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Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2570	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:11:00 - [1] - Quote I dont run in a heavy suit so IGÇÖm in no way defending my class but I don't get why so many people are getting butt hurt about them using light weapons! This is a game all about customisation, seeing as they only have 2 weapons it only seems fair that they can use what ever weapon they wish! If your getting killed by heavyGÇÖs using racial rifles then you need to think about how you approach them or reassess your gun game. I for one have never had a problem with taking down a heavy using a light weapon; just butter them up with a grenade and aim for their head. If I get killed by one thats fair game IMO; they got the drop on me and I deserved to be killed... Let the butt hurt commence! Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5599	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:13:00 - [2] - Quote I use a heavy with a scrambler rifle because I'm not counting on CCP to refund HMG skills when the heavy laser weapon gets released. Sorry if this has inflicted pain upon anyone. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
The Attorney General 1815	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:13:00 - [3] - Quote The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Onesimus Tarsus 875	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:13:00 - [4] - Quote If it fits, run its. (I needed the rhyme there) God loves you. And I'm sure He'll tell you so when I'm done with you.
TITANIC Xangore Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 426	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:16:00 - [5] - Quote My heavy counter sniper is such a sexy sexy fat suit.
HiddenBrother Days of Ruin 37	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:20:00 - [6] - Quote A heavy posing a threat to my medium dropsuit? NERF. Ruin.
PEW JACKSON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:23:00 - [7] - Quote Give the HMG a range buff. STD 45m optimal ADV 50m optimal PRO 55m optimal OFFICER 65m optimal I use HMG with my rail tank, and it absolutely chews those Logi slayers up. Problem I find is most of them can just back up out of my optimal range. Same problem with LR. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5601	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:25:00 - [8] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. Of course, any medium suit can walk circles around a slow fatty ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5775	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:26:00 - [9] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The Attorney General wrote: The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. Of course, any medium suit can walk circles around a slow fatty Until you realize they removed the heavy's turning speed limit... Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5775	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:26:00 - [10] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Give the HMG a range buff. STD 45m optimal ADV 50m optimal PRO 55m optimal OFFICER 65m optimal I use HMG with my rail tank, and it absolutely chews those Logi slayers up. Problem I find is most of them can just back up out of my optimal range. Same problem with LR. Aaaand AR is useless. You do know the optimal of the AR is 48 meters right? And that's prototype incase you're wondering. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos

Dheez STRONG-ARMED BANDITS Public Disorder. 32	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:27:00 - [11] - Quote Still wish I could tell which Heavy is a Male or a Female. Do I have to do the Southern handshake with them? and if it slaps me, then thats a Lady?
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 87	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:29:00 - [12] - Quote Goddamn Heavy posers. Little sissy babies using light weapons. Probably too scared to use an HMG, the loud noises probably hurt their sensitive baby ears. Either go Commando or pick up a damn Heavy weapon. Meanwhile I'm grinding up enough clones with my MH-82 to start my own burger joint. I WILL CONSUME YOU WITH A HAILSTORM OF LEAD AND RAGE! *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
The Attorney General 1818	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:29:00 - [13] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The Attorney General wrote: The reason why they are mad is because heavy suits have a rather alrge HP advantage, so when you slap a long range rifle in their hands, they become quite potent. Not as dominating in CQC as they would be if they had an HMG, but they don't get stuck with the downsides of the HMG either. If the rifles were not so much better than the HMG, then maybe fatties would run the "right" weapons. Of course, any medium suit can walk circles around a slow fatty Like Cat merc said, they removed the turning limits. Even so, if you compare the turn speed while firing, the rifles leave the HMG in the dust. In PC, defending a flag, sure the HMG can shine. But in pubs, where you inevitably have to move and go flip some other flag that your blues have given up to the enemy, then having something that can kill beyond 40m is kind of critical. Not that I personally see the point of it. I feel that heavies with HMG's are just asking to get grenaded to death when they get rushed because retreat is not an option. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
