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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:14:00 -
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I thought I was just imagining it, but I was right. They have stronger aim assist.
Why?
CCP kept the old OP aim assist on militia weapons. Many of the Aur items are technically classified as militia weapons so they automatically kept the old aim assist. Currently I'am only certain of 3 weapons that still have the old OP aim assist; the Militia AR, Militia SMG and Militia Scrambler Pistol? This means that weapons like the Toxin AR and Toxin SMG have stronger aim assist.
Don't believe me? Get an advanced suit. Put two Complex Damage Modifiers l. Put on the Militia Scrambler Pistol and Militia AR. I guarantee it will kill faster than a Duvolle.
It doesn't just affect ADS either, it affects your hipfire, A LOT! Now if the game ran smooth than aim assist wouldn't be an issue. Though aim assist makes it so that you aim for the hitbox instead of the character model.
CCP please remove the extra aim assist from Aur items.
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LEHON Xeon
Pradox XVI Proficiency V.
112
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:16:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I thought I was just imagining it, but I was right. They have stronger aim assist.
Why?
CCP kept the old OP aim assist on militia weapons. Many of the Aur items are technically classified as militia weapons so they automatically kept the old aim assist. Currently I'am only certain of 3 weapons that still have the old OP aim assist; the Militia AR, Militia SMG and Militia Scrambler Pistol? This means that weapons like the Toxin AR and Toxin SMG have stronger aim assist.
Don't believe me? Get an advanced suit. Put two Complex Damage Modifiers l. Put on the Militia Scrambler Pistol and Militia AR. I guarantee it will kill faster than a Duvolle.
It doesn't just affect ADS either, it affects your hipfire, A LOT! Now if the game ran smooth than aim assist wouldn't be an issue. Though aim assist makes it so that you aim for the hitbox instead of the character model.
CCP please remove the extra aim assist from Aur items.
I do believe you are correct with this. I was in a few matches last week in some CQC, and I died to several people with milita weaponry despite the fact I was using a Duvolle with multiple damage mods and fired first. I was like WTF
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
171
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:16:00 -
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Well, I was thinking this just might be an urban legend.... but considering your past forum presence... I'm kinda worried your right
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1701
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:17:00 -
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Lower tiered weapons have less recoil than higher tiered weapons. Rifle operation V paired with a militia assault rifle yields nearly 0 dispersion.
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
2725
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:19:00 -
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Well, playing devil's advocate: Aurum, allowing you to do more, faster
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Eltra Ardell
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
317
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:19:00 -
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devonus durga wrote:Well, I was thinking this just might be an urban legend.... but considering your past forum presence... I'm kinda worried your right First, learn to spell. Second, what does "forum presence" have to do with a claim about game mechanics? |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3483
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:20:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Lower tiered weapons have less recoil than higher tiered weapons. Rifle operation V paired with a militia assault rifle yields nearly 0 dispersion. Militia weapons are not affected by the weapon skills.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3483
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:20:00 -
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Eltra Ardell wrote:devonus durga wrote:Well, I was thinking this just might be an urban legend.... but considering your past forum presence... I'm kinda worried your right First, learn to spell. Second, what does "forum presence" have to do with a claim about game mechanics? Yeah, forum presence means nothing.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
750
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:20:00 -
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This thread is officially the tin foil hat thread |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1701
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:21:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Lower tiered weapons have less recoil than higher tiered weapons. Rifle operation V paired with a militia assault rifle yields nearly 0 dispersion. Militia weapons are not affected by the weapon skills.
I'd love to see actual confirmation on that.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3483
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:27:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:This thread is officially the tin foil hat thread Test it out my friend. I guarantee the Aim Assist will work.
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Rusty Shallows
876
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:30:00 -
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Who wants to start the Burn Jita chant?
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2749
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:30:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Lower tiered weapons have less recoil than higher tiered weapons. Rifle operation V paired with a militia assault rifle yields nearly 0 dispersion. Militia weapons are not affected by the weapon skills.
What ever gave you that idea?
// Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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Dkafamos
Comando Brasil
41
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:35:00 -
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I find myself miracolously dieing to perfect shot from tull to nothing in less then a second to militia and aur gear.
