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Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 293	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:17:00 - [1] - Quote We all know that the proper way to play an FPS is with a keyboard and mouse. From the very beginning of shooters, the KBM has been there, providing precise inputs and numerous ways to interact with the game. However, since the introduction of the controller, many users have become blinded and disoriented. Several poor souls haven't even used the KBM, believing the slow, inefficient controller and analog sticks to be the proper method of playing FPSes. And those blinded and ignorant few are the loudest whiners. Look at how they've demanded CCP introduce and buff Auto Aim. See how they cease the calls for control fixes once their slice of the pie is dealt with. Look how vehicle inputs have ludicrously been optimized for controllers with no consideration given to the keyboard and mouse. One need only try to fly a dropship with a mouse or sit in the passenger seat of an LAV and try to look around. The wild oscillations of the camera show how little thought CCP has given to the rightful heirs and most numerous progeny of the FPS. When will CCP give proper attention to those silent, languishing masses? When will the absurd sensitivity of the camera within a vehicle be attended to? When shall the KBM user, discriminated against and looked down upon, be able to play an FPS not just on equal ground as their poor wayward controller brethren, but as the FPS is meant to be played? With a Keyboard, Mouse, and no auto aim? If ever there was a time for oppressed souls to rise up, it would be now. But alas, they shall stay silent. They will watch, and one day, fade away, barely even a memory. For they stay polite and speak only when spoken to, but the loud controllers hurtle verbal vomit with nary a thought.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4375	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:27:00 - [2] - Quote i use the ds4 so :p Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Horizen Kenpachi Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:30:00 - [3] - Quote Try the ps move u have it easy Hit me with your nerf bat.
castba Penguin's March 287	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:32:00 - [4] - Quote Pretty sure that "from the beginning of shooters" it was keyboard only (arrow keys to move/turn, and generally space to fire)
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 3061	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:33:00 - [5] - Quote DS 3 just feels comfortable to me Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando? Forum warrior 3
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1509	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:33:00 - [6] - Quote DS3 (or 4) user here saying AA is bad... Also it's not my fault that I and maybe others are better with a controller than you, although I've been using it for years so... Just because you think FPS games can only be played with kb/m doesn't mean everyone thinks that. I do just fine with the DS3 (or 4). Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 990	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:35:00 - [7] - Quote If you want to use KBM go play a PC shooter, this is a console game it should have only been DS3 but whiny eve players didn't want to adapt. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 445	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:38:00 - [8] - Quote Plays on a console with no native KBM support. Demands KBM be most focused on means of input. Logic
The Attorney General 1837	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:39:00 - [9] - Quote Because this is a console game. If you absolutely need equal footing with the KB+M combo, there are all sorts of PC games to satisfy you. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 116	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:40:00 - [10] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: DS3 (or 4) user here saying AA is bad... Also it's not my fault that I and maybe others are better with a controller than you, although I've been using it for years so... Just because you think FPS games can only be played with kb/m doesn't mean everyone thinks that. I do just fine with the DS3 (or 4). unless you own a ps4, you are using a DS3 ...Yeah, i use a heavy machine gun, and I think i do a Damn good job at it. i eat babies forum warrior Lv0

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1512	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:41:00 - [11] - Quote Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: unless you own a ps4, you are using a DS3 I do own a PS4, but the DS4 also works with Dust on the PS3 fyi. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 116	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:42:00 - [12] - Quote i did not know you could use the DS4 on the ps3 ...Yeah, i use a heavy machine gun, and I think i do a Damn good job at it. i eat babies forum warrior Lv0
Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 295	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:43:00 - [13] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Plays on a console with no native KBM support. Demands KBM be most focused on means of input. Logic Ah, a dead corporation. Well, it may surprise you to learn that the PS3 has native KBM support. Try plugging in a keyboard sometime! Have you ever wondered how people navigate Netflix or the PSN store? What fool would slowly type in each letter in a search with a controller? Even Sony realizes that the KBM is an essential form of input.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 346	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:43:00 - [14] - Quote I used a keyboard and mouse originally because the movement was smoother beyond compare. For a vehicle, using the controller was such a complete pain. Now I just use it mostly because my controller's right stick gets stuck at times and when I play for an extended period of time with it my hands start to cramp. Basically, it is just habit now and my controller sucks.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1071	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:48:00 - [15] - Quote Horizen Kenpachi wrote: Try the ps move u have it easy agree, the ps move is a great way to play shooters (esp with gun attachment) and actually very precise if done correctly. just look at killzone, it worked great there. in dust on the other hand it looks like it is programmed by poop.
Donwalis BIG BAD W0LVES 10	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:04:00 - [16] - Quote no Kbm wasn't the first input device for a fps before home pc everyone went to an arcade to play and there my friend was -----wait for it .low and behold a joy stick and button
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 448	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:19:00 - [17] - Quote I used to use KB/M controls, but with so many things broken on it I started practicing with the DS3 more and more My combat performance with the DS3 quickly eclipsed my performance with the mouse. Thanks for showing me the light console folk If you hadn't so fervently argued against any development time being spent on refining KB/M controls, I would still hardly be a threat to you as anything other than a redline sniper, ignorant and content with my smooth, working controls. Now, I've got a decent chance of shredding protobears with a standard combat rifle. Seriously, it is so ******* easy to splatter someone with a combat rifle or scrambler rifle with the DS3 by dancing left and right letting AA do all the work while I tap the trigger, I barely even have to think. I'd NEVER be able to make that many bullets stay on target with the mouse in close quarters.
