You can easily turn a profit with advanced gear.
You're not meant to turn a profit with prototype gear.

The average match should payout 500 k instead of the current average of 200-300k its nearly impossible to generate isk in ubs using anything other than basic gear

You can easily turn a profit with advanced gear.
You're not meant to turn a profit with prototype gear.

Vehicles can
If you do good in proto you should profit, slightly at least

Well fit Vehicles cost around half a mill ISK (admittedly the militia vehicles and modules need to be removed, or reduced in functionality as they are simply too powerful to have with 0 SP investment).. they lose 1, and they lose profit... Sure if they don't die they turn a profit, but Dropsuits are the same there.

If anything the ISK pay outs are sometimes too high, allowing Prototype Usage more than it really should.

corps could spam proto while other people cant, it hurts non farmers
dropsuits die easier than vehicles

Then the answer is to help put a hold on the ISK farms, not increase the pay outs, which would only help the farmers more.

Or just let people us proto to compete without going so isk negative

We should be getting at least 300k if we were decent
Decent is now 179k
You have to get 3000 wp to get any isk

Untrue. I routinely get 300k isk in matches often with out breaking 3k wp. The trick is that ISK payout is not a direct link to the WP you earned or the amount of time you spent in game. ISK payout also partially depends on your how your WP earnings stack up against your team mates'. If you are in first place the larger the gap between you and the next closest player the more sp you seem to get.

To the OP do you really want me earning more isk? At 500k a match I would never run out of isk even running proto all the time. I am one of the poorer vets at 100 mil. and I already have absolutely no trouble running any fit I want in any battle and still turning a profit in in the long run. A higher isk payout would only really benefit those of use who are already loaded.

If anything newer players would benefit more from having the maximum payout for a match more closely resemble that of the lowest possible payout. By lowering the income disparity the suit disparity between older players and newer players in pubs would also be reduced.

During beta CCP actually flattened out the damage of weapons between tiers since proto was overwhelmingly better than standard (it was far more dramatic than the difference is now). This had the effect of balancing out the game since proto was no longer an "I win button." Isk needs to be given the same treatment. Currently the lowest payed player will make around 60k isk if they are in the match from the start and totally worthless as far as play is concerned. The best players though can make almost a million isk per match (talk to Zero Bloom about that one, he earned over 900k isk in a single match and yes there are pictures but I can't be bothered to grab them from our facebook page). That kind of income disparity leads to people being able to overpower enemies with no regard for their finances. Sure, they might loose isk every few games running all proto, but in general they will come out ahead.

PC is another reason for the massive wealth disparity in the game but that is a whole nother can 'o worms that dosen't need to be opened here.

TL;DR
ISK earning should actually all be lowered so that there is less of a difference between the best player on a team and the worst player.

Currently the lowest payed player will make around 60k isk if they are in the match from the start and totally worthless as far as play is concerned.

You can easily turn a profit with advanced gear.
You're not meant to turn a profit with prototype gear.

Vehicles can
If you do good in proto you should profit, slightly at least

i think the point he is trying to make is grinding should never be a intentional GAME mechanic. becuse its a GAME there should be challenge, but there should be a GRIND because unless you are a fluffy lombax wearing grind boots on a grind rail GRINDING ISNT FUN. now NoxMort3m would that be a better way of putting it?

The average match should payout 500 k instead of the current average of 200-300k its nearly impossible to generate isk in ubs using anything other than basic gear

play more conservatively, and it's easy to make profit in adv gear, I personally have given away over 100m ISK and still have 100 m for myself.

Use cheaper gear if you can't sustain it.

I shouldnt have to use basic every match make a profit and that almost promises a loss, victoris should a highe payout so if i die ten times in my proto heavy kepping the leter blue i should get nearly enough isk to pay for it,same for advanced or basic when i go 50/20 fighting for the win,

The ideal of not making a profit for running proto is designed to level the playing field in pub matches. The issue is not the payout from the pub matches, it's the other ISK faucets. People who have been playing this game for the entire year, have been in PC, have hundreds of millions of ISK.

This means that practically from now until they decide to leave they could run proto, even at a loss.

Increasing the ISK payouts from Public Matches only feeds this fuel, and makes them capable for longer.

The ISK faucets need to be less, not more, that way these guys who are capable of running Proto 'forever' will not be able to run it as long.

Also, besides Gear, there are very few ISK faucets. One of the many reasons why I believe that Corporate Bases and other 'aesthetic' items should be introduced as ISK sinks.
I disagree but it still stands that a good fight will result in ten advanced deaths and in most cases the top six players do not make more isk than they lost getting the victory for the oher ten players

tl:dr
Make pay outs less, and give us more stuff we 'want' to spend ISK on.

I shouldnt have to use basic every match make a profit and that almost promises a loss, victoris should a highe payout so if i die ten times in my proto heavy kepping the leter blue i should get nearly enough isk to pay for it,same for advanced or basic when i go 50/20 fighting for the win,

The ideal of not making a profit for running proto is designed to level the playing field in pub matches. The issue is not the payout from the pub matches, it's the other ISK faucets. People who have been playing this game for the entire year, have been in PC, have hundreds of millions of ISK.

This means that practically from now until they decide to leave they could run proto, even at a loss.

Increasing the ISK payouts from Public Matches only feeds this fuel, and makes them capable for longer.

The ISK faucets need to be less, not more, that way these guys who are capable of running Proto 'forever' will not be able to run it as long.

Also, besides Gear, there are very few ISK faucets. One of the many reasons why I believe that Corporate Bases and other 'aesthetic' items should be introduced as ISK sinks.

tl:dr
Make pay outs less, and give us more stuff we 'want' to spend ISK on.

Terrible
The payouts are pure **** right now