Yeah, good job CCP, keep ******* things up. |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3483
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Posted - 2014.01.23 04:46:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Lower tiered weapons have less recoil than higher tiered weapons. Rifle operation V paired with a militia assault rifle yields nearly 0 dispersion. Militia weapons are not affected by the weapon skills. What ever gave you that idea? I remember there was a great battle over this several months ago and one of the CPM said that skills did not affect militia gear.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
751
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:05:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Dexter307 wrote:This thread is officially the tin foil hat thread Test it out my friend. I guarantee the Aim Assist will work. All guns have aim assist
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2753
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:15:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Lower tiered weapons have less recoil than higher tiered weapons. Rifle operation V paired with a militia assault rifle yields nearly 0 dispersion. Militia weapons are not affected by the weapon skills. What ever gave you that idea? I remember there was a great battle over this several months ago and one of the CPM said that skills did not affect militia gear.
A speedy answer from CCP Saberwing:
@kanafchian: @ReesNoturana Poked Remnant - "They do. Although Dropsuit skills don't affect basic suits, so I can see where the confusion comes from."
I asked if weapon skills affected militia weapons.
// Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2947
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:18:00 -
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Eltra Ardell wrote:devonus durga wrote:Well, I was thinking this just might be an urban legend.... but considering your past forum presence... I'm kinda worried your right First, learn to spell. Second, what does "forum presence" have to do with a claim about game mechanics?
Ever heard of a reliable source?
No.
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CCP Saberwing
C C P C C P Alliance
1226
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:21:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I thought I was just imagining it, but I was right. They have stronger aim assist.
Just spoke to CCP Wolfman - you are just imagining it. ;) They're exactly the same.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3484
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:22:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I thought I was just imagining it, but I was right. They have stronger aim assist.
Just spoke to CCP Wolfman - you are just imagining it. ;) They're exactly the same. ... @_@
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2753
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:23:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I thought I was just imagining it, but I was right. They have stronger aim assist.
Just spoke to CCP Wolfman - you are just imagining it. ;) They're exactly the same.
What was that about reliable sources? Can't beat Wolfman and Remnant. Thanks for running this down Saberwing!
// Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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Miokai Zahou
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
104
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:26:00 -
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This tread... just wow.
Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
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KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
645
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:27:00 -
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I'm wondering, was there a sales spike during this thread's short life?
"Because beer, that's why."
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1006
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:28:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I thought I was just imagining it, but I was right. They have stronger aim assist.
Just spoke to CCP Wolfman - you are just imagining it. ;) They're exactly the same.
Lolnope! Denied!
Tinfoil hat: says the snake in the tree.
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
171
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:29:00 -
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Eltra Ardell wrote:devonus durga wrote:Well, I was thinking this just might be an urban legend.... but considering your past forum presence... I'm kinda worried your right First, learn to spell. Second, what does "forum presence" have to do with a claim about game mechanics?
First I'm on a tablet, ****, second: merely means his claim is less likely to be full of ****.
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
171
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:33:00 -
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Eltra Ardell wrote:devonus durga wrote:Well, I was thinking this just might be an urban legend.... but considering your past forum presence... I'm kinda worried your right First, learn to spell. Second, what does "forum presence" have to do with a claim about game mechanics?
And what the hell did I spell wrong?
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3484
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:34:00 -
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devonus durga wrote:Eltra Ardell wrote:devonus durga wrote:Well, I was thinking this just might be an urban legend.... but considering your past forum presence... I'm kinda worried your right First, learn to spell. Second, what does "forum presence" have to do with a claim about game mechanics? And what the hell did I spell wrong? You're, not your.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2753
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:35:00 -
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devonus durga wrote:Eltra Ardell wrote:devonus durga wrote:Well, I was thinking this just might be an urban legend.... but considering your past forum presence... I'm kinda worried your right First, learn to spell. Second, what does "forum presence" have to do with a claim about game mechanics? And what the hell did I spell wrong?
Must be "kinda" instead of kind of.
// Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2753
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:35:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:devonus durga wrote:Eltra Ardell wrote:devonus durga wrote:Well, I was thinking this just might be an urban legend.... but considering your past forum presence... I'm kinda worried your right First, learn to spell. Second, what does "forum presence" have to do with a claim about game mechanics? And what the hell did I spell wrong? You're, not your.
