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Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2570	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:11:00 - [1] - Quote I dont run in a heavy suit so IGÇÖm in no way defending my class but I don't get why so many people are getting butt hurt about them using light weapons! This is a game all about customisation, seeing as they only have 2 weapons it only seems fair that they can use what ever weapon they wish! If your getting killed by heavyGÇÖs using racial rifles then you need to think about how you approach them or reassess your gun game. I for one have never had a problem with taking down a heavy using a light weapon; just butter them up with a grenade and aim for their head. If I get killed by one thats fair game IMO; they got the drop on me and I deserved to be killed... Let the butt hurt commence! Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5599	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:13:00 - [2] - Quote I use a heavy with a scrambler rifle because I'm not counting on CCP to refund HMG skills when the heavy laser weapon gets released. Sorry if this has inflicted pain upon anyone. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
The Attorney General 1815	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:13:00 - [3] - Quote The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Onesimus Tarsus 875	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:13:00 - [4] - Quote If it fits, run its. (I needed the rhyme there) God loves you. And I'm sure He'll tell you so when I'm done with you.
TITANIC Xangore Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 426	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:16:00 - [5] - Quote My heavy counter sniper is such a sexy sexy fat suit.
HiddenBrother Days of Ruin 37	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:20:00 - [6] - Quote A heavy posing a threat to my medium dropsuit? NERF. Ruin.
PEW JACKSON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:23:00 - [7] - Quote Give the HMG a range buff. STD 45m optimal ADV 50m optimal PRO 55m optimal OFFICER 65m optimal I use HMG with my rail tank, and it absolutely chews those Logi slayers up. Problem I find is most of them can just back up out of my optimal range. Same problem with LR. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5601	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:25:00 - [8] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. Of course, any medium suit can walk circles around a slow fatty ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5775	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:26:00 - [9] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The Attorney General wrote: The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. Of course, any medium suit can walk circles around a slow fatty Until you realize they removed the heavy's turning speed limit... Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5775	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:26:00 - [10] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Give the HMG a range buff. STD 45m optimal ADV 50m optimal PRO 55m optimal OFFICER 65m optimal I use HMG with my rail tank, and it absolutely chews those Logi slayers up. Problem I find is most of them can just back up out of my optimal range. Same problem with LR. Aaaand AR is useless. You do know the optimal of the AR is 48 meters right? And that's prototype incase you're wondering. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos

Dheez STRONG-ARMED BANDITS Public Disorder. 32	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:27:00 - [11] - Quote Still wish I could tell which Heavy is a Male or a Female. Do I have to do the Southern handshake with them? and if it slaps me, then thats a Lady?
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 87	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:29:00 - [12] - Quote Goddamn Heavy posers. Little sissy babies using light weapons. Probably too scared to use an HMG, the loud noises probably hurt their sensitive baby ears. Either go Commando or pick up a damn Heavy weapon. Meanwhile I'm grinding up enough clones with my MH-82 to start my own burger joint. I WILL CONSUME YOU WITH A HAILSTORM OF LEAD AND RAGE! *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
The Attorney General 1818	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:29:00 - [13] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The Attorney General wrote: The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. Of course, any medium suit can walk circles around a slow fatty Like Cat merc said, they removed the turning limits. Even so, if you compare the turn speed while firing, the rifles leave the HMG in the dust. In PC, defending a flag, sure the HMG can shine. But in pubs, where you inevitably have to move and go flip some other flag that your blues have given up to the enemy, then having something that can kill beyond 40m is kind of critical. Not that I personally see the point of it. I feel that heavies with HMG's are just asking to get grenaded to death when they get rushed because retreat is not an option. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
PEW JACKSON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:32:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: Give the HMG a range buff. STD 45m optimal ADV 50m optimal PRO 55m optimal OFFICER 65m optimal I use HMG with my rail tank, and it absolutely chews those Logi slayers up. Problem I find is most of them can just back up out of my optimal range. Same problem with LR. Aaaand AR is useless. You do know the optimal of the AR is 48 meters right? And that's prototype incase you're wondering. That I didn't know. Then again I thought projectiles had better ranges compared to plasma.(Eve check me please) The AR does have a gradual falloff while the HMG is pretty steep. Wouldn't a fix for the AR be a higher ROF to offset the short range? Besides shorter range on a med frame isn't that bad seeing how they tend to have much higher mobility compared to a heavy. Heavies are using light weapons because they have range. Not asking for much, and a range buff could be a nice final tweak for the otherwise perfect HMG. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2248	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:33:00 - [15] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I use a heavy with a scrambler rifle because I'm not counting on CCP to refund HMG skills when the heavy laser weapon gets released. Sorry if this has inflicted pain upon anyone. It has reduction to heat damage if you overheat, your fking it right. Implications of heavy beam laser? Ps, leaving that wrong word mistake in there for lols Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Jane Madson Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 306	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:38:00 - [16] - Quote I run the hmg on my fatty, when i get on a map where range is a factor, i switch to a cal logi fit with rr. I find i'm more efective with a longer range weapon on a med. suit versus a heavy suit. When i need more range for my fatty, i run assault hmg with damage mods. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.(Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us)