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2284	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:31:00 - [18] - Quote Ohh goons. Going for the low hanging fruit of stirring up the KB/M vs controller debate. I'll bite though, use the DS3. Go native. To hell with the KB/M. Hail Satan
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1911	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:38:00 - [19] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: If you want to use KBM go play a PC shooter, this is a console game it should have only been DS3 but whiny eve players didn't want to adapt. LOL. Dust should have been on PC to begin with. No 12 yr old CoD-playing, mountaindew-swilling, instant gratification scrubs there. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
BAM HUSQVARNA Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 84	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:40:00 - [20] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: We all know that the proper way to play an FPS is with a keyboard and mouse. From the very beginning of shooters, the KBM has been there, providing precise inputs and numerous ways to interact with the game. However, since the introduction of the controller, many users have become blinded and disoriented. Several poor souls haven't even used the KBM, believing the slow, inefficient controller and analog sticks to be the proper method of playing FPSes. And those blinded and ignorant few are the loudest whiners. Look at how they've demanded CCP introduce and buff Auto Aim. See how they cease the calls for control fixes once their slice of the pie is dealt with. Look how vehicle inputs have ludicrously been optimized for controllers with no consideration given to the keyboard and mouse. One need only try to fly a dropship with a mouse or sit in the passenger seat of an LAV and try to look around. The wild oscillations of the camera show how little thought CCP has given to the rightful heirs and most numerous progeny of the FPS. When will CCP give proper attention to those silent, languishing masses? When will the absurd sensitivity of the camera within a vehicle be attended to? When shall the KBM user, discriminated against and looked down upon, be able to play an FPS not just on equal ground as their poor wayward controller brethren, but as the FPS is meant to be played? With a Keyboard, Mouse, and no auto aim? If ever there was a time for oppressed souls to rise up, it would be now. But alas, they shall stay silent. They will watch, and one day, fade away, barely even a memory. For they stay polite and speak only when spoken to, but the loud controllers hurtle verbal vomit with nary a thought. Time to pick up the DS3 pal. No way CCP are going to fix KB/M and get rid of the insanely strong auto aim.

dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2284	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:42:00 - [21] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: If you want to use KBM go play a PC shooter, this is a console game it should have only been DS3 but whiny eve players didn't want to adapt. LOL. Dust should have been on PC to begin with. No 12 yr old CoD-playing, mountaindew-swilling, instant gratification scrubs there. Thats some multilayered subtle sarcasm there. Just needs a cheetos reference to be complete. Hail Satan
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 568	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:44:00 - [22] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: If you want to use KBM go play a PC shooter, this is a console game it should have only been DS3 but whiny eve players didn't want to adapt. LOL. Dust should have been on PC to begin with. No 12 yr old CoD-playing, mountaindew-swilling, instant gratification scrubs there. Nope just cellar dwelling, 30 year old neck bearded, virginal, mama's boys make up the PC master race. Boy isn't stereotyping fun! Anybody can do it.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1187	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:44:00 - [23] - Quote I wasn't aware that silent minorities had "languishing masses". here I though only majorities could have masses. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
BAM HUSQVARNA Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 84	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:46:00 - [24] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: I used to use KB/M controls, but with so many things broken on it I started practicing with the DS3 more and more My combat performance with the DS3 quickly eclipsed my performance with the mouse. Thanks for showing me the light console folk If you hadn't so fervently argued against any development time being spent on refining KB/M controls, I would still hardly be a threat to you as anything other than a redline sniper, ignorant and content with my smooth, working controls. Now, I've got a decent chance of shredding protobears with a standard combat rifle. Seriously, it is so ******* easy to splatter someone with a combat rifle or scrambler rifle with the DS3 by dancing left and right letting AA do all the work while I tap the trigger, I barely even have to think. I'd NEVER be able to make that many bullets stay on target with the mouse in close quarters. ^ This dude is so on the money it ain't even funny... Are there any calls to get rid of the auto aim?
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 102	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:50:00 - [25] - Quote Sounds to me your butt Hirt because you suck on the DS3/4. I've played kb/m on almost all fps and only started using a ds3 recently when I started dust514 and I found it fine to use as I can still stomp without A. (I did try it and found it meh) So OP you should HTFU and use a DS3 or quit because CCP right is only interested in getting content out right now among bug fixes to graphics, adding more model animation etc. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3266	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:59:00 - [26] - Quote I play with a super-leet trackball, and one of these awesome keyboards. Join my cult.
Talryn Vilneram SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 151	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:04:00 - [27] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Plays on a console with no native KBM support. Demands KBM be most focused on means of input. Logic AH HA HA HA HA HA HA! You are trolling right? Because you know the PS3 HAS NATIVE KB/M SUPPORT. I play with a Logitech wireles KB/M that i also use for my laptop. GET DUNKED NERD! LOL
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 226	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:20:00 - [28] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: We all know that the proper way to play an FPS is with a keyboard and mouse. From the very beginning of shooters, the KBM has been there, providing precise inputs and numerous ways to interact with the game. However, since the introduction of the controller, many users have become blinded and disoriented. Several poor souls haven't even used the KBM, believing the slow, inefficient controller and analog sticks to be the proper method of playing FPSes. And those blinded and ignorant few are the loudest whiners. Look at how they've demanded CCP introduce and buff Auto Aim. See how they cease the calls for control fixes once their slice of the pie is dealt with. Look how vehicle inputs have ludicrously been optimized for controllers with no consideration given to the keyboard and mouse. One need only try to fly a dropship with a mouse or sit in the passenger seat of an LAV and try to look around. The wild oscillations of the camera show how little thought CCP has given to the rightful heirs and most numerous progeny of the FPS. When will CCP give proper attention to those silent, languishing masses? When will the absurd sensitivity of the camera within a vehicle be attended to? When shall the KBM user, discriminated against and looked down upon, be able to play an FPS not just on equal ground as their poor wayward controller brethren, but as the FPS is meant to be played? With a Keyboard, Mouse, and no auto aim? If ever there was a time for oppressed souls to rise up, it would be now. But alas, they shall stay silent. They will watch, and one day, fade away, barely even a memory. For they stay polite and speak only when spoken to, but the loud controllers hurtle verbal vomit with nary a thought. iDK the condition of kb m on ps3 as I only use DS3 but I started gaming fps on pc with doom and quake eventually Halo 1 CE for PC, that was a game very similar to Dust514 in terms of ttk and the importance of strafing, I could 3sk most people with my pistol those of us who played it through to about 2007 tried several times switching to a, DS3 style of controller for the PC and we sucked, this game had no aim assisit and the fact is kbm was way more accurate, so from that experience thats why we have aim assist, that being said I wish we didnt. I still however think if kbm inputs are sub par that they could and should be attended to, if technology is the limiting factor then please just tell us. I also understand the focus on the primary input device for this gaming system, I also think you need to cater to your nerds in Eve that might want to do something in between jumping gates and sitting in front of their kbm getting crumbs off of left click.
