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Jack Boost Zarena Family 305	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:40:00 - [61] - Quote Heavies... If you dont like them, come and join them :) You will see 'bright' reality of dropsuit of hundres of posibilites. You get in order: Lowest CPU and PG Lowest amount od slots. Lowest speed Great recharges ... lol and you will shine as star (among this you will be blind from it) You will be thisty for anyting... All just for some more HP for more pain. But remeber - your mind and soul will be forged in hell flames and you will become hard as rock. For 1.8... among few things that heavies can't do... at last I get some bonuses to use... hmm what I will do with them? P.S. Heavies can use ... any weapon and they can use them good.
Big Popa Smurff The Rainbow Effect 924	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:57:00 - [62] - Quote I only use the sniper rifle on my heavy suit just to take out other snipers. I can get hit 2-3 times before going back to cover, by then il of figured out where the shots came from. But mostly I use the HMG with a speed fit heavy. (very fun) Original AFK Hunter
Incin3rate Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:15:00 - [63] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: I don't mind heavies using rifles. But my scout wants to run with the hmg. XD Dear God, the horror.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 197	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:24:00 - [64] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Cat Merc wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: Give the HMG a range buff. STD 45m optimal ADV 50m optimal PRO 55m optimal OFFICER 65m optimal I use HMG with my rail tank, and it absolutely chews those Logi slayers up. Problem I find is most of them can just back up out of my optimal range. Same problem with LR. Aaaand AR is useless. You do know the optimal of the AR is 48 meters right? And that's prototype incase you're wondering. That I didn't know. Then again I thought projectiles had better ranges compared to plasma.(Eve check me please) The AR does have a gradual falloff while the HMG is pretty steep. Wouldn't a fix for the AR be a higher ROF to offset the short range? Besides shorter range on a med frame isn't that bad seeing how they tend to have much higher mobility compared to a heavy. Heavies are using light weapons because they have range. Not asking for much, and a range buff could be a nice final tweak for the otherwise perfect HMG. You can debate the AR ROF buff or range buff, either way, the CR steps on its toes in both regards, the AR if optimal is buffed (should be around 65) should also get a dmg buff not ROF.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1929	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:26:00 - [65] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: I dont run in a heavy suit so IGÇÖm in no way defending my class but I don't get why so many people are getting butt hurt about them using light weapons! This is a game all about customisation, seeing as they only have 2 weapons it only seems fair that they can use what ever weapon they wish! If your getting killed by heavyGÇÖs using racial rifles then you need to think about how you approach them or reassess your gun game. I for one have never had a problem with taking down a heavy using a light weapon; just butter them up with a grenade and aim for their head. If I get killed by one thats fair game IMO; they got the drop on me and I deserved to be killed... Let the butt hurt commence! OP: LT Royal wrote: This is a game all about customisation, If this game was all about customization then I would be able to run a HMG in my Assault suit. Next Time in General: Will Test ever be relevant in Dust 514? Will Lt Royal ever back his forum talk with Gun game? Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress Do you even PC... Brah
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 593	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:30:00 - [66] - Quote the only thing i dislike is the rail and combat rifle being op to the heavy suit. and thats what most of these ppl in the fat suits run. scrambler rifle is still bad too. but the rr and cr is a bigger issue.
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:36:00 - [67] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: the only thing i dislike is the rail and combat rifle being op to the heavy suit. and thats what most of these ppl in the fat suits run. scrambler rifle is still bad too. but the rr and cr is a bigger issue. Why? I am the real Darken
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2594	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:40:00 - [68] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Next Time in General: Will Test ever be relevant in Dust 514? Will Lt Royal ever back his forum talk with Gun game? Oh I think I pulled someone's wrong strings..... So much butt hurt to say I have no gun game and bashing my alliance LOL keep it coming o7 Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:44:00 - [69] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So basically people don't choose a heavy/sentinel role for what it is, they choose it for crutch HP amounts... what I got from this thread. Struggling game, based up strategic warfare, roles, building the right fighting force and what-not all undone, by the actual game. choose suit, get AR, then call people butt hurt who think that the game is far from diverse and roles, strategy and anything else that might use one braincell is just not here. The game game is nothing but a poor excuse for a 2008(at best) shooter. The things that could seperate the game from others are just not here. All this because heavies use something other than heavy weapons? Why shouldn't they use Nova Knives if they can make that work for them? If it is such am advantage to be a heavy, do it. I personally find it to be a hindrance more than an asset most of the time, I would love to run a Scout Forge Gun.
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 161	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:52:00 - [70] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: axis alpha wrote: Idgaf what anyone says anyone using a heavy with a light weapon is a talent-less player who NEEDS it to be any good. There is no excuse now hmg are good. Now if I get killed by a commando and he has a light weapon, that's what the suit is designed for and I don't have a problem with that. And also he/she has actually put the hard time and labor to get that sp to attain a commando I am sure they do not care what you say either. It takes the same SP to skill into commando as it does sentinel so how is your last sentence relevant? Thank you for sharing your opinion. Because commandos can only carry light weapons. And as far as sp I'm talking about players who use heavy bpo or militia heavy who DONT put any sp into anything The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!