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5605	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:40:00 - [17] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I use a heavy with a scrambler rifle because I'm not counting on CCP to refund HMG skills when the heavy laser weapon gets released. Sorry if this has inflicted pain upon anyone. It has reduction to heat damage if you overheat, your fking it right. Implications of heavy beam laser? Ps, leaving that wrong word mistake in there for lols Also the heavy laser weapon CCP is currently working on is pulse laser, not beam laser. Hopefully a heavy beam laser isn't too far off though, because that just sounds like pure awesome. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
TunRa NEW OMENS 387	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:44:00 - [18] - Quote It seems to me that everyone one is missing the point of Dust 514, this is not a traditional FPS it is DUST! You want to be a heavy sniper? DO IT! You want to be a medium with high HP? DO IT! You want to be a light suit with a bunch of damage mods and a assault rifle? DO IT! You want to be a medic class slayer? DO IT! That is what is good about dust, that you can do whatever you want with the suits and not be stuck in one role;e because "that is how is is suppose to be." Instead we get, x suit killed me with x weapon NERF IT! Or X guy is running X gun on X suit even tho he is X suit wtf!?!?!11 Thanks CCP Foxfour
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 348	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:49:00 - [19] - Quote The games about customizing 'At A Price' Heavys have to pay very little price to fit a light weapon, What it should be like is that heavys get a 50% reduction in fitting costs to heavy weapons, then nerf their grid, that way they can comfortably fit heavy weapons but have to down grade moduals to fit light weapons.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4099	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:52:00 - [20] - Quote I don't have a problem with real Heavies running light weapons on heavy suits; they've been abused enough. My problem is with people who need that 1000 HP to be relevant. Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D

Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 425	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:55:00 - [21] - Quote I'm sure heavies with ars are good for one on one or blob on blob fair fight engagements. But really if you are fighting fair you are doing it wrong. Heavies can't flank, scan, stay off radar or retreat from a losing fight. So the effectiveness is pretty meh. I could see it being a good noob fit to help remove ehp or dps advantage from better suis/chars
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3716	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:58:00 - [22] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Give the HMG a range buff. STD 45m optimal ADV 50m optimal PRO 55m optimal OFFICER 65m optimal I use HMG with my rail tank, and it absolutely chews those Logi slayers up. Problem I find is most of them can just back up out of my optimal range. Same problem with LR. Wouldn't 55m be a bit far? I mean, I won't dispute 65m on the Officer weapons, because it is an officer weapon. But 55m is way too far for a weapon designed to be CQC. Respecs need to happen in 1.8. End of discussion.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 77	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:01:00 - [23] - Quote Hey I have been killed by the boundless hmg at 50 meter ranges many times recently. Granted I was in a standard suit but I am not a complete total scrub and I was doing the right things like leading him out and engaging at range. I thought I was safe at 50m but it appears not!
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 782	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:01:00 - [24] - Quote I'm on both sides of the fence, really. On one hand, I have specced exactly zero SP into any other suit besides the heavy. Since I plan to stay a heavy forever, I don't see the need to spec other suits. So when I get bored of the HMG or forge, I slap on either a laser or scrambler rifle and do it for the lulz. On the other hand, I see people who run nothing but heavy suit and rail rifles, which really irks me. When the heavy laser comes out, you probably will never see a light weapon in my hand again, because I hate myself every time I run a light weapon but sometimes you just need a little bit of change. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1446	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:22:00 - [25] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: because I hate myself every time I run a light weapon but sometimes you just need a little bit of change. Same. I have a completely free SCR Templar fat suit, but that's the only time use a Light Weapon. Honestly, Heavies wanting to run with light weapons isn't worth complaining about. It's when I hear people say that because fatties can use light weapons it means CCP doesn't need to work on new Heavy Weapons that my blood starts to boil. On the other hand, if the game is ever in a state where people are ditching medium frames for heavy HP in droves to use their assault rifles, the game is in a horrible state of balance. Most light weapon users sticking to light/medium frames and most heavy frames sticking to heavy weapons = relative (or tolerable) balance. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Beamer 325 Hellstorm Incorporation 6	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:37:00 - [26] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I don't have a problem with real Heavies running light weapons on heavy suits; they've been abused enough. My problem is with people who need that 1000 HP to be relevant. This is sad! You of all people should know HP dont mean S**T. Two in the head and your dead.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4094	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:55:00 - [27] - Quote The only reason many haven't said much on it is because the heavy's lack of gear, once that is fixed you're going to see a lot more of these threads to remove the heavy's aability to use light weapons, will give the commando a larger presence as well. And to all yall saying that you should be able to because 'it's all about customization': I want a Matari scout with 700 sheilds, but I can't, you know why? Because the suit's not ment to have a large shield reserve by design, it's not made for it, just like assaults will have trouble fitting cloaks soon to come, and how heavy's lack the slot for it. This whole 'you can do what you want' bs CCP has put out is just that: bs. