Running domination last night, and Scottie spawned me into yet another lopsided match. My first few deaths, I was running a lv. 3 combat rifle... got maybe 1 kill, since all enemies were standing at the objective with rail rifles. Then I switched to a lv 1 rail rifle, and got 3 kills within about 30 seconds.

If everyone is running RR, more cover is needed in all maps just to get close enough to use a different weapon.

I did notice that while the effective range may be around 100 meters, I was hitting opponents at 160 meters ( got confirmation from crosshair) . The distance is also pretty solid, since the enemy was standing at the objective, which has a distance tag floating on it.

160 meters is truly broken compared to other rifles, anyone else care to test max distance?

You said it yourself.
Its just tough luck.
If it was 10 guys with CR or SCR or even ARs... It doesnt make a difference. They would still own since they are proto stomping.
I get your issue because of the RR the range got you zoned, but imagine fighting at CQ vs 6+ Proto CR users? You wont have the chance to even blink and you will be dead.

RR is powerful,but very situational.

I know i CANT convince you, but i think RR are not OP....

You really can't decide the OPness of a weapon from a pub match perspective. CR is lethal. You don't know that. Go into a more competitive arena...say PC, and you will see the CR rip you to shreds.

So what. I kill tons of rr users. S h I t I kill these rr guys with breach ar.

Rail rifle is only range.

I'm not deciding its OP based on my experiences in a pub match today, I decided its OP while making the thread by comparing stats and weighing pros and cons.

Kind of convenient that only those who play PC can decide what's OP

Oh, so you killed RR users, guess that proves they aren't OP. I killed some dumbfire swarm launcher users back in the closed beta replication build, guess that means they weren't actually OP.

I'm just going to get off the forums and watch something on Netflix now.

The fact that a weapon is a favorite of the month is not proof that a weapon is OP, but it certainly is a sign if the top corps are gravitating to it, especially if the math backs it up (which it does).

Oh, so you killed RR users, guess that proves they aren't OP. I killed some dumbfire swarm launcher users back in the closed beta replication build, guess that means they weren't actually OP.

I'm just going to get off the forums and watch something on Netflix now.

The breach AR shouldn't even exist. It was created as a placeholder for weapons that did not exist at the time, and its purpose has been outlived. It should not be balanced, it should be removed.

The AR has too many variations. It's only natural they are ass.

You putting words in my mouth. But let me explain to keep you from making further assumptions and guess on what I'm implying.

I'm not saying that PC is the only place that can decide what's OP or not. I didn't even say that, you assumed that. I say two things. First, I say pub matches are not a good base to decide them on. Pub matches are pub matches. They are not that competitive for one. The majority of players does that COD perk(forget name) in Dust. Meaning, they will see what they got killed with several times in a row and spec into it after match. Which unfortunately causes a viral reaction to many players who follow the same route.

The second states that in more competitive arenas where the battles are hard fought, folks don't use the RR and slaughter with the CR. This does not state that PC is better grounds to decide the nerfs and buffs on.

The latter is quite interesting because coming to the forums, you would think that RR is trump. But players who are without the narrow vision can see that SCR and CR are more of problem than the RR.

So basically, I find it interesting if we look at the ENTIRE data block instead of just judging from public matches and looking at its stats. Cause in action, and in different circumstances, the RR wouldn't be trump.

Just like when folks talk about protostomping. Nothing is mentioned but this happens in Ambush more than any other game modes. Yet, to a new onlooker, you would think prototypes are running wild in all game modes. Yet the person who made the post only judged from his immediate, being that the only game mode he mostly plays is Ambush. So he really has no sense of the game as a whole since he's only judging from that game mode's perspective. Put him in Skirm/Dom, he wouldn't say the same.

That's what I'm talking about here. Having the WHOLE data, not just basing it on what has been experienced in pubs. Especially since there has been mercs who have stated that in PC, the RR isn't even king or instances where mercs where destroyed by CR users(me being a victim, several times) and they had RR in their hands.

If the RR is easymode, then how come they couldn't beat the CR user? You cannot come to a conclusive statement without having all the data. You not having all the data continues to skew the viewpoint of players who have no knowledge base to judge from. So when they do play and get killed twice by the RR, they instantly say, "he's right! The RR is OP!"

So wrong and why changes voiced by the community is often met with scrutiny.

That's the problem with this discussion. When more data comes into play, you refute it. Instead of considering the data, if it doesn't sound like its on your bandwagon, you don't want to talk about it. You view it negatively.

But yet you want to have changes done that involves affecting the community but you don't want to hear their difference of opinion, from the community?

Smh.