IrishWebster Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 158	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:35:00 - [29] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: We all know that the proper way to sound like an elitist moron while playing an FPS is to claim that keyboard and mouse users are, in every way, superior to the mouth-breathing, slack-jawed Neanderthals who use the controllers that were designed with consoles in mind. Never mind that they have worked bloody fine for generations, we'll whine about how we're under-represented because the BEST way to play everything, EVER is to play with a keyboard and mouse. Fixed that for you.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 482	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:37:00 - [30] - Quote Origin of the word Goon--Gooney--meaning: Simpleton, idiot, stupid. In other words, the traditional terminology for goon is an idiot hired for brute force, who is easily manipulated and used due to not having coherent intelligence. I'm just placing this info here so you can think about your choice of Corporations before you go about trying to make a big speech... Eltra Ardell wrote: We all know that the proper way to play an FPS is with a keyboard and mouse. From the very beginning of shooters, the KBM has been there, providing precise inputs and numerous ways to interact with the game. However, since the introduction of the controller, many users have become blinded and disoriented. Several poor souls haven't even used the KBM, believing the slow, inefficient controller and analog sticks to be the proper method of playing FPSes. Sorry, the Joystick was invented and used for actual warfare long before the prototypes of the mouse even existed. Eltra Ardell wrote: And those blinded and ignorant few are the loudest whiners. Look at how they've demanded CCP introduce and buff Auto Aim. See how they cease the calls for control fixes once their slice of the pie is dealt with. Look how vehicle inputs have ludicrously been optimized for controllers with no consideration given to the keyboard and mouse. One need only try to fly a dropship with a mouse or sit in the passenger seat of an LAV and try to look around. The wild oscillations of the camera show how little thought CCP has given to the rightful heirs and most numerous progeny of the FPS. And next you'll be asking that the PS3 doesn't have support for an X-box controller. The fact you get any KB/M support at all is a godsend. They could have just as easily ignored it completely. The only way you'd even remotely have a point in this statement is if every PlayStation came packaged with a Keyboard and Mouse. I mean look at what you wrote. "The controls are designed for an input device that 100% of all people who buy a PlayStation get with the system. I demand they spend all their time making a minority input device that only 15%-25% of users actually play with into the easiest method of controlling to use!" Eltra Ardell wrote: When will CCP give proper attention to those silent, languishing masses? When will the absurd sensitivity of the camera within a vehicle be attended to? When shall the KBM user, discriminated against and looked down upon, be able to play an FPS not just on equal ground as their poor wayward controller brethren, but as the FPS is meant to be played? With a Keyboard, Mouse, and no auto aim? You can actually USE a KB/M for this game says quite a bit. Also "Auto Aim" it's Aim Assist, and it's function is to remove the dead spot at the center of a joypad. As I've explained time and time again to the ignorant, Aim Assist only sticks to objects that pass the crosshair, it cannot "jump to" an object, and is as active as a rubbery window sticky you can buy in an arcade. A Mouse does not have a deadspace at the center of it's movement. Hence it has no need for "deadspace removal". Eltra Ardell wrote: If ever there was a time for oppressed souls to rise up, it would be now. But alas, they shall stay silent. They will watch, and one day, fade away, barely even a memory. For they stay polite and speak only when spoken to, but the loud controllers hurtle verbal vomit with nary a thought. The only thing oppressed here is... sigh .... never mind, you should really just.... go to a library, get something to read. Plenty of Science Fiction, adventure, whatever, or heck! Just write your own story! Creating an adventure for oneself is one of the best ways to increase general knowledge of the world, because it inspires one to research on their own terms... therefore what one learns there is far easier to remember and adapt. Learning and thinking can be fun, you just gotta make it so. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming

IrishWebster Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 158	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:48:00 - [31] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: iDK the condition of kb m on ps3 as I only use DS3 but I started gaming fps on pc with doom and quake eventually Halo 1 CE for PC, that was a game very similar to Dust514 in terms of ttk and the importance of strafing, I could 3sk most people with my pistol those of us who played it through to about 2007 tried several times switching to a, DS3 style of controller for the PC and we sucked, this game had no aim assisit and the fact is kbm was way more accurate, so from that experience thats why we have aim assist, that being said I wish we didnt. I still however think if kbm inputs are sub par that they could and should be attended to, if technology is the limiting factor then please just tell us. I also understand the focus on the primary input device for this gaming system, I also think you need to cater to your nerds in Eve that might want to do something in between jumping gates and sitting in front of their kbm getting crumbs off of left click. If you don't like us "EvE nerds," I suggest you go back to Halo or Doom. EvE isn't just a game- it's part of a universe called New Eden, one that Dust is also a part of. EvE was here first. This game is an expansion of that universe, and if you can't handle the links between it, playerbase and all, then feel free to take your kb/m elitism elsewhere.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 889	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:00:00 - [32] - Quote I've played competitive FPS games for the first decade of my video game endeavor's. From FPS Gaming Leagues to Lan Center competitions... EVE's hardcore nature attracted me to the RPG genre and thus CCP games. From my time playing in closed beta and then the open beta I repeatedly got shown that a competent Gamepad User could put me down just as efficiently as I could them. There was no difference in the competitive DUST circles, sometimes I would get the better, sometimes they would... I just wasn't as precise as I needed to be in the engagement or didn't move at the correct time.. The Gungame nature of those days in DUST earned players respect by playing and fighting each other. People got to know each other by the moment to moment memories you made in DUST fighting skilled FPS players in duels and squad play.... Now? Regardless of the argument of Gamepad Vs KB/M. That isn't even the point here. In Chromosome the Aiming System was regarded by consensus as "Decent" When Uprising Launched, CCP Wolfman Threw out that Aiming System and rebuilt one to save the 1-2 FPS drops the old Aiming system was causing. Uprising Aiming System was regarded by consensus as "Top 5 Worst Aiming Systems in FPS games Evar" After the community complaining about the terrible aiming system through 1.0,1.1,1.2,1.3. Which the Community was asking for epic control customizations Like DS3 Acceleration Curves, Granular Sensitivity(We got it After AA?), Controls mapping, Better max out Sensitivity, Deadzone settings. While Fixing the Friction zones for DS3 users so their fine movement aiming when over a mercenary make sense instead of repelling like it was in 1.0 and 1.1.. What we got is Strong Bullet Magnetism and Tracking.. Robbing the Gamepad Users of their acquired aiming practice and skills and it's relevance and ruining and sense of achievement that one got in the moment to moment gameplay DUST offered... and has lost since 1.4.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 227	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:12:00 - [33] - Quote As a KB&M user, shut your pie hole you flame bait *****. how about instead of undermining your position you support a thread that had momentum and wasn't a divisive community spiting post. please never post on these forums again.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 741	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:44:00 - [34] - Quote KB/M support honestly just needs to be removed Trying to balence DS3 and KB/M against each other is impossible.