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 297	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:00:00 - [28] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: The games about customizing 'At A Price' Heavys have to pay very little price to fit a light weapon, What it should be like is that heavys get a 50% reduction in fitting costs to heavy weapons, then nerf their grid, that way they can comfortably fit heavy weapons but have to down grade moduals to fit light weapons. Don't pay any price ....? The hell ? You see that rail ? Heavies can't jump over it .... hell they can't jump over a flat piece of metal sitting on the ground . A heavy is always stuck taking a long route . A heavy ( minus Commandos at which point quit your bitching) absolutely cant refill his ammo. He needs to either find a rare supply depot and hope there is a friendly nano nearby . A heavy is SLOW ,blind , has a large hit box , and lights up the mini map like a Christmas tree if they even sneeze. For this we get a hp bonus that is only really useful when we have a logibro stuck to our butt , With all these disadvantages compared to a medium why shouldn't we be able to use what weapons we want ? It's not like it's OP. No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1181	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:06:00 - [29] - Quote light weapon heavys used to get under my skin but I spent a week running a skinweave with a republic HMG. Jesus(Hay - Zeus) I have never appreciated the speed and versatility of the scout suit more in my career. I understand why you all run about in your lavs with rail rifles, that suit is just painfully slow. your screwed if you can't reach out and touch someone. all transgressions forgiven heavys. keep your rails you need them. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1446	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:10:00 - [30] - Quote Beamer 325 wrote: Two in the head and your dead. Err, the game doesn't really work that way... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 354	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:19:00 - [31] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: The games about customizing 'At A Price' Heavys have to pay very little price to fit a light weapon, What it should be like is that heavys get a 50% reduction in fitting costs to heavy weapons, then nerf their grid, that way they can comfortably fit heavy weapons but have to down grade moduals to fit light weapons. Don't pay any price ....? The hell ? You see that rail ? Heavies can't jump over it .... hell they can't jump over a flat piece of metal sitting on the ground . A heavy is always stuck taking a long route . A heavy ( minus Commandos at which point quit your bitching) absolutely cant refill his ammo. He needs to either find a rare supply depot and hope there is a friendly nano nearby . A heavy is SLOW ,blind , has a large hit box , and lights up the mini map like a Christmas tree if they even sneeze. For this we get a hp bonus that is only really useful when we have a logibro stuck to our butt , With all these disadvantages compared to a medium why shouldn't we be able to use what weapons we want ? It's not like it's OP. I would actualy agree with you if I didn't see 90% of heavys cruising around in LAVs totaly ignoring the fact they are suposed to be slow, Heck most Heavys also have enough raw HP that they can gun down half a squad and then insta jump back into a LAV and drive away before dieing. Heavys have no real disadvantages these days besides no nano hive.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2896	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:51:00 - [32] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I use a heavy with a scrambler rifle because I'm not counting on CCP to refund HMG skills when the heavy laser weapon gets released. Sorry if this has inflicted pain upon anyone. I like to call that fit my disco ball. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2896	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:52:00 - [33] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: The only reason many haven't said much on it is because the heavy's lack of gear, once that is fixed you're going to see a lot more of these threads to remove the heavy's aability to use light weapons, will give the commando a larger presence as well. And to all yall saying that you should be able to because 'it's all about customization': I want a Matari scout with 700 sheilds, but I can't, you know why? Because the suit's not ment to have a large shield reserve by design, it's not made for it, just like assaults will have trouble fitting cloaks soon to come, and how heavy's lack the slot for it. This whole 'you can do what you want' bs CCP has put out is just that: bs. Analogy fail. No.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1843	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:56:00 - [34] - Quote If you're a heavy using a light weapon you probably need that high Hp to make up for your lack of gun game. Real heavies run HMG/Forge. This is coming from a ex heavy for months that only ran HMG/forge. Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1464	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:56:00 - [35] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Give the HMG a range buff. STD 45m optimal ADV 50m optimal PRO 55m optimal OFFICER 65m optimal I use HMG with my rail tank, and it absolutely chews those Logi slayers up. Problem I find is most of them can just back up out of my optimal range. Same problem with LR. Y'all heavies need to stop asking for buffs... you've gotten 2 buffs recently, and are getting a 3rd one in 1.8 You guys are fine. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Hot-Lips Houlihan 4077 MASH 1	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:59:00 - [36] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Hey I have been killed by the boundless hmg at 50 meter ranges many times recently. Granted I was in a standard suit but I am not a complete total scrub and I was doing the right things like leading him out and engaging at range. I thought I was safe at 50m but it appears not! Hey you try waddling across the street in a heavy suit. while taking fire from long range rifles. It sucks, your HMG is totally powerless. Who cares if a heavy slaps on a rifle. Some maps you just need it. Well there is always the other alternative, trolling around in an LAV & jumping out to mow people down. Which do you prefer?
