To be fair, we were underpowered as **** during Uprising release, so even if Gallente do become FOTM for a bit, it's about time :P

/me is just kidding, don't take it too seriously butthurt people

Ahhhhhh *pulls out coffee mug* I remember when my Cal logi cut Gallente to shreds with there own weapon....

....good times*sip*

OP as anything but still good times.

Gallente is just better at everything, some might argue that Caldari shields are still good but armor repping nanohives are all you need.

Caldari is easily neglected by flux, shields have a fixed depleted recharge delay ( plus additional delay from each shield extender).


If there was a re-spec....there is no real reason not go Gallente.

a 1 second recharge delay for the caldari heavy?

that should be changed to 3-4. depending on how much shielding its going to have.

edit: depending on how much armor and shield recharge rate of the caldari heavy..

IMO all Caldari suits should benefit of a smaller shield recharge delay, not only the Heavy.
Unless CCP removes Flux grenades of course.

Maybe 2 seconds. We must all remember that the caldari assault is pro shield already as a race. So naturally they would build their heavies with similar attributes.

Also, go gallente! Now ccp please don't make it completely onesided?! Bonuses are nice, but only when they're across the board advantages and disadvantages.

Amarr are getting their eHP difference increased (+50HP instead of +30HP), and are getting their slot back.
They're keeping their high stamina.

And the only downside is slower speed.
I'm sorry but I don't see how it's bad.

Ok let me clarify some things for you.

"Gallente is getting the old (current) passive armor rep for every suit."
1 HP/second for Gallente Heavy. That will take 8 minutes, 45 seconds to completely rep with no modules or HP skills. It's a token bonus that does effectively nothing. This is not a skill that goes up per level, Gallente heavies get this 1HP passive rep and that's it.

3hp/second for Gallente scouts. Considering limited slots and resources, this is so they don't fall behind the Caldari and Minmatar scouts in terms of HP regeneration. Considering how fast shield recharge is? 3hp/second is quite crappy in comparison.

"G Heavies get the most popular resistances (Rail Rifles, anything Minmatar), and they are going to have 4 lows, which are easily the most versatile slot in the game!"

So when a ton of people roll Gallente Sentinel, do you think people will continue to use RR and CR as much when the G Sentinel is resisting their damage? No. People will use a different damage type that does more damage. The Sentinels in a way encourage diversity of damage type.

G Sentinels also have the lowest damage output of any Sentinel with only 1 high slot.

"G Scouts have 3 passive armor reps, and the lowest scan profile amongst scout suits, which is a HUGE deal."

Gallente's role is typically scanning and other targeting electronics, this is similar to how it is in EVE. Gallente suits are simply going to always be the best at scanning and avoiding being scanned. In exchange they give up other advantages that other scouts get such as stamina and better cloaking abilities. Is it a valuable bonus? Of course, but it doesn't mean its the ONLY good one.

"G logis, if the rumors are to be believed, are getting enhanced scanning abilities, to pick up anything BUT G-scouts, or highly-gimped other scouts (due to having to use multiple complex dampeners)"

Again, Gallente are always going to be the best with scanning. However in order to gain this ability they sacrifice other support roles such as armor repair, uplink efficacy, and nanohives. Useful, but not the only useful bonus.

"Caldari have that ridiculous heavy with the 1 second shield charge delay!"

It's a 4 second delay, 1 second depletion delay. Dev already stated that the 1 second part was a typo. Chill out.

"Now... Minmatar Heavy gets resistances to all the scrambler rifle spam, and blaster rifles, of which you might see one or two per game. Not to mention, the negligible 20 point speed increase, which is paid for by about 90 less EHP, and will be completely negated when you consider Gallente's 4 lows for KinCats/armor mods. Minmatar at proto level get 3/2 H/L which is a serious disadvantage."

Higher sprint speed with 2 low modules for armor/speed mods and then a shitload of damage with 3 highs? Minmatar will be fast, hard hitting Sentinels that will require a different kind of playstyle than other Sentinels but is valid nonetheless.

amarr scout sux

They have nearly the base HP of a Gallente/Caldari medium frame, and around the same as a minmatar medium frame

I have played all the classes to some extent, but most fluent with logi.

At any rate, I was looking into going into a new class after 1.8 hit.

also, Ghost Kaisar, G logis will not have a hell of a time scanning scouts. Unless, said scout uses almost all his lows for complex dampeners.

Where I differ from Ghost

If you arent going to HP tank your scout, A gallente scout looks great as it can fit all the good stuff and can always be at full strength without help. Given its bonuses it really is a good lone wolf imo

I dont see how you guys are downplaying the rep.

A scout is never going to be in a sustained fight. It isnt for that. It allows them to constantly recharge between engagements without having to seek rep or supply depot. Its essentially a 5th low slot.

I used to run a basic reactive sometimes and it came in handy and that was 1 hp/s. When you need to evade and jump off ledges that little can come in handy if you are already hurt. You also know you can go into each engagement fully charged.

Couple that with their dampening and range and also since Scouts get another equipment spot they may be able to forego a compact hive and get more ammo because they dont need hp

Its a great bonus to have innately.

Uh. No.

While cloaked with NO dampeners, a scout will avoid all scans except for Proto Gallente Scans.

While uncloaked with ONE Complex Profile damp, a scout will avoid all scans except for Proto Gallente.

If you have both a cloak AND a Complex Profile damp, a scout will avoid everything except for Proto Gal Focused Scans.

Your argument is only correct when going against a scout with no dampeners OR cloak. In which you will be scanned by Proto Normal Scans and Adv Gal Scans.

TL;DR
A scout can dodge a vast majority of scans with only 1 complex dampener. It can dodge every scan except for one if it uses a cloak and a complex damp.

SOURCE

G Heavies get the most popular resistances (Rail Rifles, anything Minmatar), and they are going to have 4 lows, which are easily the most versatile slot in the game!

Can we please start using the correct terminology. They are sentinels. Heavies include commandos as well. Just a small request

They have nearly the base HP of a Gallente/Caldari medium frame, and around the same as a minmatar medium frame

stop sniffing catnip

281.25 stamina at amarr scout lvl 5 with 50 stamina reign a second and only 20 ground speed less than Caldari and Gallente scouts.

yep they suck in the fact they can run for fricken ever.

Do the math yourself, add 25% to shields and armor on the Amarr scout suits (bonuses) and compare it to the Gallente/Caldari med frames.

Then why is it there in the first place? Currently passive armor rep is for EVERY logi.

taking that away, and saying "now if you want this, you're going to have to spec into gallente" is just .. bad.

That said, I understand Gal are supposed to be the armor masters in DUST.

So I will grant them that. BUT...

Armor, AND scan proficiency? Scanners are, and will continue to be the single MOST USED equipment on the battlefield. I see maybe one knifer in every 2 to 3 games, sometimes they have a friend.

I dunno, I just think Minmatar is getting boned. particularly when it comes to scouts. Hacking speed is nice, but only if I'm hacking. completely useless in ambush, or any future mode where hacking isn't useful.

but all the other racials are useful in any mode. how is this balanced?

I think you misunderstood about the passive armor rep. It's inherent to the suit. read the post
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread

Gallente Scouts get a passive, built in 3 armor rep. Much like how currently logi's have passive armor rep.

no modules required.

Can you please post where your getting these stats.. There has been a lot of misinformation going out. I would like to make sure we are all on the same page.