Haha, or that.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3484
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:36:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:devonus durga wrote:Eltra Ardell wrote:devonus durga wrote:Well, I was thinking this just might be an urban legend.... but considering your past forum presence... I'm kinda worried your right First, learn to spell. Second, what does "forum presence" have to do with a claim about game mechanics? And what the hell did I spell wrong? Must be "kinda" instead of kind of. It's a colloquial term. I'm surprised you missed your*.
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THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
447
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:44:00 -
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Guys it's common knowledge that DUST 514 was designed from the ground up to be P2W. Here are the FACTS!
1) AUR weapons have 50% more aim assist 2) AUR weapons have 25% higher damage than is listed in the description and 15% more range 3) Using AUR weapons creates every subtle, almost invisible visual stimuli that acts as a subliminal boost to your twitch ability
This is common knowledge, but there is more...MUCH more...it's just a matter of how far down the rabbit hole you want to go.
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Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1577
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:47:00 -
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The P2W aspect is worse than anyone has imagined. I bought some AUR stuff and now I can't walk down the street without women throwing themselves at me. P2W? More like P2W@Life |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
2835
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:51:00 -
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This might actually be true tbh.
And as much as Wolfman may be the scion of good intentions, he has been proven wrong about things many times in recent history. |
THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
447
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:52:00 -
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Kristoff Atruin wrote:The P2W aspect is worse than anyone has imagined. I bought some AUR stuff and now I can't walk down the street without women throwing themselves at me. P2W? More like P2W@Life
Man I thought I was going mad, so it's not just me...I started to use AUR items and I just feel smarter, my pecs, buttocks and abs are more defined and my body has this really strong pheromone that is drawing the ladies in. I feel smarter, stronger and able to stay hard for 300% longer.
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CCP Saberwing
C C P C C P Alliance
1232
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:54:00 -
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THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Guys it's common knowledge that DUST 514 was designed from the ground up to be P2W. Here are the FACTS!
1) AUR weapons have 50% more aim assist 2) AUR weapons have 25% higher damage than is listed in the description and 15% more range 3) Using AUR weapons creates every subtle, almost invisible visual stimuli that acts as a subliminal boost to your twitch ability
This is common knowledge, but there is more...MUCH more...it's just a matter of how far down the rabbit hole you want to go.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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CCP Saberwing
C C P C C P Alliance
1232
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:55:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I don't think you guys meant to do it, but I think you did. It is extremely obvious in hip fire.
I (very) highly doubt this is the case. I'd be interested in seeing some video evidence demonstrating otherwise, however.
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:This might actually be true tbh.
And as much as Wolfman may be the scion of good intentions, he has been proven wrong about things many times in recent history. Given that I believe he personally created Aim Assist, I hesitate to doubt him on this. :)
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
2730
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Posted - 2014.01.23 05:59:00 -
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Just a wait a minute!! I want to post pic files!!!!
Dust 514 forums putting the witch back into the hunt, lol!
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M McManus
377
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:01:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I don't think you guys meant to do it, but I think you did. It is extremely obvious in hip fire.
I (very) highly doubt this is the case. I'd be interested in seeing some video evidence demonstrating otherwise, however.
I'd be interested to actually see you respond to kb/m threads as quickly as you reply to troll posts....... |
Aqil Aegivan
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
276
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:02:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Given that I believe he personally created Aim Assist, I hesitate to doubt him on this. :)
Well, CCP staff personally created Dust 514.
Tried walking up a hill lately? |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1008
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:05:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Guys it's common knowledge that DUST 514 was designed from the ground up to be P2W. Here are the FACTS!
1) AUR weapons have 50% more aim assist 2) AUR weapons have 25% higher damage than is listed in the description and 15% more range 3) Using AUR weapons creates every subtle, almost invisible visual stimuli that acts as a subliminal boost to your twitch ability
This is common knowledge, but there is more...MUCH more...it's just a matter of how far down the rabbit hole you want to go. [img]http://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-serious-or-trolling.jpg[/img]
Still laughing, so hard to type while laughing. That's good stuff.
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
172
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:07:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:devonus durga wrote:Eltra Ardell wrote:devonus durga wrote:Well, I was thinking this just might be an urban legend.... but considering your past forum presence... I'm kinda worried your right First, learn to spell. Second, what does "forum presence" have to do with a claim about game mechanics? And what the hell did I spell wrong? You're, not your. I fail
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
172
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:10:00 -
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I fail. Should not try and get in a grammar war at 1am
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THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
448
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:14:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Guys it's common knowledge that DUST 514 was designed from the ground up to be P2W. Here are the FACTS!