Rusty Shallows 845	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:16:00 - [37] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: snip If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. Increased SP investment and a misleading name Heavy Machine Gun summarize my complaints. People grind towards a real-world expectation only to get a different weapon. CCP needs to change the name to Chain Guns with a new description to lessen the confusion or make them into actual HMGs. Either-or it doesn't matter which. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2252	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:35:00 - [38] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I don't have a problem with real Heavies running light weapons on heavy suits; they've been abused enough. My problem is with people who need that 1000 HP to be relevant. The amount of people who respawn in a mlt heavy with an RR is hilarious, pure butthurt, much confusion about taking death personally in a game based around it. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
ContraBanJoe FACTION WARFARE ARMY 327	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:46:00 - [39] - Quote OLYMPIC SLOPES
J0LLY R0G3R Tickle My Null-Sac 379	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:49:00 - [40] - Quote I don't mind heavies using rifles. But my scout wants to run with the hmg. XD XD Indeed, chase me friend XD

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1618	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:58:00 - [41] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: I dont run in a heavy suit so IGÇÖm in no way defending my class but I don't get why so many people are getting butt hurt about them using light weapons! This is a game all about customisation, seeing as they only have 2 weapons it only seems fair that they can use what ever weapon they wish! If your getting killed by heavyGÇÖs using racial rifles then you need to think about how you approach them or reassess your gun game. I for one have never had a problem with taking down a heavy using a light weapon; just butter them up with a grenade and aim for their head. If I get killed by one thats fair game IMO; they got the drop on me and I deserved to be killed... Let the butt hurt commence! There is nothign wrong with it, but the fact that so many heavies do it nowadays speaks volumes about heavy weaponry Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 2220	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:34:00 - [42] - Quote I specced into AR before 1.7 but now I run CR on my pilot and RR on my logistics. I could use CR on my Heavy but AR is consistent and I already have proficiency, so why not? Also, you're much more versatile with a rifle. The amount of Heavies I see die everyday using the HMG because they are out of range is hilarious. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 444	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:35:00 - [43] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. right weapons? I've had a heavy w/ rifle class since chromosome. nothing has change since then, only the way people look at the game. Thr33 is the magic number.
Yeeeuuuupppp KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 35	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:28:00 - [44] - Quote I feel like it's a crutch for heavies to have proto rail rifles and combat rifles. I get it off you're only specced in heavy frames but if you have skills in a medium frame and I see you in a heavy suit I'll make sure I overkill you. Like earlier today I was having a competition with someone and first he used a logi suit and then after I killed him a few times he raged and brought it his proto sentinel suit. Keep in mind I was using an advanced Amarr logistics with a BK-42 combat rifle. That's like telling me that you're a worst player. Carving Hearts in People's Backs, One Day At A Time ~ Nova Knives
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:42:00 - [45] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: The games about customizing 'At A Price' Heavys have to pay very little price to fit a light weapon, What it should be like is that heavys get a 50% reduction in fitting costs to heavy weapons, then nerf their grid, that way they can comfortably fit heavy weapons but have to down grade moduals to fit light weapons. why? I am the real Darken
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:47:00 - [46] - Quote ugg reset wrote: The Attorney General wrote: The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. right weapons? I've had a heavy w/ rifle class since chromosome. nothing has change since then, only the way people look at the game. I ran a forge since chrome. The hmg was not my deal but my best suit was heavy type II. I prefered a gek and had one with my sver logi. When I ran heavy AR it was a different play style altogether. Suddenly I wanted my enemy to know where I was. I used the damage readout as a target locator. Back then the AR with sharpshooter was a beast. It wasn't til 1.5 that I started collecting assault suits. I still bust out the heavyAR combo sometimes. I got BPO mods and dren gear. It makes for a bad ass free suit. I am the real Darken
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2182	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:53:00 - [47] - Quote If a Heavy can't use a Light weapon, then all of the Lights and Mediums shouldn't be able to use a Sidearm as their primary. Natalie Portman.