Vag Eye Lenol Planetary Asset Protection Services 14	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:52:00 - [71] - Quote I like the squishy heavies personally.
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2594	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:58:00 - [72] - Quote Many of you who don't seem to be getting your head around that HeavyGÇÖs can fit light or more sidearm weapons in their heavy slot proberly hasn't played EVE Online and hasn't fully grasped what CCP is trying to do. In EVE for instance you can fit small, medium or large turrets onto a battleship, but you can not however fit a medium or large turret onto a frigate (small turret ship). Fitting smaller guns onto a bigger ship lets you be able to track and hit smaller targets that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do having fitted larger turrets. Basically the bigger you go the more stiff of any size you can fit onto said ship/suit. It wouldn't make any sense for a scout to run around with a HMG. Yes this game is all about customisation but it also has limits to that customisation to give balance and follow the same basic rules New Eden upholds today. If you think about it Heavys using light or more sidearms are already borked considering they; don't have an equipment slot/s, their Scan Profile is way way high to not be under scanning detection, they can't run, they can't jump. Anyway Im sure that once 1.8 rolls in a lot of you haters won't have a problem with them fitting light weapons because of the RoF buff Assault players are getting. Well I guess if you still can't get your head around any of the reasons I stated, I guess all you can do is keep on QQing on the forums about, I'm sorry to say. Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 498	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:03:00 - [73] - Quote In less than a year we have added multiple light weapons(ie RR CR) and soon we will get 3 new sidearms but ask yourself if you are a heavy on an open map what in the nine hells are you supposed to use? AHMG? An extra few meters is not gonna cut it out there. FG? While it is quite amusing picking people off with a BFG it's about as effective as a redline sniper(not very). We have had TWO and ONLY TWO heavy weapons since dust began... So please if you see a non militia heavy out there on open maps, realize that it is the UTTER LACK OF HEAVY WEAPONS that is causing that poor fattie to resort to using a light weapon. What could and WOULD solve this issue is a heavy laser. A heavy laser would finally give a heavy the ability to reach out and combat people at range. Over 5 new weapons either introduced or soon to be introduced yet the heavy laser doesn't even have a name and my only question is WHY??! Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:23:00 - [74] - Quote After reading through this thread and actively replying I have come to the conclusion that people just don't like dying. My advice is get used to people having more than 300-400 hp. Those blueberries you have been stomping are getting bigger, they are figuring out ranges, and are diversifying their fits. Use your brain. newb gets out of the acanemy-> gets owned by tanks-> Gets fat suit and forge-> gets owned by RR-> tries MLT AR because all SP was put into AV-> does better at infantry vs infantry-> you cry->I laugh. Its better for everyone... well except for the crybabies ATM. In the long run they too will presumably adapt if they are capable of learning. I am the real Darken
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:31:00 - [75] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: axis alpha wrote: Idgaf what anyone says anyone using a heavy with a light weapon is a talent-less player who NEEDS it to be any good. There is no excuse now hmg are good. Now if I get killed by a commando and he has a light weapon, that's what the suit is designed for and I don't have a problem with that. And also he/she has actually put the hard time and labor to get that sp to attain a commando I am sure they do not care what you say either. It takes the same SP to skill into commando as it does sentinel so how is your last sentence relevant? Thank you for sharing your opinion. Because commandos can only carry light weapons. And as far as sp I'm talking about players who use heavy bpo or militia heavy who DONT put any sp into anything Why do you care how someone else fits out their suit? I feel strongly it is because your playstyle of picking off defenseless heavies from range is compromised. you need to adapt to the field and stop relying on your crutch. I am the real Darken
Sgt Buttscratch 1358	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:39:00 - [76] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: So basically people don't choose a heavy/sentinel role for what it is, they choose it for crutch HP amounts... what I got from this thread. Struggling game, based up strategic warfare, roles, building the right fighting force and what-not all undone, by the actual game. choose suit, get AR, then call people butt hurt who think that the game is far from diverse and roles, strategy and anything else that might use one braincell is just not here. The game game is nothing but a poor excuse for a 2008(at best) shooter. The things that could seperate the game from others are just not here. All this because heavies use something other than heavy weapons? Why shouldn't they use Nova Knives if they can make that work for them? If it is such am advantage to be a heavy, do it. I personally find it to be a hindrance more than an asset most of the time, I would love to run a Scout Forge Gun. I got like 2 paragraphs into my brains rant/bs then though **** it, CCP aint gunna change it, they probably don't know how. Wholegame is created and tested in a non competitive way, then thrown into competitive play, in which CCP don't play. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 451	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:37:00 - [77] - Quote I'm sure people whining about "no gun game scrubs" spam their active scanner like it's spitting out money. Here you can type your bio.
