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sira draco
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Posted - 2014.01.24 05:36:00 -
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devonus durga wrote:Bethhy wrote:Quote:A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. A scrub does not play to win.
There is the mistaken notion, though, that by merely continuing to play or GÇ£learnGÇ¥ the game, one can become a top player. In reality, the GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ has many more mental obstacles to overcome than anything actually going on during the game. The scrub has lost the game even before it starts. HeGÇÖs lost the game even before deciding which game to play. His problem? He does not play to win.
The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevents him from ever truly competing. These made-up rules vary from game to game, of course, but their character remains constant. Yes, its called ethics. By that notion, the us is scrubs, for not nuking everyone. Definition noted, lulled at, and discarded. good point |
sira draco
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Posted - 2014.01.24 05:40:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Let's stop and take a step back here.
Dust 514 is a competitive game. But what does that mean? Let's take it's counterpart, EVE, for comparison.
I can safely say EVE is a competitive game. In both PVP and PVE. But EvE has many non competitive aspects as well, like mining and producing. The main source of competition though comes from PVP, Ship vs Ship battles. Like Dust, there are strength in numbers, so it's not all about having the best gear, but it still plays a huge part.
In EVE, having a better ship, and in some cases bigger ship, than the one you are going up against will win you the encounter. In equal matchups between ships, it comes down to the persons skills. And then you have your Fleets (squads) coordinating together to take down enemies. The biggest thing though for both EVE and Dust, is the competition, you play to win.
When it comes to competing against another person, you look for every way possible to win. I don't think there is any such thing as a cheap tactics or FOTM. We are here to compete, we are here to win. In Dust how is it that you interact with other players? There are Red dots and Blue dots! Dust has a hint of RPG elements to it, but it IS a competitive team based shooter.
People go into the FOTM, not because they are scrubs! Because they, like anyone else, WANT TO WIN. Like back when everyone was running around in a Cal Logi, that suit was the ****. Even then people were crying FOTM and hating them for it. You know why you feel that hate, because there is an imbalance between your choices, and their choices. It has nothing to do with the person that chooses the FOTM, no doubt you would feel differently if that had been your first choice. People don't choose the FOTM to be ******* dicks, they choose it because they want to win. That is the POINT of the game!
The fault lies fully with CCP, and no one else. People get so happy when something gets nerfed, and they make sure to let FOTM chasers know. Oh sorry, your suit sucks now, how does it feel? Oh, so what, you were jealous, and now you have to rub it in a players face, when it was CCP who allowed these imbalances!
And people LOVE to bring this up in Respec discussions. Here is what is happening though.
Player A chooses gimped weapon Player B chooses FOTM
Player B murders Player A for several months, until CCP makes another crack at balancing. Player B gets nerfed Player A and B on more equal footing.
So, you wouldn't want an FOTM chaser to get a respec, because they made you suffer for 3 months. So they should suffer too. Does anyone else see how childish this all is. THE PLAYERS HAVE NEVER BEEN AT FAULT FOR DOING ANY WRONG. They just play to win, which is how you SHOULD play. So people did their homework, and choose the most powerful suit. Sorry you didn't do the same?
FOTM has no place in a respec discussion, I mean jesus how often can a FOTM player be an FOTM player. After they nerf them, they cease to be FOTM, and now must grind out new suits. WHICH AT THIS POINT THEY NO DOUBT HAVE DONE. Is everyone that went into the new rail rifle and combat rifle FOTM chasers! Should they be fair and just put down their shiny toys in place of something on your level!
NO, adapt or die. Oh they have rail rifles, well guess I'll pull mine to counter. Tactics 101.
If you are not playing to win, you are not playing the game!
Its this attitude that is ruining the game and making it hard for new people to enter the community, it is why the player base is decreasing everyday.
This is a videogame, I expect good sportsmanship. Also I don't want everyone using the same gear because its overpowered, I don't wanna have to pull out a Rail Rifle just to beat a Rail Rifle, no variety is boring. I wanna see more nova knives, more flaylocks, more mass drivers and more laser rifles.
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sira draco
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Posted - 2014.01.24 05:43:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:People seem to think dust is real life, and not a video game Life is a game if you really think about it., we make made up goals and rules to live/play by. Ethics and Morality are completely made up ideas that humanity evolved to increase it's chances of survival. The only rules are the ones we enforce upon ourselves, and there is no cosmic law, other than the laws of physics. The ideas of Good and Evil are false ideologies. Whatever you can do, you can do. Are you playing to win? I didn't think so... Because there is no win condition. Edit: give us a skill refund!
So if i walk up to you and stab you to death just to steal your wallet that is not morally wrong?
If i kidnap and rrape girls just because I can, is that okay too?
Whatever I can do I can do, according to you |
sira draco
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Posted - 2014.01.24 05:45:00 -
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Kira Takizawa wrote:Do I have to spec into the fotm to keep up?
It seems like it why do I have to waste my sp for it?
You say to adapt or die what if I can't quit playing because these people have a high advantage over me?
Find their weakness those decent/top players that know their weakness and will try and cover that up now what?
I don't have isk to waste to try and see what can kill these things and I hate dying to these fotm ***** why do I keep playing?
These are the questions I keep asking myself and my solution is to snipe or quit the game for the day.. Why does it have to result that we have to change our styles because someone abuses the best suits at the time?
I feel the same way, I can't use the gear I want, I can't play the game with my own unique playstyle which I find fun, Instead I have to use the FOTM stuff just to compete with everyone else who is using it |
sira draco
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Posted - 2014.01.25 19:22:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:sira draco wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:People seem to think dust is real life, and not a video game Life is a game if you really think about it., we make made up goals and rules to live/play by. Ethics and Morality are completely made up ideas that humanity evolved to increase it's chances of survival. The only rules are the ones we enforce upon ourselves, and there is no cosmic law, other than the laws of physics. The ideas of Good and Evil are false ideologies. Whatever you can do, you can do. Are you playing to win? I didn't think so... Because there is no win condition. Edit: give us a skill refund! So if i walk up to you and stab you to death just to steal your wallet that is not morally wrong? If i kidnap and rrape girls just because I can, is that okay too? Whatever I can do I can do, according to you Yup. You'll be punished due to the way our societies' work however. Morals are nothing more than rules that humans made up for themselves. There are no great forces of good and evil, and the universe does not judge you for your actions. This is not me saying I don't find murder and **** disgusting, I do find them to be horrid and disgusting things and think that anyone who does either should be punished. I just understand that I find them to be horrid things because my brain is hardwired that way, not because they are fundamentally wrong with the balance of the universe or whatever. I just have an understanding that morals are unsubstantial, and the only thing holding us to them are our own minds... Just a bit of philosophy.
I agree with some of your points, I think that most of what we consider morals are relative, but some things like stealing from the poor and hurting or killing people just because you can is wrong.
As far as this game goes, its not fun when everyone is exploiting everything and always working to stack the odds in their favor, its ruining the game for vets and new people. |
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Posted - 2014.01.25 19:25:00 -
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This a videogame, its not real life war, its supposed to be fun, its not fun if its unbalance and everyone is forced to use the same gear. |
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