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1619	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:54:00 - [35] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: We all know that the proper way to play an FPS is with a keyboard and mouse. From the very beginning of shooters, the KBM has been there, providing precise inputs and numerous ways to interact with the game. However, since the introduction of the controller, many users have become blinded and disoriented. Several poor souls haven't even used the KBM, believing the slow, inefficient controller and analog sticks to be the proper method of playing FPSes. And those blinded and ignorant few are the loudest whiners. Look at how they've demanded CCP introduce and buff Auto Aim. See how they cease the calls for control fixes once their slice of the pie is dealt with. Look how vehicle inputs have ludicrously been optimized for controllers with no consideration given to the keyboard and mouse. One need only try to fly a dropship with a mouse or sit in the passenger seat of an LAV and try to look around. The wild oscillations of the camera show how little thought CCP has given to the rightful heirs and most numerous progeny of the FPS. When will CCP give proper attention to those silent, languishing masses? When will the absurd sensitivity of the camera within a vehicle be attended to? When shall the KBM user, discriminated against and looked down upon, be able to play an FPS not just on equal ground as their poor wayward controller brethren, but as the FPS is meant to be played? With a Keyboard, Mouse, and no auto aim? If ever there was a time for oppressed souls to rise up, it would be now. But alas, they shall stay silent. They will watch, and one day, fade away, barely even a memory. For they stay polite and speak only when spoken to, but the loud controllers hurtle verbal vomit with nary a thought. Umm, the DS3 is the native input, so it makes sense that it will get the most attention, that is what the majority of the console playerbase will play from. Please lets not start this Auto-Aim/Aim-Assist Bllsht AGAIN. If it really is as overpowered as you say, use it. I won't judge you! As you have said in your own post KBM is superior to Controller in many ways, as such expecting a few limitations on the KBM should be expected. HOWEVER I wholeheartedly agree that as an input method the KBM could do with some work. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 87	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:18:00 - [36] - Quote CCP - keep the new cool stuff like ths suits, weapons and maps. revert to chromosome build delete AA Oh and yes this game should have been developed for the PC. I can say with a quiet confidence that it would have had the same ammout of players if not more than you have here on the PS3. Also PC`s have the power to actually run this game the way it was meant to be. Greed is NOT GOOD CCP. PC was the way forwards.
Horizen Kenpachi Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 110	Posted - 2014.01.21 03:07:00 - [37] - Quote I use every thing snipe and forge kb/m rifle strafe ds3 dropships ps move u can aim with mouse while moving with ds3 yes both can be used at the same time reloadings a ***** though i use my nose to hit square coz mouse in the right hand i am a super nerd and proud whats better im still getting laid all inputs are down to peronal prefrence and il support them all u should consider it. Hit me with your nerf bat.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1914	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:30:00 - [38] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: If you want to use KBM go play a PC shooter, this is a console game it should have only been DS3 but whiny eve players didn't want to adapt. LOL. Dust should have been on PC to begin with. No 12 yr old CoD-playing, mountaindew-swilling, instant gratification scrubs there. Nope just cellar dwelling, 30 year old neck bearded, virginal, mama's boys make up the PC master race. Boy isn't stereotyping fun! Anybody can do it. Touched a nerve did I? Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 306	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:32:00 - [39] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: As a KB&M user, shut your pie hole you flame bait *****. how about instead of undermining your position you support a thread that had momentum and wasn't a divisive community spiting post. please never post on these forums again. Please refrain from making such inflammatory and insulting posts. You should endeavor to type coherently and only share productive thoughts in the future. Thank you!
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 455	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:35:00 - [40] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: Daddrobit wrote: Plays on a console with no native KBM support. Demands KBM be most focused on means of input. Logic Ah, a dead corporation. Well, it may surprise you to learn that the PS3 has native KBM support. Try plugging in a keyboard sometime! Have you ever wondered how people navigate Netflix or the PSN store? What fool would slowly type in each letter in a search with a controller? Even Sony realizes that the KBM is an essential form of input. First off my corporation has nothing to do with this topic regardless of its activity in dust. Second, I know that it can use a keyboard, I use one myself for typing, but what I meant was that every single PS3 sold was sold with a DS3, not a keyboard and mouse. To expect a developer to focus solely on a creating a more perfect input for the overwhelmingly minor portion of the PS3 playerbase that prefers it is simply not lucrative on their end. They need to focus on getting in as many people into the game as they possibly can, and that means greater focus will be, (rightfully) put on the 83,000,000+ DS3 users out there that can potentially download this game. Not the 350 EVE players that still play it.

M McManus 375	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:39:00 - [41] - Quote We've been screaming CCP just doesn't give a damn... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117341
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 88	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:40:00 - [42] - Quote castba wrote: Pretty sure that "from the beginning of shooters" it was keyboard only (arrow keys to move/turn, and generally space to fire) Way back I used to use a really large special joystick for FPS computer games. People are fortunate I don't bring that out of retirement from 17 years ago because it can't be used for DUST. I was far more accurate with that than any mouse or controller for any system ever. Necrophillia: That Uncontrollable Urge To Crack Open A Cold One.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 522	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:56:00 - [43] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: KB/M support honestly just needs to be removed Trying to balence DS3 and KB/M against each other is impossible. Did you play Chromosome? Best aiming for DS3 and KBM that this game has had. KBM users weren't "gods of the game" either. Top players were still DS3. We can play together and we have done it before. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole Durka durka.... Bitch.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 618	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:11:00 - [44] - Quote Actually, FPS's started with a controller. Also, Raw Input will never make it into the game. Controllers don't stand a chance. I haven't been here since Chromosome so I can't really talk about the old controls, but I CAN tell you this: If you are so dissatisfied, HTFU. The only ones who use KB/M are probably EvE players. You can also, use controllers if you'd like. If that doesn't help and you're still dissatisfied, you can give me your isk and leave. Balancing will be here between both control methods, so stay if you'd like, or leave. The game is slowly, but surely, improving.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 522	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:23:00 - [45] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Actually, FPS's started with a controller. Also, Raw Input will never make it into the game. Controllers don't stand a chance. I haven't been here since Chromosome so I can't really talk about the old controls, You can ask anyone who was there. It wasn't actual raw input but it worked well. Joel II X wrote: but I CAN tell you this: If you are so dissatisfied, HTFU. The only ones who use KB/M are probably EvE players. You can also, use controllers if you'd like. If that doesn't help and you're still dissatisfied, you can give me your isk and leave. Balancing will be here between both control methods, so stay if you'd like, or leave. The game is slowly, but surely, improving. Balance is exactly what we're after. Gimping the KBM and giving DS3 aim assist is not balance. The DS3 players can keep their AA if they like. We just need the ability to be just as accurate. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole Durka durka.... Bitch.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4501	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:30:00 - [46] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: If you want to use KBM go play a PC shooter, this is a console game it should have only been DS3 but whiny eve players didn't want to adapt. Okay, can we stop blaming anything we don't like on EVE players? As an EVE player myself who actually started out on console shooters, and used to use a gamepad for PC shooters until I got tired of getting killed by snap-180 mouse users, there wasn't any "adapting" to be done as far as using a controller. We aren't all some homogeneous mass of people who ruin things. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 2814	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:35:00 - [47] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: DS 3 just feels comfortable to me You're not supposed to feel comfortable. You're supposed to feel efficient. Is the game aiming for you? Yes, it is. You're not efficient.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4502	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:46:00 - [48] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: DS 3 just feels comfortable to me You're not supposed to feel comfortable. You're supposed to feel efficient. Is the game aiming for you? Yes, it is. You're not efficient. Wow, so how is this game different from every other console game which has aim assist? Maybe that these people who don't want to ADAPT are making ***** threads saying it's controller users who are the problem. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 276	Posted - 2014.01.21 06:07:00 - [49] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: DS 3 just feels comfortable to me You're not supposed to feel comfortable. You're supposed to feel efficient. Is the game aiming for you? Yes, it is. You're not efficient. Pretty sure I was pissing all up in your cornflakes the other day with a DS3 with AA turned off. Don't know why you sound so cocky.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 383	Posted - 2014.01.21 06:17:00 - [50] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: We all know that the proper way to play an FPS is with a keyboard and mouse. From the very beginning of shooters, the KBM has been there, providing precise inputs and numerous ways to interact with the game. However, since the introduction of the controller, many users have become blinded and disoriented. Several poor souls haven't even used the KBM, believing the slow, inefficient controller and analog sticks to be the proper method of playing FPSes. And those blinded and ignorant few are the loudest whiners. Look at how they've demanded CCP introduce and buff Auto Aim. See how they cease the calls for control fixes once their slice of the pie is dealt with. Look how vehicle inputs have ludicrously been optimized for controllers with no consideration given to the keyboard and mouse. One need only try to fly a dropship with a mouse or sit in the passenger seat of an LAV and try to look around. The wild oscillations of the camera show how little thought CCP has given to the rightful heirs and most numerous progeny of the FPS. When will CCP give proper attention to those silent, languishing masses? When will the absurd sensitivity of the camera within a vehicle be attended to? When shall the KBM user, discriminated against and looked down upon, be able to play an FPS not just on equal ground as their poor wayward controller brethren, but as the FPS is meant to be played? With a Keyboard, Mouse, and no auto aim? If ever there was a time for oppressed souls to rise up, it would be now. But alas, they shall stay silent. They will watch, and one day, fade away, barely even a memory. For they stay polite and speak only when spoken to, but the loud controllers hurtle verbal vomit with nary a thought. This is beyond one-sided. Adapt or HTFU. Don't look him in the eye, WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!!! I specialize in ridiculousness.

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1060	Posted - 2014.01.21 07:08:00 - [51] - Quote Kb/m master race. Stupid controller peons. . You have never experienced the awesomeness of good mouse input. Maybe you couldnt handle it. You need you *****ng aim assist to do anything. CCP give us raw mouse input so we can make these little DS3 kids go to their mama and cry!
m621 zma OMFGZOMBIESRUN 94	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:27:00 - [52] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: Daddrobit wrote: Plays on a console with no native KBM support. Demands KBM be most focused on means of input. Logic Ah, a dead corporation. Well, it may surprise you to learn that the PS3 has native KBM support. Try plugging in a keyboard sometime! Have you ever wondered how people navigate Netflix or the PSN store? What fool would slowly type in each letter in a search with a controller? Even Sony realizes that the KBM is an essential form of input. So essential that they removed native kbm support from the ps4
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 93	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:31:00 - [53] - Quote Horizen Kenpachi wrote: Try the ps move u have it easy Playing with the move controller is super fun but very gimped. Closed Beta Veteran
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 98	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:35:00 - [54] - Quote I don't mind the controller, what bothers me is the sluggish movement. The sense of speed is so much less in Dust than other shooters I play. Then you add on the terrible stamina meter...
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 524	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:44:00 - [55] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Kb/m master race. Stupid controller peons. . You have never experienced the awesomeness of good mouse input. Maybe you couldnt handle it. You need your fcking aim assist to do anything. CCP give us raw mouse input so we can make these little DS3 kids go to their mama and cry! What I really don't want is a pointless forum war between DS3 and KBM. We can coexist. I don't want either to be more OP than the other. I want both to work properly (the Move too). Right now, the KBM needs work to bring it up to par with the DS3. That doesn't necessarily mean raw input. I'm pretty sure Chromosome wasn't and it worked great for both. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole* Durka durka.... Bitch.
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 164	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:55:00 - [56] - Quote Aim is wonky, but straffing is BS. They give you dead zone emulation in straffing and you can have raw input until then STFU and HTFU. What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 873	Posted - 2014.01.21 09:39:00 - [57] - Quote McFurious wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Kb/m master race.you couldnt handle it. You need your f*cking aim assist to do anything. CCP give us raw mouse input so we can make these little DS3 kids go to their mama and cry! What I really don't want is a pointless forum war between DS3 and KBM. We can coexist. I don't want either to be more OP than the other. I want both to work properly (the Move too). Right now, the KBM needs work to bring it up to par with the DS3. That doesn't necessarily mean raw input. I'm pretty sure Chromosome wasn't and it worked great for both. +1 If anything DS3 users should promote and support kb/m just like any other input CCP has promised along with Dust, if for nothing else but for the future of this game: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131284
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2915	Posted - 2014.01.21 09:53:00 - [58] - Quote How can you make the case that KB/M is superior, and in the same post complain about aim assist for controllers? No.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4507	Posted - 2014.01.21 12:59:00 - [59] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: McFurious wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Kb/m master race.you couldnt handle it. You need your fcking aim assist to do anything. CCP give us raw mouse input so we can make these little DS3 kids go to their mama and cry! What I really don't want is a pointless forum war between DS3 and KBM. We can coexist. I don't want either to be more OP than the other. I want both to work properly (the Move too). Right now, the KBM needs work to bring it up to par with the DS3. That doesn't necessarily mean raw input. I'm pretty sure Chromosome wasn't and it worked great for both. +1 If anything DS3 users should promote and support kb/m just like any other input CCP has promised along with Dust, if for nothing else but for the future of this game: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131284 Amen to that. Been tired of this damn fight from the start, and threads like this trying to claim that one or the other is more important isn't helping. Hell, I'd like to be able to use the Move Sharpshooter someday, but BOTH sides *** on that idea. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 309	Posted - 2014.01.21 14:21:00 - [60] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: How can you make the case that KB/M is superior, and in the same post complain about aim assist for controllers? What is auto aim but evidence of the inferiority of the controller? Why should one need the game to aim for you in one case and not the other, of not to make up for deficiencies in the control scheme? I ask you how can you question the superiority of the KBM as long as auto aim exists?

Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 196	Posted - 2014.01.21 14:23:00 - [61] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: If you want to use KBM go play a PC shooter, this is a console game it should have only been DS3 but whiny eve SCRUBS didn't want to adapt.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 164	Posted - 2014.01.21 14:49:00 - [62] - Quote This is a console game. Not a pc-game. It would also be unfair to controller users if you have posters run around with KBM and the game being optimized for KBM. A player playing a console game should be able to play on equal footing with the equipment right out of the box when they buy theconsole in question. They shouldn't have to rely on buying additional equipment just to stay competitive with the people who have (it woulf be the very definition of bad business).
8213 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1419	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:25:00 - [63] - Quote OP, never go full r*tard. . . Fish in a bucket!
Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 310	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:38:00 - [64] - Quote So much vomit being spewed out by the vocal DS3 minority. As predicted. They care only about themselves, the poor misguided fools...
Atheor Sindromer Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 21	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:32:00 - [65] - Quote Are you seriously expecting a free to play game released on a console to focus its attention on KB/M controls? In what world of logic do you even live in? Love the sinner, hate the Sindromer.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 164	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:36:00 - [66] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: So much vomit being spewed out by the vocal DS3 minority. As predicted. They care only about themselves, the poor misguided fools... Pretentious much? It's not like you give two *** about anoyne other than yourself with this idiot thread of yours. You don't like using a controller, so you just *** and moan about it, and invent arbitrary reasons as to why things should be like you want them, and then falsely try to convey this image that you somehow care for "others" and not just you. Kinda funny to watch, but not really a good way to make a case. Also, in Dust we're hardly any kind of "minority". The KBM-users are...
Zelorian Dexter snr Nex Miles Militis 170	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:51:00 - [67] - Quote I must be using a different AA to everyone else mine sucks balls. I actually find it easier to hit with it turned off.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 577	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:13:00 - [68] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: If you want to use KBM go play a PC shooter, this is a console game it should have only been DS3 but whiny eve players didn't want to adapt. LOL. Dust should have been on PC to begin with. No 12 yr old CoD-playing, mountaindew-swilling, instant gratification scrubs there. Nope just cellar dwelling, 30 year old neck bearded, virginal, mama's boys make up the PC master race. Boy isn't stereotyping fun! Anybody can do it. Touched a nerve did I? Not really, I just countered your ridiculous stereotyping with some of my own, or if you were intending to be sarcastic I added some sarcasm to yours. I'm 37, I've been console gaming with a controller since Atari.
Blind Nojoy G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 112	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:19:00 - [69] - Quote I prefer using a KBM for most shooters, but for dust I use the DS3. I also just switched to the DS4 and I like it a lot. Even if KBM controls were great, I would most likely still stick with. DS4 because I don't like playing a desk. There's a lot of opinionated people chiming in here, and that's fine. But they are just opinions. Let's look at the facts: 1. CCP advertises KBM support. 2. PS3 has native KBM support. So, it would stand to reason that CCP gives it's paying customers who choose to use a SUPPORTED input device at least marginally useable controls. Right now, they do not have that, and haven't had working controls since chrome. As long as #1 above is true, people complaining about aka am users are wrong. "But it's a console... " See #1. KBM users have a legitimate complaint. Aiming down sights with a rail rifle is a night and day difference. I tested it. With KBM aiming down sights, I went through at least 4 times the ammo to get the kill with an advanced RR. When I used my DS4 in the same match, those kills were basically instablaps. A skilled KBM user is at a distinct disadvantage when facing a skilled DS3/4 user because AA is still too strong, and KBM is garbage. IF CCP supports multiple control inputs, then they should f*cking support them. Not half ass it, which is the current state of KBM. TL;DR As long as #1 is true, then the DS3 only crowd really don't have an argument. When #1 is NOT true , then we can have a big dual shock circle jerk. Until then, STFU about it, and CCP fix your input so we don't keep losing players over it.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 577	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:22:00 - [70] - Quote Blind Nojoy wrote: I prefer using a KBM for most shooters, but for dust I use the DS3. I also just switched to the DS4 and I like it a lot. Even if KBM controls were great, I would most likely still stick with. DS4 because I don't like playing a desk. There's a lot of opinionated people chiming in here, and that's fine. But they are just opinions. Let's look at the facts: 1. CCP advertises KBM support. 2. PS3 has native KBM support. So, it would stand to reason that CCP gives it's paying customers who choose to use a SUPPORTED input device at least marginally useable controls. Right now, they do not have that, and haven't had working controls since chrome. As long as #1 above is true, people complaining about aka am users are wrong. "But it's a console... " See #1. KBM users have a legitimate complaint. Aiming down sights with a rail rifle is a night and day difference. I tested it. With KBM aiming down sights, I went through at least 4 times the ammo to get the kill with an advanced RR. When I used my DS4 in the same match, those kills were basically instablaps. A skilled KBM user is at a distinct disadvantage when facing a skilled DS3/4 user because AA is still too strong, and KBM is garbage. IF CCP supports multiple control inputs, then they should f*cking support them. Not half ass it, which is the current state of KBM. TL;DR As long as #1 is true, then the DS3 only crowd really don't have an argument. When #1 is NOT true , then we can have a big dual shock circle jerk. Until then, STFU about it, and CCP fix your input so we don't keep losing players over it. Do you just have to plug your DS4 into the PS3 and you're off and running playing Dust with it? Also, you have to stay corded right?

Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 313	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:28:00 - [71] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Eltra Ardell wrote: So much vomit being spewed out by the vocal DS3 minority. As predicted. They care only about themselves, the poor misguided fools... Pretentious much? It's not like you give two *** about anoyne other than yourself with this idiot thread of yours. You don't like using a controller, so you just *** and moan about it, and invent arbitrary reasons as to why things should be like you want them, and then falsely try to convey this image that you somehow care for "others" and not just you. Kinda funny to watch, but not really a good way to make a case. Also, in Dust we're hardly any kind of "minority". The KBM-users are... And yet again do the misguided act as I predicted. Will they ever learn? Will they ever embrace equality? Or will they continue their hate-filled posting and campaign for continued superiority? I think the answer is obvious, unfortunately.