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 30	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:09:00 - [48] - Quote Im a heavy/commando, i see it this way HMG dominates in CQC, problem is outside of that it gets beat by everything else. Thus in more open maps i just run my commando and i dominate those hybrid heavies with my shotgun because I'm faster and have bonuses to light weapons unlike them. HMG is anything but weaker then Light weapons. It just doesnt have the range of light weapons, because it was built for CQC. just give heavies a medium-long range Heavy weapon thats built for killing infantry and hybrid heavies will lose popularity. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1286	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:26:00 - [49] - Quote The only time this bothers me is when i'm running my STD 450HP AA suit. It sucks knowing that I could easily destroy a player but the fact that a heavy at range has such a high TTK, it breaks the flow of the game. A lot of the time, I have to stop firing completely to let my gun cool down because the dude has so much HP. It's not fun to fight these guys. But as long as i'm using my Viziam, it doesn't really matter. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
TunRa NEW OMENS 392	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:31:00 - [50] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: The only time this bothers me is when i'm running my STD 450HP AA suit. It sucks knowing that I could easily destroy a player but the fact that a heavy at range has such a high TTK, it breaks the flow of the game. A lot of the time, I have to stop firing completely to let my gun cool down because the dude has so much HP. It's not fun to fight these guys. But as long as i'm using my Viziam, it doesn't really matter. Oh by all means let's nerf something because it is "not fun to fight them." Thanks CCP Foxfour

Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 16	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:33:00 - [51] - Quote The only real reason I run a heavy with a light weapon is because it is taking ages, and I do mean ages, to get the option to use a heavy weapon. (Had to make a detour to work on my swarm launcher.)
TunRa NEW OMENS 392	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:39:00 - [52] - Quote Why are we even stil talking about this? This trailer is all we need to know what CCP wants from Dust. Why would we start making this game so 2D when all we want is 4D game from a 3D game? Thanks CCP Foxfour
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2592	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:51:00 - [53] - Quote TunRa wrote: Why are we even stil talking about this? This trailer is all we need to know what CCP wants from Dust. Why would we start making this game so 2D when all we want is 4D game from a 3D game? I really don't like that guys accent for that trailer though! Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 159	Posted - 2014.01.21 03:05:00 - [54] - Quote Idgaf what anyone says anyone using a heavy with a light weapon is a talent-less player who NEEDS it to be any good. There is no excuse now hmg are good. Now if I get killed by a commando and he has a light weapon, that's what the suit is designed for and I don't have a problem with that. And also he/she has actually put the hard time and labor to get that sp to attain a commando The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2905	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:34:00 - [55] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: If you're a heavy using a light weapon you probably need that high Hp to make up for your lack of gun game. Real heavies run HMG/Forge. This is coming from a ex heavy for months that only ran HMG/forge. Lol, I'm sure it has nothing to do with wanting a little diversity. No.
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2593	Posted - 2014.01.21 14:45:00 - [56] - Quote Love reading all the posts who instead need to step up their game would rather QQ about GÇ£OP HeavyGÇÖsGÇ¥ LOLz! Keep the butt hurt coming people o7 Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 937	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:01:00 - [57] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. More like "If there was as much variation for heavies weapons as there is for the rifles, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons." Currently heavies are stuck with 1 Anti-Infantry weapon and 1 Anti-Vehicle weapon. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:03:00 - [58] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Idgaf what anyone says anyone using a heavy with a light weapon is a talent-less player who NEEDS it to be any good. There is no excuse now hmg are good. Now if I get killed by a commando and he has a light weapon, that's what the suit is designed for and I don't have a problem with that. And also he/she has actually put the hard time and labor to get that sp to attain a commando I am sure they do not care what you say either. It takes the same SP to skill into commando as it does sentinel so how is your last sentence relevant? Thank you for sharing your opinion. I am the real Darken
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1657	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:05:00 - [59] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: I dont run in a heavy suit so IGÇÖm in no way defending my class but I don't get why so many people are getting butt hurt about them using light weapons! This is a game all about customisation, seeing as they only have 2 weapons it only seems fair that they can use what ever weapon they wish! If your getting killed by heavyGÇÖs using racial rifles then you need to think about how you approach them or reassess your gun game. I for one have never had a problem with taking down a heavy using a light weapon; just butter them up with a grenade and aim for their head. If I get killed by one thats fair game IMO; they got the drop on me and I deserved to be killed... Let the butt hurt commence! same reason people get butt hurt about logi's being slayers. people have gotten it stuck into their heads that because the suits have a class name they can't operate in other ways.
Sgt Buttscratch 1356	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:24:00 - [60] - Quote So basically people don't choose a heavy/sentinel role for what it is, they choose it for crutch HP amounts... what I got from this thread. Struggling game, based up strategic warfare, roles, building the right fighting force and what-not all undone, by the actual game. choose suit, get AR, then call people butt hurt who think that the game is far from diverse and roles, strategy and anything else that might use one braincell is just not here. The game game is nothing but a poor excuse for a 2008(at best) shooter. The things that could seperate the game from others are just not here. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans

Jack Boost Zarena Family 305	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:40:00 - [61] - Quote Heavies... If you dont like them, come and join them :) You will see 'bright' reality of dropsuit of hundres of posibilites. You get in order: Lowest CPU and PG Lowest amount od slots. Lowest speed Great recharges ... lol and you will shine as star (among this you will be blind from it) You will be thisty for anyting... All just for some more HP for more pain. But remeber - your mind and soul will be forged in hell flames and you will become hard as rock. For 1.8... among few things that heavies can't do... at last I get some bonuses to use... hmm what I will do with them? P.S. Heavies can use ... any weapon and they can use them good.