PEW JACKSON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:32:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: Give the HMG a range buff. STD 45m optimal ADV 50m optimal PRO 55m optimal OFFICER 65m optimal I use HMG with my rail tank, and it absolutely chews those Logi slayers up. Problem I find is most of them can just back up out of my optimal range. Same problem with LR. Aaaand AR is useless. You do know the optimal of the AR is 48 meters right? And that's prototype incase you're wondering. That I didn't know. Then again I thought projectiles had better ranges compared to plasma.(Eve check me please) The AR does have a gradual falloff while the HMG is pretty steep. Wouldn't a fix for the AR be a higher ROF to offset the short range? Besides shorter range on a med frame isn't that bad seeing how they tend to have much higher mobility compared to a heavy. Heavies are using light weapons because they have range. Not asking for much, and a range buff could be a nice final tweak for the otherwise perfect HMG. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2248	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:33:00 - [15] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I use a heavy with a scrambler rifle because I'm not counting on CCP to refund HMG skills when the heavy laser weapon gets released. Sorry if this has inflicted pain upon anyone. It has reduction to heat damage if you overheat, your fking it right. Implications of heavy beam laser? Ps, leaving that wrong word mistake in there for lols Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Jane Madson Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 306	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:38:00 - [16] - Quote I run the hmg on my fatty, when i get on a map where range is a factor, i switch to a cal logi fit with rr. I find i'm more efective with a longer range weapon on a med. suit versus a heavy suit. When i need more range for my fatty, i run assault hmg with damage mods. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.(Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us)
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5605	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:40:00 - [17] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I use a heavy with a scrambler rifle because I'm not counting on CCP to refund HMG skills when the heavy laser weapon gets released. Sorry if this has inflicted pain upon anyone. It has reduction to heat damage if you overheat, your fking it right. Implications of heavy beam laser? Ps, leaving that wrong word mistake in there for lols Also the heavy laser weapon CCP is currently working on is pulse laser, not beam laser. Hopefully a heavy beam laser isn't too far off though, because that just sounds like pure awesome. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
TunRa NEW OMENS 387	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:44:00 - [18] - Quote It seems to me that everyone one is missing the point of Dust 514, this is not a traditional FPS it is DUST! You want to be a heavy sniper? DO IT! You want to be a medium with high HP? DO IT! You want to be a light suit with a bunch of damage mods and a assault rifle? DO IT! You want to be a medic class slayer? DO IT! That is what is good about dust, that you can do whatever you want with the suits and not be stuck in one role;e because "that is how is is suppose to be." Instead we get, x suit killed me with x weapon NERF IT! Or X guy is running X gun on X suit even tho he is X suit wtf!?!?!11 Thanks CCP Foxfour
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 348	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:49:00 - [19] - Quote The games about customizing 'At A Price' Heavys have to pay very little price to fit a light weapon, What it should be like is that heavys get a 50% reduction in fitting costs to heavy weapons, then nerf their grid, that way they can comfortably fit heavy weapons but have to down grade moduals to fit light weapons.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4099	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:52:00 - [20] - Quote I don't have a problem with real Heavies running light weapons on heavy suits; they've been abused enough. My problem is with people who need that 1000 HP to be relevant. Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D

Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 425	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:55:00 - [21] - Quote I'm sure heavies with ars are good for one on one or blob on blob fair fight engagements. But really if you are fighting fair you are doing it wrong. Heavies can't flank, scan, stay off radar or retreat from a losing fight. So the effectiveness is pretty meh. I could see it being a good noob fit to help remove ehp or dps advantage from better suis/chars
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3716	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:58:00 - [22] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Give the HMG a range buff. STD 45m optimal ADV 50m optimal PRO 55m optimal OFFICER 65m optimal I use HMG with my rail tank, and it absolutely chews those Logi slayers up. Problem I find is most of them can just back up out of my optimal range. Same problem with LR. Wouldn't 55m be a bit far? I mean, I won't dispute 65m on the Officer weapons, because it is an officer weapon. But 55m is way too far for a weapon designed to be CQC. Respecs need to happen in 1.8. End of discussion.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 77	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:01:00 - [23] - Quote Hey I have been killed by the boundless hmg at 50 meter ranges many times recently. Granted I was in a standard suit but I am not a complete total scrub and I was doing the right things like leading him out and engaging at range. I thought I was safe at 50m but it appears not!