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:29:00 - [72] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: We all know that the proper way to play an FPS is with a keyboard and mouse. From the very beginning of shooters, the KBM has been there, providing precise inputs and numerous ways to interact with the game. However, since the introduction of the controller, many users have become blinded and disoriented. Several poor souls haven't even used the KBM, believing the slow, inefficient controller and analog sticks to be the proper method of playing FPSes. And those blinded and ignorant few are the loudest whiners. Look at how they've demanded CCP introduce and buff Auto Aim. See how they cease the calls for control fixes once their slice of the pie is dealt with. Look how vehicle inputs have ludicrously been optimized for controllers with no consideration given to the keyboard and mouse. One need only try to fly a dropship with a mouse or sit in the passenger seat of an LAV and try to look around. The wild oscillations of the camera show how little thought CCP has given to the rightful heirs and most numerous progeny of the FPS. When will CCP give proper attention to those silent, languishing masses? When will the absurd sensitivity of the camera within a vehicle be attended to? When shall the KBM user, discriminated against and looked down upon, be able to play an FPS not just on equal ground as their poor wayward controller brethren, but as the FPS is meant to be played? With a Keyboard, Mouse, and no auto aim? If ever there was a time for oppressed souls to rise up, it would be now. But alas, they shall stay silent. They will watch, and one day, fade away, barely even a memory. For they stay polite and speak only when spoken to, but the loud controllers hurtle verbal vomit with nary a thought. I have never played an FPS with KBM. I am the real Darken
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4396	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:37:00 - [73] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Blind Nojoy wrote: I prefer using a KBM for most shooters, but for dust I use the DS3. I also just switched to the DS4 and I like it a lot. Even if KBM controls were great, I would most likely still stick with. DS4 because I don't like playing a desk. There's a lot of opinionated people chiming in here, and that's fine. But they are just opinions. Let's look at the facts: 1. CCP advertises KBM support. 2. PS3 has native KBM support. So, it would stand to reason that CCP gives it's paying customers who choose to use a SUPPORTED input device at least marginally useable controls. Right now, they do not have that, and haven't had working controls since chrome. As long as #1 above is true, people complaining about aka am users are wrong. "But it's a console... " See #1. KBM users have a legitimate complaint. Aiming down sights with a rail rifle is a night and day difference. I tested it. With KBM aiming down sights, I went through at least 4 times the ammo to get the kill with an advanced RR. When I used my DS4 in the same match, those kills were basically instablaps. A skilled KBM user is at a distinct disadvantage when facing a skilled DS3/4 user because AA is still too strong, and KBM is garbage. IF CCP supports multiple control inputs, then they should f*cking support them. Not half ass it, which is the current state of KBM. TL;DR As long as #1 is true, then the DS3 only crowd really don't have an argument. When #1 is NOT true , then we can have a big dual shock circle jerk. Until then, STFU about it, and CCP fix your input so we don't keep losing players over it. Do you just have to plug your DS4 into the PS3 and you're off and running playing Dust with it? Also, you have to stay corded right? yeah thats all there is too it, the option and share buttons become start and select, and the ps button doesn't work. other than that it functions just like the ds3. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Blind Nojoy G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 112	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:37:00 - [74] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Blind Nojoy wrote: I prefer using a KBM for most shooters, but for dust I use the DS3. I also just switched to the DS4 and I like it a lot. Even if KBM controls were great, I would most likely still stick with. DS4 because I don't like playing a desk. There's a lot of opinionated people chiming in here, and that's fine. But they are just opinions. Let's look at the facts: 1. CCP advertises KBM support. 2. PS3 has native KBM support. So, it would stand to reason that CCP gives it's paying customers who choose to use a SUPPORTED input device at least marginally useable controls. Right now, they do not have that, and haven't had working controls since chrome. As long as #1 above is true, people complaining about aka am users are wrong. "But it's a console... " See #1. KBM users have a legitimate complaint. Aiming down sights with a rail rifle is a night and day difference. I tested it. With KBM aiming down sights, I went through at least 4 times the ammo to get the kill with an advanced RR. When I used my DS4 in the same match, those kills were basically instablaps. A skilled KBM user is at a distinct disadvantage when facing a skilled DS3/4 user because AA is still too strong, and KBM is garbage. IF CCP supports multiple control inputs, then they should f*cking support them. Not half ass it, which is the current state of KBM. TL;DR As long as #1 is true, then the DS3 only crowd really don't have an argument. When #1 is NOT true , then we can have a big dual shock circle jerk. Until then, STFU about it, and CCP fix your input so we don't keep losing players over it. Do you just have to plug your DS4 into the PS3 and you're off and running playing Dust with it? Also, you have to stay corded right? Yeah you plug it it and then hold two buttons until it's recognized by the system. After that you can plug and unplug as you want. And yes, it needs to stay plugged in to work. I hope they do a firmware update so they can work wirelessly . The new controllers are much much better in my opinion.
Blind Nojoy G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 112	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:39:00 - [75] - Quote Blind Nojoy wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Blind Nojoy wrote: I prefer using a KBM for most shooters, but for dust I use the DS3. I also just switched to the DS4 and I like it a lot. Even if KBM controls were great, I would most likely still stick with. DS4 because I don't like playing a desk. There's a lot of opinionated people chiming in here, and that's fine. But they are just opinions. Let's look at the facts: 1. CCP advertises KBM support. 2. PS3 has native KBM support. So, it would stand to reason that CCP gives it's paying customers who choose to use a SUPPORTED input device at least marginally useable controls. Right now, they do not have that, and haven't had working controls since chrome. As long as #1 above is true, people complaining about aka am users are wrong. "But it's a console... " See #1. KBM users have a legitimate complaint. Aiming down sights with a rail rifle is a night and day difference. I tested it. With KBM aiming down sights, I went through at least 4 times the ammo to get the kill with an advanced RR. When I used my DS4 in the same match, those kills were basically instablaps. A skilled KBM user is at a distinct disadvantage when facing a skilled DS3/4 user because AA is still too strong, and KBM is garbage. IF CCP supports multiple control inputs, then they should f*cking support them. Not half ass it, which is the current state of KBM. TL;DR As long as #1 is true, then the DS3 only crowd really don't have an argument. When #1 is NOT true , then we can have a big dual shock circle jerk. Until then, STFU about it, and CCP fix your input so we don't keep losing players over it. Do you just have to plug your DS4 into the PS3 and you're off and running playing Dust with it? Also, you have to stay corded right? Yeah you plug it it and then hold two buttons until it's recognized by the system. After that you can plug and unplug as you want. And yes, it needs to stay plugged in to work. I hope they do a firmware update so they can work wirelessly . The new controllers are much much better in my opinion. Also, it didn't work on my fat ps3. Only worked on the new slim one. Not sure if that's just me or if that's a known issues with the fat ones.
