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NoxMort3m
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Posted - 2014.01.24 23:36:00 -
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The average match should payout 500 k instead of the current average of 200-300k its nearly impossible to generate isk in ubs using anything other than basic gear
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NoxMort3m
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Posted - 2014.01.25 04:54:00 -
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Im not saying that you cant im saying its hard, i dont know how expensive yout suits are but if i die three times in my adbancee suit i dont make any isk on the match, i can die once in proto,8 in basic. With most matches id say i get five deaths, if im in basic ill be like 40/10 even in basic a 300k. Payout is not enough, especially if i lost all that getting a win
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Posted - 2014.01.26 02:21:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:NoxMort3m wrote:The average match should payout 500 k instead of the current average of 200-300k its nearly impossible to generate isk in ubs using anything other than basic gear play more conservatively, and it's easy to make profit in adv gear, I personally have given away over 100m ISK and still have 100 m for myself. Use cheaper gear if you can't sustain it. I shouldnt have to use basic every match make a profit and that almost promises a loss, victoris should a highe payout so if i die ten times in my proto heavy kepping the leter blue i should get nearly enough isk to pay for it,same for advanced or basic when i go 50/20 fighting for the win,
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Posted - 2014.01.26 03:35:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:NoxMort3m wrote:Heavenly Daughter wrote:NoxMort3m wrote:The average match should payout 500 k instead of the current average of 200-300k its nearly impossible to generate isk in ubs using anything other than basic gear play more conservatively, and it's easy to make profit in adv gear, I personally have given away over 100m ISK and still have 100 m for myself. Use cheaper gear if you can't sustain it. I shouldnt have to use basic every match make a profit and that almost promises a loss, victoris should a highe payout so if i die ten times in my proto heavy kepping the leter blue i should get nearly enough isk to pay for it,same for advanced or basic when i go 50/20 fighting for the win, The ideal of not making a profit for running proto is designed to level the playing field in pub matches. The issue is not the payout from the pub matches, it's the other ISK faucets. People who have been playing this game for the entire year, have been in PC, have hundreds of millions of ISK. This means that practically from now until they decide to leave they could run proto, even at a loss. Increasing the ISK payouts from Public Matches only feeds this fuel, and makes them capable for longer. The ISK faucets need to be less, not more, that way these guys who are capable of running Proto 'forever' will not be able to run it as long. Also, besides Gear, there are very few ISK faucets. One of the many reasons why I believe that Corporate Bases and other 'aesthetic' items should be introduced as ISK sinks. I disagree but it still stands that a good fight will result in ten advanced deaths and in most cases the top six players do not make more isk than they lost getting the victory for the oher ten players tl:dr Make pay outs less, and give us more stuff we 'want' to spend ISK on.
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Posted - 2014.01.26 16:10:00 -
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If the payout was better blueberries could try harder in pubs, which is all the average players has to make isk, just because some corps lock thier districts for free and aare just farming doesnt mean th actually base game should have a low payout , punishing berries that dont even play pc or are not in a distict locking corp
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Posted - 2014.01.27 01:17:00 -
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NK Scout wrote:NoxMort3m wrote:The average match should payout 500 k instead of the current average of 200-300k its nearly impossible to generate isk in ubs using anything other than basic gear We should be getting at least 300k if we were decent Decent is now 179k You have to get 3000 wp to get any isk Exactly and that is seriously crazy, the average blueberries averages around 1000 wp and thats being nice ,
the system makes no sense , i can go 24 and 3 in my advanced suit and still not make enough isk to pay for my suits ,if i win and i was a significant factor in that victory my payout should ATLEAST cover my losses,and it currently does not
And this isnt even considering when the reds are a decent team that keeps the letter, in some cases you are going to die 5-10+ , worse if not atleast in advanced gear, in those cases there is no chance for a profit, even when turned back to victory ,in those cases it literally becomes who is willing to lose the most isk to win
players should be rewarded for thier effort
with the current payout players are discouraged from fighting for the victory,
tell me 80% of pubs are not completly one sided with a straight face
increasing the payout for victory would get players out of the redline and in fighting for objectives
