Extenders? Yes, a few points less and a few less CPU while boosting the hp granted by them should bring them in line with armour plates.

<---armour tanker in a fallen the suit.

Extenders? Yes, a few points less and a few less CPU while boosting the hp granted by them should bring them in line with armour plates.

<---armour tanker in a gallente the suit.

Basic shield extender 22 HP? seriously? Shields right now have issues.
Enhanced is 33Hp?

shield mods are supposed to be shield heavy, and armor mods are supposed to be pg heavy. Thusly, armor tankers have more pg on their suits, and shield tankers have more cpu.

So reduce pg use on extenders, give them a health buff (44, 66, 88 imo) and for God's sake, un nerf the CalLogi's cpu. Especially with the huge changes in 1.8 coming.

Basic shield extender 22 HP? seriously? Shields right now have issues.
Enhanced is 33Hp?

Basic shield extender 22 HP? seriously? Shields right now have issues.
Enhanced is 33Hp?

It's pretty hilarious really that a ADV shield extender can take maaaybe 1 bullet. lol Why bother.

Shields Armor
STD 22 85
ADV 33 110
PRO 66 135


yeah, i see which one I would pick at every single tier.

If they should be compared to anything it should be reactive plates, as they too have innate regen capabilities.

Please comment. Currently, proto shield extenders take up 11 pg and 54 cpu and give less hp than basic armor plates. They do however have better resistances to the best guns in the game (combat and rail rifle), however, to counter that there are flux grenades which have a massive explosive radius. I personally believe that they should have their pg requirements reduced, as they cost so much more cpu than their armor counterparts to have only one less pg than them, but I am also biased as I run a minmitar scout and need the extra pg for fittings :P. Please tell me what you guys think.

Shield extenders should stay the same exept Enhanced => 44hp.


But Plates need to change :
Hp value stay the same BUT they all got 5% of speed penality. (More intresting to fit complex that takes 12 PG).

Ferroscales and Reactive should cost the same PG/CPU than Regular plates.
Ferroscales don't have speed penality but have Low Hp.
Reactives are Mid-Hp but repair 1/2hp/s. => For future Gallente 3 Reactives and a Complex Repair.

Shields should have a passive recharge, not like we currently have where it can be stopped by a bullet, but like EvE where you have to apply enough DPS to break the tank.

Shield users also need passive resist modules.

Or you could compare it to armor plates on any suit with equipment slots for a armor hive that will rep you faster than shields, and doesn't stop when you are hit by a bullet

Whoah, are you guys seriously complaining about shields adding less than armor?

Shields can be extended less because your shields comes back fast once it starts to, and has resistance to more things than armor does. So obviously it would be fair to have less of it. Where as armor returns rather slowly.
It's just a matter of fairness.

On a personal note, I've stacked 2 Enhanced Shield Extenders on a lot of suits, and through experimenting learned that having a Complex + Basic takes up the same amount of space, but adds more shield. However this should stay as it is. It's an incentive to get Complex instead of stopping at level 3.

Also, I've always liked the idea of infantry getting Resistance Modifiers like vehicles did before the update, but it would be horribly abused unless there was a severe stacking penalty or inabilty to have more than one at once.

I dont have issues with shields only thing that irks me is that enhanced exts are crap...it should be 44 not 33..................22 44 66 logical...22 33 66 is not

I use Caldari Suits

So what you really want is external support for shield tank?

Cool, why didn't you say so in the first place?

I didn't really hot any bumps fitting my extenders, but it sucks that unless you have complex, they're useless.

Do you run a scout/ commando suit?

Gallente Scout. Still useless and fitting them isn't much of a problem.

Here is the main problems with Shields vs. Armor.

1.) Cost CPU/PG per eHP
Okay, here is the conversion rate. Most suits run between 4-5x CPU per PG. Taking that into effect, lets make a universal cost number. CPU is the base unit, and PG is 4.5 Unit per PG point.

So here are the universal costs of shields and armor modules, with an eHP ratio attached to it (eHP / Universal cost = eHP per unit)

Basic extender: 24 eHP / 31.5 U = 0.76 HP per unit.
Basic Plate: 93 eHP / 19 = 4.9 HP per unit.

Adv Extender: 36 eHP / 63 U = 0.57 HP per Unit
Adv Plate: 121 eHP / 47 U = 2.57 HP per Unit

Complex Extender: 73 eHP / 103.5 U = 0.71 HP per Unit
Complex Plate: 148 eHP / 84 U = 1.76 HP per Unit

See the problem? This is the appeal of armor tanking. You get the most HP for your CPU/PG with armor tanking.

2.) Speed Penalties

Basic Plate: 2%
Adv Plate: 3%
Complex Plate: 5%

Let the record state this: A complex Plate's sprint speed penalty can be offset by a SINGLE BASIC KINCAT.
Try this, take a Min scout and put on a complex plate. Look at it's sprint speed, and then put on a basic Kincat. It jumps back up to 8.3, which is 0.01 m/s slower than where it was in the first place.

It is so easy to fix the speed penalties on armor suits, and made easier due to the fact that armor suits typically have higher PG than shield suits, which makes almost no sense, as you will see in part 3.

3.) PG and CPU costs compared to eachother.
Seems redundant, but it's not.

Shield Modules are supposed to be high CPU, low PG right?
Armor Modules are supposed to be low CPU, High PG right?

WRONG AND WRONG.

Look at the earlier stats. Basic Extenders cost 3x more PG than a basic plate, and 8 more CPU. Adv Plates and Adv Extenders are equal in PG while Complex only has a 1 PG difference.

The CK.0 and GK.0 Assault have the same base CPU/PG stats, but the Gallente will always have an easier time PG wise, due to their eHP modules costing far less on their fit (see part 1.). Shield modules are harder to fit, give you less eHP, and their supporting modules are so CPU heavy, you almost have to use a low slot to give yourself the CPU you need (90 CPU for a complex Energizer, but a Complex armor rep costs less CPU than an extender and the same PG.)

4.) Shield Regen isn't enough to save the shields.
I could go on about this for ages. Shield regen is the only saving grace for a shield tank, as it literally beats armor rep silly in time to regen. However, armor tanks almost always run around with either logi's or rep hives, negating this downfall, and shield regen simply isn't fast enough for a frontline suit.

Which is why everyone armor tanks Armor suits and Dual Tanks Shield suits. Simply because eHP armor modules are more effective in your lows than Regulators or Kincats (The two "biggest strengths" of shield tanks are regen time and mobility. Speed won't let you avoid fire, and the Regulators don't give enough of a bonus.)

I'd rather see increased pg requirements for plates.

Currently it costs 30 cpu and 3 pg for almost 300 hp of armor (with bonuses of course)
Yet you only get 22 shield for about that much -_-