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 100	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:39:00 - [76] - Quote Meh, the Kb/M support is ok. I use a Kb/M most of the time, but I can just as easily use the DS. If you want to have the best of both worlds, just use an emulator. (I suppose that is soft-spoken-midwestern for HTFU) -Aramis
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 577	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:44:00 - [77] - Quote Blind Nojoy wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Blind Nojoy wrote: I prefer using a KBM for most shooters, but for dust I use the DS3. I also just switched to the DS4 and I like it a lot. Even if KBM controls were great, I would most likely still stick with. DS4 because I don't like playing a desk. There's a lot of opinionated people chiming in here, and that's fine. But they are just opinions. Let's look at the facts: 1. CCP advertises KBM support. 2. PS3 has native KBM support. So, it would stand to reason that CCP gives it's paying customers who choose to use a SUPPORTED input device at least marginally useable controls. Right now, they do not have that, and haven't had working controls since chrome. As long as #1 above is true, people complaining about aka am users are wrong. "But it's a console... " See #1. KBM users have a legitimate complaint. Aiming down sights with a rail rifle is a night and day difference. I tested it. With KBM aiming down sights, I went through at least 4 times the ammo to get the kill with an advanced RR. When I used my DS4 in the same match, those kills were basically instablaps. A skilled KBM user is at a distinct disadvantage when facing a skilled DS3/4 user because AA is still too strong, and KBM is garbage. IF CCP supports multiple control inputs, then they should f*cking support them. Not half ass it, which is the current state of KBM. TL;DR As long as #1 is true, then the DS3 only crowd really don't have an argument. When #1 is NOT true , then we can have a big dual shock circle jerk. Until then, STFU about it, and CCP fix your input so we don't keep losing players over it. Do you just have to plug your DS4 into the PS3 and you're off and running playing Dust with it? Also, you have to stay corded right? Yeah you plug it it and then hold two buttons until it's recognized by the system. After that you can plug and unplug as you want. And yes, it needs to stay plugged in to work. I hope they do a firmware update so they can work wirelessly . The new controllers are much much better in my opinion. Oh yeah the DS4 is vastly superior to DS3. I can't wait until Dust is on PS4 and things like squad commands are bound to the touch pad ala drone control in KZ: SF
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1606	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:45:00 - [78] - Quote Play FPS on my Rig with KB/M. Play FPS on Consoles with DS3. Simple. And if dust 514 was on PC, it would still be populated by eve players. As a FPS to compete against other FPS on its home turf? lol Dust514 wouldn't survive.
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion 1249	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:50:00 - [79] - Quote Meh some ppl have said they should just take KB/M support away, they basically did when they completely screwed the KB/M and made it nearly unusable, I go as far as saying they introduced anti aim assist to the KB/M, but don't worry you can take away the support for KB/M any time you want, I've got this neat little device that emulates a mouse and gives me the same aim assist that makes a lot of you feel so superior. Its absolutely amazing without AA on i put the crosshairs over a target and fire, their shields get a little scratched, with AA on every damn bullet gets sucked into a blackhole on their chest and I get a kill, so yeah take away the support all you like KB/M is in every console shooter your playing, except in this one they don't get AA unless they buy third party hardware.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 534	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:13:00 - [80] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Meh some ppl have said they should just take KB/M support away, they basically did when they completely screwed the KB/M and made it nearly unusable, I go as far as saying they introduced anti aim assist to the KB/M, but don't worry you can take away the support for KB/M any time you want, I've got this neat little device that emulates a mouse and gives me the same aim assist that makes a lot of you feel so superior. Its absolutely amazing without AA on i put the crosshairs over a target and fire, their shields get a little scratched, with AA on every damn bullet gets sucked into a blackhole on their chest and I get a kill, so yeah take away the support all you like KB/M is in every console shooter your playing, except in this one they don't get AA unless they buy third party hardware. The game needs all it's aiming mechanics reworked. AA is a lousy, bandaid solution. Whatever they changed from Chromosome to Uprising, it didn't work. 7 builds later, it's still borked. Granted, they've got the whole rest of the game to finish but that's a long time to ignore a fundamental problem. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole Durka durka.... Bitch.

Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 82	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:50:00 - [81] - Quote On the topic of natural KB/M advantages: Where's my usable text chat system? I don't use a mouse because couch potato, but I do use a keyboard for writing.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 165	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:25:00 - [82] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Eltra Ardell wrote: So much vomit being spewed out by the vocal DS3 minority. As predicted. They care only about themselves, the poor misguided fools... Pretentious much? It's not like you give two *** about anoyne other than yourself with this idiot thread of yours. You don't like using a controller, so you just *** and moan about it, and invent arbitrary reasons as to why things should be like you want them, and then falsely try to convey this image that you somehow care for "others" and not just you. Kinda funny to watch, but not really a good way to make a case. Also, in Dust we're hardly any kind of "minority". The KBM-users are... And yet again do the misguided act as I predicted. Will they ever learn? Will they ever embrace equality? Or will they continue their hate-filled posting and campaign for continued superiority? I think the answer is obvious, unfortunately. Lad, I advise thee to manually insert those pretentions of eloquence in the dark, dank and bat-infested cavity located on your rear quarters. Thine argument is in no way loaded through thine fopish attitude and linguistical choices. In spirit and in fact it presents you to the public as nothing short of a buffoon.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 2824	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:09:00 - [83] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: DS 3 just feels comfortable to me You're not supposed to feel comfortable. You're supposed to feel efficient. Is the game aiming for you? Yes, it is. You're not efficient. Wow, so how is this game different from every other console game which has aim assist? Maybe that these people who don't want to ADAPT are making *** threads saying it's controller users who are the problem. I don't need to adapt. The game did it for me. Thats the ***** problem. That, and the ridiculous amount of laziness persistent in the console playerbase.


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