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:34:00 -
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VikingKong iBUN wrote:+1 more isk would certainly be a good incentive to try and win games currently i dont care if i win or lose in a pub match, but if i use a good suit and actually try to win i'll only end up losing isk - which defies the point of winning Thank you sir, that is exactly what im saying
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Posted - 2014.01.27 12:40:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:VikingKong iBUN wrote:+1 more isk would certainly be a good incentive to try and win games currently i dont care if i win or lose in a pub match, but if i use a good suit and actually try to win i'll only end up losing isk - which defies the point of winning And giving out more ISK will actually make this issue worse. As I explained above, Proto Stomping is not supposed to be profitable, and the public arena is really the only place for Newer Players to go. Which means in public matches you have a range of newer, less geared people (discounting poor matchmaking decisions in whatever form there are). They can't do anything with this ISK to bring themselves to parity with Prototype-Level Players. However, if you attack the high-geared players ISK faucets, (lowering income) AND give them something besides gear to spend ISK on, then you will bring them down closer to parity as they can't run proto in public matches as long. Don't step on the little guys to make sure you big guys can turn a profit stomping them. your so hung up on he idea of proto gear making a profit you dont realize that in any match where your fighting a good team you cant even make a profit with advanced grar
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Posted - 2014.01.28 00:11:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:NoxMort3m wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:VikingKong iBUN wrote:+1 more isk would certainly be a good incentive to try and win games currently i dont care if i win or lose in a pub match, but if i use a good suit and actually try to win i'll only end up losing isk - which defies the point of winning And giving out more ISK will actually make this issue worse. As I explained above, Proto Stomping is not supposed to be profitable, and the public arena is really the only place for Newer Players to go. Which means in public matches you have a range of newer, less geared people (discounting poor matchmaking decisions in whatever form there are). They can't do anything with this ISK to bring themselves to parity with Prototype-Level Players. However, if you attack the high-geared players ISK faucets, (lowering income) AND give them something besides gear to spend ISK on, then you will bring them down closer to parity as they can't run proto in public matches as long. Don't step on the little guys to make sure you big guys can turn a profit stomping them. your so hung up on he idea of proto gear making a profit you dont realize that in any match where your fighting a good team you cant even make a profit with advanced grar That is not a matter of ISK payouts then is it? It's a matter of A) Matchmaking, and b) teamwork. A coordinated team, even in STD gear, will generally trump a team of random blueberries, even if they run Advanced / Proto. Increasing ISK payouts wont solve this problem.. in fact it will make it worse because suddenly they CAN turn profits easily running prototype as a coordinated team. Your 'ass-whooping' will get worse, and for longer, since the payouts wont cut into their already swelling wallets. And again, I will reiterate... this will make it even harder on the new guys who ONLY have SP to run Standard and no amount of ISK will help them claw back the balance. They could buy Proto or Advanced Gear, but cannot use it. Same with Weapons. How are you going to say an organized team will trump blueberries as an arguing point , thats like saying a nuke is capable of killing cats,
Secondly, what i want is for the other 10BB'S to be able to make enough isk to be less fearfull
IF they participated enough and ESPECIALLY if they get the victory,
Short of insane expenses due to whatever reason
a victory should cover the isk lost getting it!
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Posted - 2014.01.28 18:49:00 -
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Do i need to post pics of good matches with poo payout, ill use any tier gear you guys would like
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Posted - 2014.01.29 08:30:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:id like to see increased payouts for pubs,it used to be higher first months of uprising and slowly lessened, as if we didn't notice CCP Preach on brother man
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Posted - 2014.01.30 06:31:00 -
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Dev or cpm comment ?
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:28:00 -
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Squagga wrote:I didn't read the whole thing here ... basically, besides the fact that you shouldn't be running fits you can't afford if you're not constantly winning PC matches, why isn't there a greater ISK reward for winning a match? Win with a good squad or lose to blue berries the payout seems the same Exactly, there should be insentive to win
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