1) AUR weapons have 50% more aim assist 2) AUR weapons have 25% higher damage than is listed in the description and 15% more range 3) Using AUR weapons creates every subtle, almost invisible visual stimuli that acts as a subliminal boost to your twitch ability
This is common knowledge, but there is more...MUCH more...it's just a matter of how far down the rabbit hole you want to go. [img]http://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-serious-or-trolling.jpg[/img]
Hehe You da man! I was being Trollerious!
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
2730
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:16:00 -
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LOL @ that edit. Oh well...
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3484
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:28:00 -
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Guys I'm serious. I think the original Aim Assist, which was dubbed "Auto-aim", still lives on in select militia weapons. I first thought that it was left in because CCP wanted to make it easier for newer players to compete, but with SaberWings posts, I'm not too sure why it's still here.
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
172
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:32:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:LOL @ that edit. Oh well...
Well I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
1008
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:34:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Guys I'm serious. I think the original Aim Assist, which was dubbed "Auto-aim", still lives on in select militia weapons. I first thought that it was left in because CCP wanted to make it easier for newer players to compete, but with SaberWings posts, I'm not too sure why it's still here.
Well, the answer is simple then: do the tests.
Side by side footage should do the trick.
Murphy's laws #5
Money talks. Bull**** walks.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3484
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:37:00 -
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Times like this I wish I had a capture card ;_;
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
2733
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Posted - 2014.01.23 06:55:00 -
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I wish had a cannoli
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Lonewolf Heavy
ROGUE SPADES
62
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:01:00 -
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They dont, I Use old BPO militia gear, Aur Gear, and Regular gear. Threw on AA for the first time. All exacly the same. Turned that **** off tho. It fucks up my HMG aim.
Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;)
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Teilka Darkmist
49
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:05:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Guys I'm serious. I think the original Aim Assist, which was dubbed "Auto-aim", still lives on in select militia weapons. I first thought that it was left in because CCP wanted to make it easier for newer players to compete, but with SaberWings posts, I'm not too sure why it's still here.
Someone, I forget who, said what I think is the answer, militia weapons have lower recoil and skilling up reduces that even further. It's not auto aim, it's less spread. More bullets hitting on target, even at a reduced damage per bullet (and the difference isn't a major amount in total) means faster kills.
As to the whole P2W part. There's a reason CSM rejected letting people spend Aurum for ships and modules in EVE, this is it. All that's available for aurum is items for your avatar that really only make a cosmetic difference.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Lonewolf Heavy
ROGUE SPADES
62
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:16:00 -
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Teilka Darkmist wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Guys I'm serious. I think the original Aim Assist, which was dubbed "Auto-aim", still lives on in select militia weapons. I first thought that it was left in because CCP wanted to make it easier for newer players to compete, but with SaberWings posts, I'm not too sure why it's still here. Someone, I forget who, said what I think is the answer, militia weapons have lower recoil and skilling up reduces that even further. It's not auto aim, it's less spread. More bullets hitting on target, even at a reduced damage per bullet (and the difference isn't a major amount in total) means faster kills. As to the whole P2W part. There's a reason CSM rejected letting people spend Aurum for ships and modules in EVE, this is it. All that's available for aurum is items for your avatar that really only make a cosmetic difference.
Its not P2W, I'd know, Ive played since closed beta, I used to use boosters all the time and still got out leveled by guys who havent payed a dime.. The only Aur **** i have is from PC battles where i salvage it. BPO stuff is all militia level also so it just saves me isk. Aur weapons arent any better then what i have. Its the same stuff with a different paint job that Lower SP players can use to try out stuff.
I love wasting peoples real money by killing their Aur suits.
Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;)
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4475
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:31:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Guys it's common knowledge that DUST 514 was designed from the ground up to be P2W. Here are the FACTS!
1) AUR weapons have 50% more aim assist 2) AUR weapons have 25% higher damage than is listed in the description and 15% more range 3) Using AUR weapons creates every subtle, almost invisible visual stimuli that acts as a subliminal boost to your twitch ability
This is common knowledge, but there is more...MUCH more...it's just a matter of how far down the rabbit hole you want to go. [img]http://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-serious-or-trolling.jpg[/img]
This whole quote just screams subliminally "buy aurum weapons"
Hmm I think I'm gonna go buy some aurum weapons. |
Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:39:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Guys it's common knowledge that DUST 514 was designed from the ground up to be P2W. Here are the FACTS!