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 782	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:01:00 - [24] - Quote I'm on both sides of the fence, really. On one hand, I have specced exactly zero SP into any other suit besides the heavy. Since I plan to stay a heavy forever, I don't see the need to spec other suits. So when I get bored of the HMG or forge, I slap on either a laser or scrambler rifle and do it for the lulz. On the other hand, I see people who run nothing but heavy suit and rail rifles, which really irks me. When the heavy laser comes out, you probably will never see a light weapon in my hand again, because I hate myself every time I run a light weapon but sometimes you just need a little bit of change. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1446	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:22:00 - [25] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: because I hate myself every time I run a light weapon but sometimes you just need a little bit of change. Same. I have a completely free SCR Templar fat suit, but that's the only time use a Light Weapon. Honestly, Heavies wanting to run with light weapons isn't worth complaining about. It's when I hear people say that because fatties can use light weapons it means CCP doesn't need to work on new Heavy Weapons that my blood starts to boil. On the other hand, if the game is ever in a state where people are ditching medium frames for heavy HP in droves to use their assault rifles, the game is in a horrible state of balance. Most light weapon users sticking to light/medium frames and most heavy frames sticking to heavy weapons = relative (or tolerable) balance. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Beamer 325 Hellstorm Incorporation 6	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:37:00 - [26] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I don't have a problem with real Heavies running light weapons on heavy suits; they've been abused enough. My problem is with people who need that 1000 HP to be relevant. This is sad! You of all people should know HP dont mean S**T. Two in the head and your dead.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4094	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:55:00 - [27] - Quote The only reason many haven't said much on it is because the heavy's lack of gear, once that is fixed you're going to see a lot more of these threads to remove the heavy's aability to use light weapons, will give the commando a larger presence as well. And to all yall saying that you should be able to because 'it's all about customization': I want a Matari scout with 700 sheilds, but I can't, you know why? Because the suit's not ment to have a large shield reserve by design, it's not made for it, just like assaults will have trouble fitting cloaks soon to come, and how heavy's lack the slot for it. This whole 'you can do what you want' bs CCP has put out is just that: bs. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 297	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:00:00 - [28] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: The games about customizing 'At A Price' Heavys have to pay very little price to fit a light weapon, What it should be like is that heavys get a 50% reduction in fitting costs to heavy weapons, then nerf their grid, that way they can comfortably fit heavy weapons but have to down grade moduals to fit light weapons. Don't pay any price ....? The hell ? You see that rail ? Heavies can't jump over it .... hell they can't jump over a flat piece of metal sitting on the ground . A heavy is always stuck taking a long route . A heavy ( minus Commandos at which point quit your bitching) absolutely cant refill his ammo. He needs to either find a rare supply depot and hope there is a friendly nano nearby . A heavy is SLOW ,blind , has a large hit box , and lights up the mini map like a Christmas tree if they even sneeze. For this we get a hp bonus that is only really useful when we have a logibro stuck to our butt , With all these disadvantages compared to a medium why shouldn't we be able to use what weapons we want ? It's not like it's OP. No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1181	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:06:00 - [29] - Quote light weapon heavys used to get under my skin but I spent a week running a skinweave with a republic HMG. Jesus(Hay - Zeus) I have never appreciated the speed and versatility of the scout suit more in my career. I understand why you all run about in your lavs with rail rifles, that suit is just painfully slow. your screwed if you can't reach out and touch someone. all transgressions forgiven heavys. keep your rails you need them. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1446	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:10:00 - [30] - Quote Beamer 325 wrote: Two in the head and your dead. Err, the game doesn't really work that way... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]



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