Big Popa Smurff The Rainbow Effect 924	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:57:00 - [62] - Quote I only use the sniper rifle on my heavy suit just to take out other snipers. I can get hit 2-3 times before going back to cover, by then il of figured out where the shots came from. But mostly I use the HMG with a speed fit heavy. (very fun) Original AFK Hunter
Incin3rate Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:15:00 - [63] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: I don't mind heavies using rifles. But my scout wants to run with the hmg. XD Dear God, the horror.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 197	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:24:00 - [64] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Cat Merc wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: Give the HMG a range buff. STD 45m optimal ADV 50m optimal PRO 55m optimal OFFICER 65m optimal I use HMG with my rail tank, and it absolutely chews those Logi slayers up. Problem I find is most of them can just back up out of my optimal range. Same problem with LR. Aaaand AR is useless. You do know the optimal of the AR is 48 meters right? And that's prototype incase you're wondering. That I didn't know. Then again I thought projectiles had better ranges compared to plasma.(Eve check me please) The AR does have a gradual falloff while the HMG is pretty steep. Wouldn't a fix for the AR be a higher ROF to offset the short range? Besides shorter range on a med frame isn't that bad seeing how they tend to have much higher mobility compared to a heavy. Heavies are using light weapons because they have range. Not asking for much, and a range buff could be a nice final tweak for the otherwise perfect HMG. You can debate the AR ROF buff or range buff, either way, the CR steps on its toes in both regards, the AR if optimal is buffed (should be around 65) should also get a dmg buff not ROF.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1929	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:26:00 - [65] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: I dont run in a heavy suit so IGÇÖm in no way defending my class but I don't get why so many people are getting butt hurt about them using light weapons! This is a game all about customisation, seeing as they only have 2 weapons it only seems fair that they can use what ever weapon they wish! If your getting killed by heavyGÇÖs using racial rifles then you need to think about how you approach them or reassess your gun game. I for one have never had a problem with taking down a heavy using a light weapon; just butter them up with a grenade and aim for their head. If I get killed by one thats fair game IMO; they got the drop on me and I deserved to be killed... Let the butt hurt commence! OP: LT Royal wrote: This is a game all about customisation, If this game was all about customization then I would be able to run a HMG in my Assault suit. Next Time in General: Will Test ever be relevant in Dust 514? Will Lt Royal ever back his forum talk with Gun game? Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 593	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:30:00 - [66] - Quote the only thing i dislike is the rail and combat rifle being op to the heavy suit. and thats what most of these ppl in the fat suits run. scrambler rifle is still bad too. but the rr and cr is a bigger issue.
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:36:00 - [67] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: the only thing i dislike is the rail and combat rifle being op to the heavy suit. and thats what most of these ppl in the fat suits run. scrambler rifle is still bad too. but the rr and cr is a bigger issue. Why? I am the real Darken
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2594	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:40:00 - [68] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Next Time in General: Will Test ever be relevant in Dust 514? Will Lt Royal ever back his forum talk with Gun game? Oh I think I pulled someone's wrong strings..... So much butt hurt to say I have no gun game and bashing my alliance LOL keep it coming o7 Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:44:00 - [69] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So basically people don't choose a heavy/sentinel role for what it is, they choose it for crutch HP amounts... what I got from this thread. Struggling game, based up strategic warfare, roles, building the right fighting force and what-not all undone, by the actual game. choose suit, get AR, then call people butt hurt who think that the game is far from diverse and roles, strategy and anything else that might use one braincell is just not here. The game game is nothing but a poor excuse for a 2008(at best) shooter. The things that could seperate the game from others are just not here. All this because heavies use something other than heavy weapons? Why shouldn't they use Nova Knives if they can make that work for them? If it is such am advantage to be a heavy, do it. I personally find it to be a hindrance more than an asset most of the time, I would love to run a Scout Forge Gun.
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 161	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:52:00 - [70] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: axis alpha wrote: Idgaf what anyone says anyone using a heavy with a light weapon is a talent-less player who NEEDS it to be any good. There is no excuse now hmg are good. Now if I get killed by a commando and he has a light weapon, that's what the suit is designed for and I don't have a problem with that. And also he/she has actually put the hard time and labor to get that sp to attain a commando I am sure they do not care what you say either. It takes the same SP to skill into commando as it does sentinel so how is your last sentence relevant? Thank you for sharing your opinion. Because commandos can only carry light weapons. And as far as sp I'm talking about players who use heavy bpo or militia heavy who DONT put any sp into anything The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!