1) AUR weapons have 50% more aim assist 2) AUR weapons have 25% higher damage than is listed in the description and 15% more range 3) Using AUR weapons creates every subtle, almost invisible visual stimuli that acts as a subliminal boost to your twitch ability
This is common knowledge, but there is more...MUCH more...it's just a matter of how far down the rabbit hole you want to go. [img]http://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-serious-or-trolling.jpg[/img] This whole quote just screams subliminally "buy aurum weapons" Hmm I think I'm gonna go buy some aurum weapons.
I think you've got it. THE GREY CARDINAL is actually in marketing for CCP (or possibly PSN) and is trying to entice more people to buy aurum.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:45:00 -
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Lonewolf Heavy wrote:Teilka Darkmist wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Guys I'm serious. I think the original Aim Assist, which was dubbed "Auto-aim", still lives on in select militia weapons. I first thought that it was left in because CCP wanted to make it easier for newer players to compete, but with SaberWings posts, I'm not too sure why it's still here. Someone, I forget who, said what I think is the answer, militia weapons have lower recoil and skilling up reduces that even further. It's not auto aim, it's less spread. More bullets hitting on target, even at a reduced damage per bullet (and the difference isn't a major amount in total) means faster kills. As to the whole P2W part. There's a reason CSM rejected letting people spend Aurum for ships and modules in EVE, this is it. All that's available for aurum is items for your avatar that really only make a cosmetic difference. Its not P2W, I'd know, Ive played since closed beta, I used to use boosters all the time and still got out leveled by guys who havent payed a dime.. The only Aur **** i have is from PC battles where i salvage it. BPO stuff is all militia level also so it just saves me isk. Aur weapons arent any better then what i have. Its the same stuff with a different paint job that Lower SP players can use to try out stuff. I love wasting peoples real money by killing their Aur suits.
Sorry, I should have said that CSM advised CCP against it, and that it was to avoid the appearence of P2W. I know that Aur gear isn't any better than isk gear, I use a couple of pieces for exactly what it's meant for, to try the next level when you've not got the SP for it yet. I've found that not only is the gear not actually the same as the isk gear, it usually costs more in PG and CPU as it's isk equivalent. But sometimes I just want that 2% more and have PG and CPU enough to spare. Most of my fits are paid for purely in Isk though as it can be tight to fit everything I want onto a scout suit.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1453
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Posted - 2014.01.23 07:57:00 -
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Someone call xXGhazbaranXx so he can do a thorough test. |
Eurydice Itzhak
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
368
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Posted - 2014.01.23 08:39:00 -
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I dont use those weapons (havent logged in on my logi in over a month)
It would be hilarious to me though if you are correct about the aim assist and Saberwing/Wolfman don't know cause they don't actually play the game. |
Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2014.01.23 09:05:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I thought I was just imagining it, but I was right. They have stronger aim assist.
Why? & What? CCP kept the old OP aim assist on militia weapons. I believe either this is an unintentional bug or it was meant to help New players. Many of the Aur items are technically classified as militia weapons so they automatically kept the old aim assist. Currently I'am only certain of 3 weapons that still have the old OP aim assist; the Militia AR, Militia SMG and Militia Scrambler Pistol? This means that weapons like the Toxin AR and Toxin SMG have stronger aim assist.
Don't believe me? Use a Commando suit and try out the Militia AR and Standard AR.
Or
Get an advanced suit. Put two Complex Damage Modifiers. Put on the Militia Scrambler Pistol and Militia AR. I guarantee it will kill faster than a Duvolle.
It doesn't just affect ADS either, it affects your hipfire, A LOT! Now if the game ran smooth than aim assist wouldn't be an issue. Though aim assist makes it so that you aim for the hitbox instead of the character model.
CCP please remove the extra aim assist from Aur items.
*looks at post* *implied facepalm* I expected better from you.
*walks out mumbling* Bloomin heck, next they will trying to tell me Aim Assist also steers bullets mid-flight Ane Logistics Suits are uselss, because they don't have enough KDR
Whatever next?
