DUST Search - Butt Hurt - Heavies Using Light Weapons.

Gelan Corbaine wrote:

Beck Weathers wrote:

The games about customizing 'At A Price' Heavys have to pay very little price to fit a light weapon, What it should be like is that heavys get a 50% reduction in fitting costs to heavy weapons, then nerf their grid, that way they can comfortably fit heavy weapons but have to down grade moduals to fit light weapons.

Don't pay any price ....? The hell ? You see that rail ? Heavies can't jump over it .... hell they can't jump over a flat piece of metal sitting on the ground . A heavy is always stuck taking a long route . A heavy ( minus Commandos at which point quit your bitching) absolutely cant refill his ammo. He needs to either find a rare supply depot and hope there is a friendly nano nearby .

A heavy is SLOW ,blind , has a large hit box , and lights up the mini map like a Christmas tree if they even sneeze.

For this we get a hp bonus that is only really useful when we have a logibro stuck to our butt ,

With all these disadvantages compared to a medium why shouldn't we be able to use what weapons we want ? It's not like it's OP.

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Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 354	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:19:00 - [31] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: The games about customizing 'At A Price' Heavys have to pay very little price to fit a light weapon, What it should be like is that heavys get a 50% reduction in fitting costs to heavy weapons, then nerf their grid, that way they can comfortably fit heavy weapons but have to down grade moduals to fit light weapons. Don't pay any price ....? The hell ? You see that rail ? Heavies can't jump over it .... hell they can't jump over a flat piece of metal sitting on the ground . A heavy is always stuck taking a long route . A heavy ( minus Commandos at which point quit your bitching) absolutely cant refill his ammo. He needs to either find a rare supply depot and hope there is a friendly nano nearby . A heavy is SLOW ,blind , has a large hit box , and lights up the mini map like a Christmas tree if they even sneeze. For this we get a hp bonus that is only really useful when we have a logibro stuck to our butt , With all these disadvantages compared to a medium why shouldn't we be able to use what weapons we want ? It's not like it's OP. I would actualy agree with you if I didn't see 90% of heavys cruising around in LAVs totaly ignoring the fact they are suposed to be slow, Heck most Heavys also have enough raw HP that they can gun down half a squad and then insta jump back into a LAV and drive away before dieing. Heavys have no real disadvantages these days besides no nano hive.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2896	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:51:00 - [32] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I use a heavy with a scrambler rifle because I'm not counting on CCP to refund HMG skills when the heavy laser weapon gets released. Sorry if this has inflicted pain upon anyone. I like to call that fit my disco ball. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2896	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:52:00 - [33] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: The only reason many haven't said much on it is because the heavy's lack of gear, once that is fixed you're going to see a lot more of these threads to remove the heavy's aability to use light weapons, will give the commando a larger presence as well. And to all yall saying that you should be able to because 'it's all about customization': I want a Matari scout with 700 sheilds, but I can't, you know why? Because the suit's not ment to have a large shield reserve by design, it's not made for it, just like assaults will have trouble fitting cloaks soon to come, and how heavy's lack the slot for it. This whole 'you can do what you want' bs CCP has put out is just that: bs. Analogy fail. No.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1843	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:56:00 - [34] - Quote If you're a heavy using a light weapon you probably need that high Hp to make up for your lack of gun game. Real heavies run HMG/Forge. This is coming from a ex heavy for months that only ran HMG/forge. Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1464	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:56:00 - [35] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Give the HMG a range buff. STD 45m optimal ADV 50m optimal PRO 55m optimal OFFICER 65m optimal I use HMG with my rail tank, and it absolutely chews those Logi slayers up. Problem I find is most of them can just back up out of my optimal range. Same problem with LR. Y'all heavies need to stop asking for buffs... you've gotten 2 buffs recently, and are getting a 3rd one in 1.8 You guys are fine. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Hot-Lips Houlihan 4077 MASH 1	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:59:00 - [36] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Hey I have been killed by the boundless hmg at 50 meter ranges many times recently. Granted I was in a standard suit but I am not a complete total scrub and I was doing the right things like leading him out and engaging at range. I thought I was safe at 50m but it appears not! Hey you try waddling across the street in a heavy suit. while taking fire from long range rifles. It sucks, your HMG is totally powerless. Who cares if a heavy slaps on a rifle. Some maps you just need it. Well there is always the other alternative, trolling around in an LAV & jumping out to mow people down. Which do you prefer?
Rusty Shallows 845	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:16:00 - [37] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: snip If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. Increased SP investment and a misleading name Heavy Machine Gun summarize my complaints. People grind towards a real-world expectation only to get a different weapon. CCP needs to change the name to Chain Guns with a new description to lessen the confusion or make them into actual HMGs. Either-or it doesn't matter which. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2252	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:35:00 - [38] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I don't have a problem with real Heavies running light weapons on heavy suits; they've been abused enough. My problem is with people who need that 1000 HP to be relevant. The amount of people who respawn in a mlt heavy with an RR is hilarious, pure butthurt, much confusion about taking death personally in a game based around it. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
ContraBanJoe FACTION WARFARE ARMY 327	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:46:00 - [39] - Quote OLYMPIC SLOPES
J0LLY R0G3R Tickle My Null-Sac 379	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:49:00 - [40] - Quote I don't mind heavies using rifles. But my scout wants to run with the hmg. XD XD Indeed, chase me friend XD