Audacious Mandate Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 8	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:50:00 - [78] - Quote I love my HMG but I actually skilled into Commando just so I could run weapons with a more viable range outside structures. I won't look down on anyone for running a light weapon on a Sentinel, but it does disgust me.... The disgusting thing about it is that we HAVE to run light weapons to have a chance in the open areas that form the majority of the maps. I'm not fat, I'm just big boned!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5752	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:56:00 - [79] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: LT Royal wrote: This is a game all about customisation, If this game was all about customization then I would be able to run a HMG in my Assault suit. Next Time in General: Will Test ever be relevant in Dust 514? Will Lt Royal ever back his forum talk with Gun game? Classic Regnyum using ego to prove his point Your argument is foolish. That's like saying Dust 514 isn't all about customization because I can't fit large turrets on an LAV. There are some parameters, but it is still all about customization. And for the record, being a try hard with some of the most SP and succeeding in space realtoring does not make you the all-knowing god of Dust 514. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Rusty Shallows 851	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:20:00 - [80] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: axis alpha wrote: Idgaf what anyone says anyone using a heavy with a light weapon is a talent-less player who NEEDS it to be any good. There is no excuse now hmg are good. Now if I get killed by a commando and he has a light weapon, that's what the suit is designed for and I don't have a problem with that. And also he/she has actually put the hard time and labor to get that sp to attain a commando I am sure they do not care what you say either. It takes the same SP to skill into commando as it does sentinel so how is your last sentence relevant? Thank you for sharing your opinion. Because commandos can only carry light weapons. And as far as sp I'm talking about players who use heavy bpo or militia heavy who DONT put any sp into anything *raises his hand* Guilty as charged. I have ZERO SP invested in Dropsuit Command. Around Fanfest last year it became painfully obvious the Devs were going to continue treating Heavies (and Scouts for that matter) like s##t for the foreseeable future. Knowing someday things would improve I chose to take the best game-play option possible as well as fiscal investing with a Dren pack. Between Fanfest 2013 and 1.7 the decision proved correct. In my defense I did throw allot of SP into HMGs knowing they were glitchy and failing to reach the theoretical DPS. So while not the "Light Weapon BPO Heavy Scrub," I'm just a casual scrub. Although using the Dren AR would have been more effective. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1628	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:25:00 - [81] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Next Time in General: Will Test ever be relevant in Dust 514? Will Lt Royal ever back his forum talk with Gun game? Oh I think I pulled someone's wrong strings..... So much butt hurt to say I have no gun game and bashing my alliance LOL keep it coming o7 You can't say that this ReGnYum don't you know he's god's gift to bulls- . . . . Dust. If he isn't happy then it must mdan that its a skilless tactic because no-one can beat him ever. I mean didn't you get the memo The ReGnYuM Convention outlaws all skillless and scrubby tactics. Sniper Rifles - Banned - Its skillless to match up a headshot from 300m away with a charge sniper rifle, because your enemy can't return fire or texan 2 strafe through your bullets. Shotguns - Banned - Because its Scrubby to sneak up on someone with a high alpha low dps weapon. Mass Drivers - Banned - Nothing is more skilless than using a low dps, low ROF, AOE weapon with ballistics calculations and travel time, because it requires no aiming. Grenades - Banned - Because AOE anything is skilless and scrubby Forge Guns - Banned - Because of AOE , plus any weapon that deals more damage in a single shot that takes time to charge, than any other weapon is skilless Plasma Cannons - Banned - Same as above Remote Explosives - Banned - Luring someone into a trap is skilless. So in short you can choose from the rifles, a pistol, an SMG and the HMG (but if you use a HMG you can't use any health related mods, because that's skilless). Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
XxDuneRayxX Legacy Rising 25	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:29:00 - [82] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: I dont run in a heavy suit so IGÇÖm in no way defending my class but I don't get why so many people are getting butt hurt about them using light weapons! This is a game all about customisation, seeing as they only have 2 weapons it only seems fair that they can use what ever weapon they wish! If your getting killed by heavyGÇÖs using racial rifles then you need to think about how you approach them or reassess your gun game. I for one have never had a problem with taking down a heavy using a light weapon; just butter them up with a grenade and aim for their head. If I get killed by one thats fair game IMO; they got the drop on me and I deserved to be killed... Let the butt hurt commence! This is a good man
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 92	Posted - 2014.01.22 01:51:00 - [83] - Quote I find it to be a major annoyance, especially while in buildings, to run into a fatsuit with a RR. I can kill a lot of them except the really bricked ones that use light weapons because most have very little skill with them which leads me to believe that's why they're running that heavy suit in the first place. Guess I'll have to start using Core grenades more often. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San


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