Vag Eye Lenol Planetary Asset Protection Services 14	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:52:00 - [71] - Quote I like the squishy heavies personally.
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2594	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:58:00 - [72] - Quote Many of you who don't seem to be getting your head around that HeavyGÇÖs can fit light or more sidearm weapons in their heavy slot proberly hasn't played EVE Online and hasn't fully grasped what CCP is trying to do. In EVE for instance you can fit small, medium or large turrets onto a battleship, but you can not however fit a medium or large turret onto a frigate (small turret ship). Fitting smaller guns onto a bigger ship lets you be able to track and hit smaller targets that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do having fitted larger turrets. Basically the bigger you go the more stiff of any size you can fit onto said ship/suit. It wouldn't make any sense for a scout to run around with a HMG. Yes this game is all about customisation but it also has limits to that customisation to give balance and follow the same basic rules New Eden upholds today. If you think about it Heavys using light or more sidearms are already borked considering they; don't have an equipment slot/s, their Scan Profile is way way high to not be under scanning detection, they can't run, they can't jump. Anyway Im sure that once 1.8 rolls in a lot of you haters won't have a problem with them fitting light weapons because of the RoF buff Assault players are getting. Well I guess if you still can't get your head around any of the reasons I stated, I guess all you can do is keep on QQing on the forums about, I'm sorry to say. Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 498	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:03:00 - [73] - Quote In less than a year we have added multiple light weapons(ie RR CR) and soon we will get 3 new sidearms but ask yourself if you are a heavy on an open map what in the nine hells are you supposed to use? AHMG? An extra few meters is not gonna cut it out there. FG? While it is quite amusing picking people off with a BFG it's about as effective as a redline sniper(not very). We have had TWO and ONLY TWO heavy weapons since dust began... So please if you see a non militia heavy out there on open maps, realize that it is the UTTER LACK OF HEAVY WEAPONS that is causing that poor fattie to resort to using a light weapon. What could and WOULD solve this issue is a heavy laser. A heavy laser would finally give a heavy the ability to reach out and combat people at range. Over 5 new weapons either introduced or soon to be introduced yet the heavy laser doesn't even have a name and my only question is WHY??! Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:23:00 - [74] - Quote After reading through this thread and actively replying I have come to the conclusion that people just don't like dying. My advice is get used to people having more than 300-400 hp. Those blueberries you have been stomping are getting bigger, they are figuring out ranges, and are diversifying their fits. Use your brain. newb gets out of the acanemy-> gets owned by tanks-> Gets fat suit and forge-> gets owned by RR-> tries MLT AR because all SP was put into AV-> does better at infantry vs infantry-> you cry->I laugh. Its better for everyone... well except for the crybabies ATM. In the long run they too will presumably adapt if they are capable of learning. I am the real Darken
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:31:00 - [75] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: axis alpha wrote: Idgaf what anyone says anyone using a heavy with a light weapon is a talent-less player who NEEDS it to be any good. There is no excuse now hmg are good. Now if I get killed by a commando and he has a light weapon, that's what the suit is designed for and I don't have a problem with that. And also he/she has actually put the hard time and labor to get that sp to attain a commando I am sure they do not care what you say either. It takes the same SP to skill into commando as it does sentinel so how is your last sentence relevant? Thank you for sharing your opinion. Because commandos can only carry light weapons. And as far as sp I'm talking about players who use heavy bpo or militia heavy who DONT put any sp into anything Why do you care how someone else fits out their suit? I feel strongly it is because your playstyle of picking off defenseless heavies from range is compromised. you need to adapt to the field and stop relying on your crutch. I am the real Darken
Sgt Buttscratch 1358	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:39:00 - [76] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So basically people don't choose a heavy/sentinel role for what it is, they choose it for crutch HP amounts... what I got from this thread. Struggling game, based up strategic warfare, roles, building the right fighting force and what-not all undone, by the actual game. choose suit, get AR, then call people butt hurt who think that the game is far from diverse and roles, strategy and anything else that might use one braincell is just not here. The game game is nothing but a poor excuse for a 2008(at best) shooter. The things that could seperate the game from others are just not here. All this because heavies use something other than heavy weapons? Why shouldn't they use Nova Knives if they can make that work for them? If it is such am advantage to be a heavy, do it. I personally find it to be a hindrance more than an asset most of the time, I would love to run a Scout Forge Gun. I got like 2 paragraphs into my brains rant/bs then though **** it, CCP aint gunna change it, they probably don't know how. Wholegame is created and tested in a non competitive way, then thrown into competitive play, in which CCP don't play. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 451	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:37:00 - [77] - Quote I'm sure people whining about "no gun game scrubs" spam their active scanner like it's spitting out money. Here you can type your bio.
