me all its taking is the dropsuits not every thing else, and ideally their will be more/and more interesting dropsuit for it. also you would till get the skill bonuses.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 08:13:00 - [53] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Atiim wrote: How about we raise TTK and scrap the whole MLT < STD < ADV < PRO idea and tiericide Dropsuits already? I don't like the idea of tiercide simply because of reduced customization, and lack of something to look forward to for new players. When I started playing, i got stomped in every single match i was in, but i kept playing because i knew that one day i would have the gear to kill all of the people killing me I agree in the sense that we were all able to hump it up that hill, and the sense of accomplishment when you can finally stand your own ground in this game is very real(but diminished by 2nd-rate mechanics, alas). I love the brutally uphill challenge and it bothers me that in our condescending concern for the new players we assume that they don't have what it takes to do what we have done. It's a safe bet to say that almost every vet of this game has by now rolled a new character and faced the meat grinder again, but with the benefit of experience under their belts - and found the process not so bad at all. I am not saying that IWS's system is a bad one, and there are definitely better ways to implement tiers and specializations than what we have at present, but i am saying that we are losing something important with what IWS is proposing, and when we throw out tiered suits we will be throwing away a very real part of DUST's unique identity. And it won't stop pubstomping at all. Not one iota. nor should it but it will bring it more in line with the Idea of paying for an edge not a victory which is the current status quo, which would also diminish the amount run per match becuase why waste the isk unless you need that edge.
Yokal Bob G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 314	Posted - 2014.01.27 08:14:00 - [54] - Quote Atiim wrote: How about we raise TTK and scrap the whole MLT < STD < ADV < PRO idea and tiericide Dropsuits already? Then what would people have to work towards? CPM1 candidate
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1506	Posted - 2014.01.27 08:18:00 - [55] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: a high ttk works both ways, it helps STDs from getting instagibbed by rail rifles Yeah but its going to be harder for them to track me for 2 seconds then it is for me to track THEM for those 2 seconds that they live longer. Instagib works both ways, if am caugth unaware, i can get killed before i can react, if i have 2 seconds before the guy can eat through my suit while i am standing still, the second i move, his damage output drops, i do a quick 180, aim and kill him. At least thats how it used to go, i could run numerous games with 20-30 kills and not a single death, with the low TTK i cannot avoid dying to a random unnoticed red dot flanking me. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 08:18:00 - [56] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: Atiim wrote: How about we raise TTK and scrap the whole MLT < STD < ADV < PRO idea and tiericide Dropsuits already? Then what would people have to work towards? the bonuses on the suit the weapons and modules and core skills, all of which is still tiered. Not to mention that their will be other suits to bonus up that are more powerful but more specialized.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 988	Posted - 2014.01.27 08:18:00 - [57] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Cause you might just get it. Higher time to kill = harder to kill a PRO = more Protostomping = more people leaving. If the general TTK is raised then both will equally get longer.... this is a confusing concept how?
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness 1062	Posted - 2014.01.27 08:19:00 - [58] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Are you advocating for a quicker TTK? No, I think it's pretty fine right now, maybe a bit (and, seriously, a bit) higher would be better, but knowing ccp, it would take half an hour and three STD to take out a PRO. So, just leave it as it is, no? To late. Going by what we have heard so far, they are going to increase it by making the weapon proficiency skill only apply to the weapon's strengths. So if it is a weapon that gets a bonus to shields, then proficiency will apply toward that bonus toward shields, but not toward armor. Personally, I think this is going to be terrible. Guess we'll have to wait to find out. Also, heavies are getting quite large tank bonuses, and the Gallente and Caldari assaults are getting a bonus to their respective HP mod strengths. {:)}{3GÇó>
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 249	Posted - 2014.01.27 08:21:00 - [59] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Are you advocating for a quicker TTK? No, I think it's pretty fine right now, maybe a bit (and, seriously, a bit) higher would be better, but knowing ccp, it would take half an hour and three STD to take out a PRO. So, just leave it as it is, no? Yeah and pro are WAY to squishy as it is. It cost like 10 times more then advanced so yeah a pro should have advanced for dinner and milita/standard as a snack PROTO 4 THE WIN a game mode where proto is banned is better and would help the new players getting things started. War never changes
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 250	Posted - 2014.01.27 08:22:00 - [60] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Are you advocating for a quicker TTK? No, I think it's pretty fine right now, maybe a bit (and, seriously, a bit) higher would be better, but knowing ccp, it would take half an hour and three STD to take out a PRO. So, just leave it as it is, no? most of you guys probably don't remember firing entire clips of primary and secondary weapons only to have your opponents charging and repping back to full health and strafing thru the next barrage. Or bullets that magically disappear at 30m. It was the stupidest time in dust history, your crying about ttk is what brought that about. ummm no that's pretty much how it was in the beginning, cries about TTK didn't come until they fixed all of that although I do remember a bunch of posts about shooting nerf darts from people like you and thats what gave us our current status quo, mostly from people who couldn't shoot I remember lots of corp matches where you would be laser lined by AR rounds and die in roughly the same amount of time you do now. frankly I still play in those days because, while you laser line me I have to work for my kills, thanks to KB&M being broken AND with out AA.



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