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1618	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:58:00 - [41] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: I dont run in a heavy suit so IGÇÖm in no way defending my class but I don't get why so many people are getting butt hurt about them using light weapons! This is a game all about customisation, seeing as they only have 2 weapons it only seems fair that they can use what ever weapon they wish! If your getting killed by heavyGÇÖs using racial rifles then you need to think about how you approach them or reassess your gun game. I for one have never had a problem with taking down a heavy using a light weapon; just butter them up with a grenade and aim for their head. If I get killed by one thats fair game IMO; they got the drop on me and I deserved to be killed... Let the butt hurt commence! There is nothign wrong with it, but the fact that so many heavies do it nowadays speaks volumes about heavy weaponry Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 2220	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:34:00 - [42] - Quote I specced into AR before 1.7 but now I run CR on my pilot and RR on my logistics. I could use CR on my Heavy but AR is consistent and I already have proficiency, so why not? Also, you're much more versatile with a rifle. The amount of Heavies I see die everyday using the HMG because they are out of range is hilarious. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 444	Posted - 2014.01.21 00:35:00 - [43] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. right weapons? I've had a heavy w/ rifle class since chromosome. nothing has change since then, only the way people look at the game. Thr33 is the magic number.
Yeeeuuuupppp KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 35	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:28:00 - [44] - Quote I feel like it's a crutch for heavies to have proto rail rifles and combat rifles. I get it off you're only specced in heavy frames but if you have skills in a medium frame and I see you in a heavy suit I'll make sure I overkill you. Like earlier today I was having a competition with someone and first he used a logi suit and then after I killed him a few times he raged and brought it his proto sentinel suit. Keep in mind I was using an advanced Amarr logistics with a BK-42 combat rifle. That's like telling me that you're a worst player. Carving Hearts in People's Backs, One Day At A Time ~ Nova Knives
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:42:00 - [45] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: The games about customizing 'At A Price' Heavys have to pay very little price to fit a light weapon, What it should be like is that heavys get a 50% reduction in fitting costs to heavy weapons, then nerf their grid, that way they can comfortably fit heavy weapons but have to down grade moduals to fit light weapons. why? I am the real Darken
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:47:00 - [46] - Quote ugg reset wrote: The Attorney General wrote: The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. right weapons? I've had a heavy w/ rifle class since chromosome. nothing has change since then, only the way people look at the game. I ran a forge since chrome. The hmg was not my deal but my best suit was heavy type II. I prefered a gek and had one with my sver logi. When I ran heavy AR it was a different play style altogether. Suddenly I wanted my enemy to know where I was. I used the damage readout as a target locator. Back then the AR with sharpshooter was a beast. It wasn't til 1.5 that I started collecting assault suits. I still bust out the heavyAR combo sometimes. I got BPO mods and dren gear. It makes for a bad ass free suit. I am the real Darken
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2182	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:53:00 - [47] - Quote If a Heavy can't use a Light weapon, then all of the Lights and Mediums shouldn't be able to use a Sidearm as their primary. Natalie Portman.
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 30	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:09:00 - [48] - Quote Im a heavy/commando, i see it this way HMG dominates in CQC, problem is outside of that it gets beat by everything else. Thus in more open maps i just run my commando and i dominate those hybrid heavies with my shotgun because I'm faster and have bonuses to light weapons unlike them. HMG is anything but weaker then Light weapons. It just doesnt have the range of light weapons, because it was built for CQC. just give heavies a medium-long range Heavy weapon thats built for killing infantry and hybrid heavies will lose popularity. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1286	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:26:00 - [49] - Quote The only time this bothers me is when i'm running my STD 450HP AA suit. It sucks knowing that I could easily destroy a player but the fact that a heavy at range has such a high TTK, it breaks the flow of the game. A lot of the time, I have to stop firing completely to let my gun cool down because the dude has so much HP. It's not fun to fight these guys. But as long as i'm using my Viziam, it doesn't really matter. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
TunRa NEW OMENS 392	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:31:00 - [50] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: The only time this bothers me is when i'm running my STD 450HP AA suit. It sucks knowing that I could easily destroy a player but the fact that a heavy at range has such a high TTK, it breaks the flow of the game. A lot of the time, I have to stop firing completely to let my gun cool down because the dude has so much HP. It's not fun to fight these guys. But as long as i'm using my Viziam, it doesn't really matter. Oh by all means let's nerf something because it is "not fun to fight them." Thanks CCP Foxfour

Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 16	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:33:00 - [51] - Quote The only real reason I run a heavy with a light weapon is because it is taking ages, and I do mean ages, to get the option to use a heavy weapon. (Had to make a detour to work on my swarm launcher.)
TunRa NEW OMENS 392	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:39:00 - [52] - Quote Why are we even stil talking about this? This trailer is all we need to know what CCP wants from Dust. Why would we start making this game so 2D when all we want is 4D game from a 3D game? Thanks CCP Foxfour
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2592	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:51:00 - [53] - Quote TunRa wrote: Why are we even stil talking about this? This trailer is all we need to know what CCP wants from Dust. Why would we start making this game so 2D when all we want is 4D game from a 3D game? I really don't like that guys accent for that trailer though! Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 159	Posted - 2014.01.21 03:05:00 - [54] - Quote Idgaf what anyone says anyone using a heavy with a light weapon is a talent-less player who NEEDS it to be any good. There is no excuse now hmg are good. Now if I get killed by a commando and he has a light weapon, that's what the suit is designed for and I don't have a problem with that. And also he/she has actually put the hard time and labor to get that sp to attain a commando The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2905	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:34:00 - [55] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: If you're a heavy using a light weapon you probably need that high Hp to make up for your lack of gun game. Real heavies run HMG/Forge. This is coming from a ex heavy for months that only ran HMG/forge. Lol, I'm sure it has nothing to do with wanting a little diversity. No.
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2593	Posted - 2014.01.21 14:45:00 - [56] - Quote Love reading all the posts who instead need to step up their game would rather QQ about GÇ£OP HeavyGÇÖsGÇ¥ LOLz! Keep the butt hurt coming people o7 Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 937	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:01:00 - [57] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. More like "If there was as much variation for heavies weapons as there is for the rifles, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons." Currently heavies are stuck with 1 Anti-Infantry weapon and 1 Anti-Vehicle weapon. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:03:00 - [58] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Idgaf what anyone says anyone using a heavy with a light weapon is a talent-less player who NEEDS it to be any good. There is no excuse now hmg are good. Now if I get killed by a commando and he has a light weapon, that's what the suit is designed for and I don't have a problem with that. And also he/she has actually put the hard time and labor to get that sp to attain a commando I am sure they do not care what you say either. It takes the same SP to skill into commando as it does sentinel so how is your last sentence relevant? Thank you for sharing your opinion. I am the real Darken
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1657	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:05:00 - [59] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: I dont run in a heavy suit so IGÇÖm in no way defending my class but I don't get why so many people are getting butt hurt about them using light weapons! This is a game all about customisation, seeing as they only have 2 weapons it only seems fair that they can use what ever weapon they wish! If your getting killed by heavyGÇÖs using racial rifles then you need to think about how you approach them or reassess your gun game. I for one have never had a problem with taking down a heavy using a light weapon; just butter them up with a grenade and aim for their head. If I get killed by one thats fair game IMO; they got the drop on me and I deserved to be killed... Let the butt hurt commence! same reason people get butt hurt about logi's being slayers. people have gotten it stuck into their heads that because the suits have a class name they can't operate in other ways.
Sgt Buttscratch 1356	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:24:00 - [60] - Quote So basically people don't choose a heavy/sentinel role for what it is, they choose it for crutch HP amounts... what I got from this thread. Struggling game, based up strategic warfare, roles, building the right fighting force and what-not all undone, by the actual game. choose suit, get AR, then call people butt hurt who think that the game is far from diverse and roles, strategy and anything else that might use one braincell is just not here. The game game is nothing but a poor excuse for a 2008(at best) shooter. The things that could seperate the game from others are just not here. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans



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