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
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G Torq
ALTA B2O
381
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:32:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Lower tiered weapons have less recoil than higher tiered weapons. Rifle operation V paired with a militia assault rifle yields nearly 0 dispersion. Militia weapons are not affected by the weapon skills.
The skill in question is "Assault Rifle Operation", also known as "skill_we_assault_rifle_operation" (353461). The two modifiers for this skill are
- m_KickInfo.m_fMaxKickPerShot
- m_KickInfoZoomed.m_fMaxKickPerShot
Both of these modifiers have the tag "tag_weapon_assaultrifle" (353488), meaning they are applied to items where this tag is present.
This tag is set on the following items:
- Assault Rifle
- Breach Assault Rifle
- 'Blindfire' Assault Rifle
- GEK-38 Assault Rifle
- GK-13 Burst Assault Rifle
- 'Gorewreck' GK-13 Burst Assault Rifle
- 'Killswitch' GEK-38 Assault Rifle
- Duvolle Assault Rifle
- CreoDron Breach Assault Rifle
- Allotek Burst Assault Rifle
- 'Codewish' Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle
- Militia Assault Rifle
- GB-9 Breach Assault Rifle
- GLU-5 Tactical Assault Rifle
- Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle
- Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle
- Krin's SIN-11 Assault Rifle
- 'Dren' Assault Rifle
- Militia Assault Rifle Blueprint
- 'Exile' Assault Rifle
- 'Toxin' Assault Rifle
- Recruit Assault Rifle
- 'Black Eagle' Assault Rifle
- Staff Recruiter Assault Rifle
- 'Construct' Duvolle Assault Rifle
- 'Pyrus' Assault Rifle
- 'Pyrus' ATK-21 Assault Rifle
- 'Pyrus' Allotek Assault Rifle
- Federation Duvolle Specialist Assault Rifle
- Federation Assault Rifle
- Federation GK-13 Burst Assault Rifle
- Federation GEK-38 Assault Rifle
- Federation Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle
As this list includes the "Militia Assault Rifle" (353120), I can only conclude that your information about Militia Weapons not being affected by Operations skills is wrong.
Thank you for playing, anything else you would like to be proven wrong about?
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steadyhand amarr
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:45:00 -
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Jeusr aztec i expect better from a vet at first i thought it was a cleaver troll but really common man. -_- i use a wide mix of gear there is no difference
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
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THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
449
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Posted - 2014.01.23 11:16:00 -
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Teilka Darkmist wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Guys it's common knowledge that DUST 514 was designed from the ground up to be P2W. Here are the FACTS!
1) AUR weapons have 50% more aim assist 2) AUR weapons have 25% higher damage than is listed in the description and 15% more range 3) Using AUR weapons creates every subtle, almost invisible visual stimuli that acts as a subliminal boost to your twitch ability
This is common knowledge, but there is more...MUCH more...it's just a matter of how far down the rabbit hole you want to go. [img]http://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-serious-or-trolling.jpg[/img] This whole quote just screams subliminally "buy aurum weapons" Hmm I think I'm gonna go buy some aurum weapons. I think you've got it. THE GREY CARDINAL is actually in marketing for CCP (or possibly PSN) and is trying to entice more people to buy aurum.
Why wouldn't you want to buy AURUM? Let's face it, skill in the FPS genre is a dying commodity. To be competitive in today's online multiplayer there is only one way; you have to pay. AUR gives the modern merc the edge he needs to kill all of his enemies real good.
The company I represent--which for contractual reasons must remain disclosed--has been working closely with CCP on their P2W model as we believe it is the future of gaming. Skill is an antiquated part of an equation that needs to be rebooted for the future.
Please keep your eyes on the market for a whole slew of new AUR items including the 'Bubble Bobble Death Bubble', an exciting new module that shoots bullets through all assets at any other player within a 100m sphere of your character. More details coming soon in a new Derp Blog.
Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar
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Lorhak Gannarsein
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Posted - 2014.01.23 11:20:00 -
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THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Teilka Darkmist wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Guys it's common knowledge that DUST 514 was designed from the ground up to be P2W. Here are the FACTS!
