So if i walk up to you and stab you to death just to steal your wallet that is not morally wrong?

If i kidnap and rrape girls just because I can, is that okay too?

Whatever I can do I can do, according to you

Fella, I think you missed a lot of the points I was trying to make. Something you need to understand, there will always be FOTM chasers. As long as this is a competitive game, people will always be looking for the next best thing. A single respec isn't going to flip the whole world upside down. Some will go into the FOTM, yeah. A lot will go right back into what they had. Some will go for something totally new.

I find it foolish to assume that every single person will go into the FOTM to be competitive. It takes all kinds of suits to make a PC match result in a win! We will still need heavies, tanks, logis, slayers, scouts, ect ect ect.

Something else, I really don't think CCP listens as heavily as you think to feedback. Yes they will take in issues player bring up, and then look to find why there might or might not be an issue there. I don't think it has anything to do with player feedback, if anything players are warning of the next FOTM, yet CCP does nothing to change it.

As for respecs, they are needed. This game is becoming stagnant, and needs a little bump.

The EVE comparison, was meant to only compare what it means to PVP combat. Yeah I know you can take a miner out and PVE, but hey, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON DUST. What you can do is PVP.

And Ethics. You call it Ethics.

You know, the early colonist and soldiers feared the Native Americans (my people). They were big on honor in combat, so standing in clear view of one another was the way to go. No sneaky bullshit, all ethical.

The natives, they used camo, surprise, deceit. They would slit your throat while you slept, never giving you the chance to fight back. The warriors, they fought with honor too. They understood well, that a superior force was only as superior as their tactics.

That is what dust currently is. Play to win.

So by your reasoning, we should identify what is OP, and all together, not spec into it? Are you that DAFT! Ethics has no place in new eden!

Yeah yea, you want pve blah blah blah. Guess what, THIS is what you have. It's not changing anytime soon.

i am native american... Seminole RunningBear is my tribe and birth name... that said, u r a disgrace... only commanchi, and mohawks did as u say... the rest MOVED elswhere to be left alone... thos 2 tribes btw (that fought as u described) were exterminated

Money in eve does not come from pvp. It comes from pve - high value moons & moon mining, ship production (capital, t2, t3) and sales, wormholes, research, lp sales, hauling, trading, incursions, missions, mining. It is incredibly rare to make money off of pvp - pvp is done mostly to deny resources and income to others, to safeguard ones 'territory' and because its fun.

Your analogy is flawed by the mere idea that the most money comes from pvp, while stuff like suicide tanking can be worth a bit it's not nearly as good income (or as consistent) as owning an r64 moon.

Yup. You'll be punished due to the way our societies' work however. Morals are nothing more than rules that humans made up for themselves. There are no great forces of good and evil, and the universe does not judge you for your actions.
This is not me saying I don't find murder and **** disgusting, I do find them to be horrid and disgusting things and think that anyone who does either should be punished. I just understand that I find them to be horrid things because my brain is hardwired that way, not because they are fundamentally wrong with the balance of the universe or whatever. I just have an understanding that morals are unsubstantial, and the only thing holding us to them are our own minds...
Just a bit of philosophy.

I agree with some of your points, I think that most of what we consider morals are relative, but some things like stealing from the poor and hurting or killing people just because you can is wrong.

As far as this game goes, its not fun when everyone is exploiting everything and always working to stack the odds in their favor, its ruining the game for vets and new people.

This a videogame, its not real life war, its supposed to be fun, its not fun if its unbalance and everyone is forced to use the same gear.

Money in eve does not come from pvp. It comes from pve - high value moons & moon mining, ship production (capital, t2, t3) and sales, wormholes, research, lp sales, hauling, trading, incursions, missions, mining. It is incredibly rare to make money off of pvp - pvp is done mostly to deny resources and income to others, to safeguard ones 'territory' and because its fun.

Your analogy is flawed by the mere idea that the most money comes from pvp, while stuff like suicide tanking can be worth a bit it's not nearly as good income (or as consistent) as owning an r64 moon.

Yes, its called ethics. By that notion, the us is scrubs, for not nuking everyone. Definition noted, lulled at, and discarded.

WTF ??? Tech was about PVP not moon mining.... Sure you moon mined for it but it was the PVP that allowed it to happen.


Same with Capital building in a giant open pvp zone....

If you said 0.0 Incursions produced the most ISK compared to others then sure.... even that has a huge element of PVP ask rooks and kings.

Nothing happens in a giant 0.0 Open free pvp zone without it being directly related back to PVP.

R64 moons were upwards of 20b isk monthly per moon and all you had to do was fuel the pos and empty the silos. Pvp was not a money generating activity

R64 moons were upwards of 20b isk monthly per moon and all you had to do was fuel the pos and empty the silos. Pvp was not a money generating activity

Agreed

ANother one of those respecs topics, there sould be a section forum for that inside a trash can.

This a videogame, its not real life war, its supposed to be fun, its not fun if its unbalance and everyone is forced to use the same gear.

Oh yea setting up then fueling the POS and moving out the stuff was easy as pie :p

no PVP what so ever. or defense of said POS needed...

No it is not, agreed. Though I think the point I was trying to make is that CCP is ultimatly responsible for the imbalances, not the players. I have heard so many players beat down on the try hards, fotm users, Kdr whores, ect. They actually blame the health of the game on the very players that contribute to the health of the game.

So some players pub stomp, don't expect them to drop to your level for the sake of fairness. It takes a lot of time to get that proto, they worked for that gear. And by god I'm going to wear that gear and nothing but. That was the point of my SP was it not.

There are genuine issues with this game, but far too many think the issues are caused by the player, who has no control over anything design wise.

Proto stomp = matchmaking and tiers

Tryhards = proto stomp = refer above

FotM = gear imbalances

You should thank these players for making the issues so very clear even if you yourself refuse to see the truth of the situation.

Pvp was to deny access of that asset to others, it didn't necessarily mean you gained control of it yourself, as said before pvp in the vast majority of cases is almost always a net LOSS of capital. It is supplemented through other things ie. you get to pvp because your alliance controls 300b worth of moons and has assets that make selling moon goo easy (jump bridges etc). The average player is also supplemented by being able to rat or run incursions.

Pvp is not an inherently money generating activity.