Audacious Mandate Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 8	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:50:00 - [78] - Quote I love my HMG but I actually skilled into Commando just so I could run weapons with a more viable range outside structures. I won't look down on anyone for running a light weapon on a Sentinel, but it does disgust me.... The disgusting thing about it is that we HAVE to run light weapons to have a chance in the open areas that form the majority of the maps. I'm not fat, I'm just big boned!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5752	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:56:00 - [79] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: LT Royal wrote: This is a game all about customisation, If this game was all about customization then I would be able to run a HMG in my Assault suit. Next Time in General: Will Test ever be relevant in Dust 514? Will Lt Royal ever back his forum talk with Gun game? Classic Regnyum using ego to prove his point Your argument is foolish. That's like saying Dust 514 isn't all about customization because I can't fit large turrets on an LAV. There are some parameters, but it is still all about customization. And for the record, being a try hard with some of the most SP and succeeding in space realtoring does not make you the all-knowing god of Dust 514. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Rusty Shallows 851	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:20:00 - [80] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: axis alpha wrote: Idgaf what anyone says anyone using a heavy with a light weapon is a talent-less player who NEEDS it to be any good. There is no excuse now hmg are good. Now if I get killed by a commando and he has a light weapon, that's what the suit is designed for and I don't have a problem with that. And also he/she has actually put the hard time and labor to get that sp to attain a commando I am sure they do not care what you say either. It takes the same SP to skill into commando as it does sentinel so how is your last sentence relevant? Thank you for sharing your opinion. Because commandos can only carry light weapons. And as far as sp I'm talking about players who use heavy bpo or militia heavy who DONT put any sp into anything *raises his hand* Guilty as charged. I have ZERO SP invested in Dropsuit Command. Around Fanfest last year it became painfully obvious the Devs were going to continue treating Heavies (and Scouts for that matter) like s##t for the foreseeable future. Knowing someday things would improve I chose to take the best game-play option possible as well as fiscal investing with a Dren pack. Between Fanfest 2013 and 1.7 the decision proved correct. In my defense I did throw allot of SP into HMGs knowing they were glitchy and failing to reach the theoretical DPS. So while not the "Light Weapon BPO Heavy Scrub," I'm just a casual scrub. Although using the Dren AR would have been more effective. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1628	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:25:00 - [81] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Next Time in General: Will Test ever be relevant in Dust 514? Will Lt Royal ever back his forum talk with Gun game? Oh I think I pulled someone's wrong strings..... So much butt hurt to say I have no gun game and bashing my alliance LOL keep it coming o7 You can't say that this ReGnYum don't you know he's god's gift to bulls- . . . . Dust. If he isn't happy then it must mdan that its a skilless tactic because no-one can beat him ever. I mean didn't you get the memo The ReGnYuM Convention outlaws all skillless and scrubby tactics. Sniper Rifles - Banned - Its skillless to match up a headshot from 300m away with a charge sniper rifle, because your enemy can't return fire or texan 2 strafe through your bullets. Shotguns - Banned - Because its Scrubby to sneak up on someone with a high alpha low dps weapon. Mass Drivers - Banned - Nothing is more skilless than using a low dps, low ROF, AOE weapon with ballistics calculations and travel time, because it requires no aiming. Grenades - Banned - Because AOE anything is skilless and scrubby Forge Guns - Banned - Because of AOE , plus any weapon that deals more damage in a single shot that takes time to charge, than any other weapon is skilless Plasma Cannons - Banned - Same as above Remote Explosives - Banned - Luring someone into a trap is skilless. So in short you can choose from the rifles, a pistol, an SMG and the HMG (but if you use a HMG you can't use any health related mods, because that's skilless). Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
XxDuneRayxX Legacy Rising 25	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:29:00 - [82] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: I dont run in a heavy suit so IGÇÖm in no way defending my class but I don't get why so many people are getting butt hurt about them using light weapons! This is a game all about customisation, seeing as they only have 2 weapons it only seems fair that they can use what ever weapon they wish! If your getting killed by heavyGÇÖs using racial rifles then you need to think about how you approach them or reassess your gun game. I for one have never had a problem with taking down a heavy using a light weapon; just butter them up with a grenade and aim for their head. If I get killed by one thats fair game IMO; they got the drop on me and I deserved to be killed... Let the butt hurt commence! This is a good man
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 92	Posted - 2014.01.22 01:51:00 - [83] - Quote I find it to be a major annoyance, especially while in buildings, to run into a fatsuit with a RR. I can kill a lot of them except the really bricked ones that use light weapons because most have very little skill with them which leads me to believe that's why they're running that heavy suit in the first place. Guess I'll have to start using Core grenades more often. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San


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