1) AUR weapons have 50% more aim assist 2) AUR weapons have 25% higher damage than is listed in the description and 15% more range 3) Using AUR weapons creates every subtle, almost invisible visual stimuli that acts as a subliminal boost to your twitch ability
This is common knowledge, but there is more...MUCH more...it's just a matter of how far down the rabbit hole you want to go. [img]http://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-serious-or-trolling.jpg[/img] This whole quote just screams subliminally "buy aurum weapons" Hmm I think I'm gonna go buy some aurum weapons. I think you've got it. THE GREY CARDINAL is actually in marketing for CCP (or possibly PSN) and is trying to entice more people to buy aurum. Why wouldn't you want to buy AURUM? Let's face it, skill in the FPS genre is a dying commodity. To be competitive in today's online multiplayer there is only one way; you have to pay. AUR gives the modern merc the edge he needs to kill all of his enemies real good. The company I represent--which for contractual reasons must remain disclosed--has been working closely with CCP on their P2W model as we believe it is the future of gaming. Skill is an antiquated part of an equation that needs to be rebooted for the future. Please keep your eyes on the market for a whole slew of new AUR items including the 'Bubble Bobble Death Bubble', an exciting new module that shoots bullets through all assets at any other player within a 100m sphere of your character. More details coming soon in a new Derp Blog.
*undisclosed
Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters.
Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
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THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
449
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Posted - 2014.01.23 11:25:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Why wouldn't you want to buy AURUM? Let's face it, skill in the FPS genre is a dying commodity. To be competitive in today's online multiplayer there is only one way; you have to pay. AUR gives the modern merc the edge he needs to kill all of his enemies real good.
The company I represent--which for contractual reasons must remain disclosed--has been working closely with CCP on their P2W model as we believe it is the future of gaming. Skill is an antiquated part of an equation that needs to be rebooted for the future.
Please keep your eyes on the market for a whole slew of new AUR items including the 'Bubble Bobble Death Bubble', an exciting new module that shoots bullets through all assets at any other player within a 100m sphere of your character. More details coming soon in a new Derp Blog.
*undisclosed[/quote]
Damn, I guess my cover is blown.I'm really just a no one with no edumacation. Some dude in a black shirt that said CCP dev gave me a bottle of black death to post this stuff.
Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3484
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Posted - 2014.01.23 11:34:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1755845#post1755845
You guys probably don't remember this^ thread. But this is actually one of the most sophisticated troll threads I have ever done; I even played with the Militia AR most of the day. I knew Saberwing was on and wanted to see if he would respond and how he would respond.
So to anyone who made it this far:
My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity
And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3484
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Posted - 2014.01.23 11:56:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Someone call xXGhazbaranXx so he can do a thorough test. Probably won't find any AA but would be fun for him to test it out. He should test out the recoil too.
My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity
And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4705
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Posted - 2014.01.23 12:07:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I don't think you guys meant to do it, but I think you did. It is extremely obvious in hip fire.
I (very) highly doubt this is the case. I'd be interested in seeing some video evidence demonstrating otherwise, however. Himiko Kuronaga wrote:This might actually be true tbh.
And as much as Wolfman may be the scion of good intentions, he has been proven wrong about things many times in recent history. Given that I believe he personally created Aim Assist, I hesitate to doubt him on this. :)
I doubt it as well but will get to the bottom of this as I have video recording software and I just so happen to have some aurum and a bunch of skills to level 5.
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Captain-Awesome
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
556
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Posted - 2014.01.23 13:54:00 -
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aw why can't I post images :(
> Registered: March 2011
>Role: Logistics
Waiting for dust to go on PS4
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3487
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Posted - 2014.01.23 14:30:00 -
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Captain-Awesome wrote:aw why can't I post images :( Just post a link.
My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity
And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
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Vag Eye Lenol
Planetary Asset Protection Services
18
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Posted - 2014.01.23 16:15:00 -
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THE GREY CARDINAL wrote:Kristoff Atruin wrote:The P2W aspect is worse than anyone has imagined. I bought some AUR stuff and now I can't walk down the street without women throwing themselves at me. P2W? More like P2W@Life Man I thought I was going mad, so it's not just me...I started to use AUR items and I just feel smarter, my pecs, buttocks and abs are more defined and my body has this really strong pheromone that is drawing the ladies in. I feel smarter, stronger and able to stay hard for 300% longer.
Try wearing an AUR suit... man oh man... Best years of my life. |
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