DUST Search - [Request] Range buff

PEW JACKSON wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

PEW JACKSON wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

The HMG just got fixed, heavies recently got 300+ more HP, and you are getting huge resistance bonuses in 1.8 that translate to "roughly 200 more HP at prototype"

The HMG is fine. Heavy suits are fine. You'll be fine.

So it's fine having people back up and shoot you down? If the HMG was really fine, you wouldn't see an abundance of heavies with light weapons.

If the HMG stays the same with a lack of other heavy weapons, 1.8 will be flooded with heavies +200-300 more ehp w/ light weapons.

The problem isn't with HMGs not being good enough. The rifles are too good. They don't allow any niche weapons to function as well as they should.

I'm not seeing many heavies using light weapons BTW. I'm seeing a lot of people in MLT and STD heavy suits using light weapons. They are FotM chasers, not heavies.

Those wannabe heavies would be drawn to the HMG if they saw it compete with the rifles beyond 40m.

When does an m16 beat a 30mm gatling gun in firepower?
That's the problem here.

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PEW JACKSON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 193	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:45:00 - [31] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: I don't think the Plasma Rifle outclasses the HMG at all right now. Sure it did pre-hotfix. But now, no way. It definitely outranges the HMG, sure. Which is fine, because it's an Assault Rifle. They're meant to have moderate range as a weapon class. But in the HMG'S optimal (where it's niche value resides) the AR doesn't even come close. I mean, I don't wanna say that you and the heavies out there are using light weapons because they're bad at the game per say, but maybe you're just not the best at specifically running the HMG. It's not really meant to be used like an Assault Rifle. In my experience, at least. Again my gripe is people's ability to back up out of HMG fire. I can engage someone at 15-20m and they'll be able to run out of the weapon's range due to dispersion and how laughable the HMG's optimal range is to begin with. If anyone with a rifle engages a heavy, all they have to do is stand outside of 30m and the Heavy's weapon is useless along with their HP since mobility isn't one of fat suit's strong points. BTW I don't use light weapons on a heavy, I have more than enough scout & assault suits for that. If I did we wouldn't be discussing HMG problems. I'd be using rifles in it's place. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 894	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:44:00 - [32] - Quote There is a lot of misunderstanding about the HMG. Making the optimal a bit farther out will not in any way make it op. The the amount of spread the HMG has; the farther aways you are the less damage you are going to do based on the sole dispersion. It's so big that even at 20 meters your damage is more than halved by dispersion. It's safe to assume that adding a bit more range to the weapon will not have any negative effects because the dispersion is already taking away most of the damage. Plasma Cannon Advocate For every niche there is a Rifle
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 146	Posted - 2014.01.22 00:08:00 - [33] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Again my gripe is people's ability to back up out of HMG fire. I can engage someone at 15-20m and they'll be able to run out of the weapon's range due to dispersion and how laughable the HMG's optimal range is to begin with. If anyone with a rifle engages a heavy, all they have to do is stand outside of 30m and the Heavy's weapon is useless along with their HP since mobility isn't one of fat suit's strong points. BTW I don't use light weapons on a heavy, I have more than enough scout & assault suits for that. If I did we wouldn't be discussing HMG problems. I'd be using rifles in it's place. I'm sorry, I can't relate, it's just not a common problem for me. Which is why I think maybe you're picking fights at ranges that you shouldn't be. And do you have any proficiency? Cause get some proficiency. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 42	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:20:00 - [34] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: bogeyman m wrote: I'd suggest the opposite: leaving HMG range where it is and shorten the Assault-type Rifles down. Getting 3-bullet killed from half way across the map, by someone that you can barely see, is a bit silly to me. Exaggerating much? Getting 3-bullet killed from (what seems like) half way across the map, by someone that you can barely see (who is actually a MLT Amarr Heavy w a Proto RR), is a bit silly to me. Better?
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 42	Posted - 2014.01.23 04:24:00 - [35] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Bigger gun =/= bugger bullets. Thank goodness. I hate those bugger bullets.
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 362	Posted - 2014.01.23 05:48:00 - [36] - Quote With more heavy weapons, I would like it to be more mid range than a CQC. Also, I don't agree with nerf the range on the rifles... but please buff passive scanning. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 495	Posted - 2014.01.23 07:29:00 - [37] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: The HMG just got fixed, heavies recently got 300+ more HP, and you are getting huge resistance bonuses in 1.8 that translate to "roughly 200 more HP at prototype" The HMG is fine. Heavy suits are fine. You'll be fine. So it's fine having people back up and shoot you down? If the HMG was really fine, you wouldn't see an abundance of heavies with light weapons. If the HMG stays the same with a lack of other heavy weapons, 1.8 will be flooded with heavies +200-300 more ehp w/ light weapons. The problem isn't with HMGs not being good enough. The rifles are too good. They don't allow any niche weapons to function as well as they should. I'm not seeing many heavies using light weapons BTW. I'm seeing a lot of people in MLT and STD heavy suits using light weapons. They are FotM chasers, not heavies. Those wannabe heavies would be drawn to the HMG if they saw it compete with the rifles beyond 40m. When does an m16 beat a 30mm gatling gun in firepower? That's the problem here. You are comparing a vehicle mounted round to a rifle. HMG is more like a rotary barrel SAW if anything. It chews people up close, at range it fails. Its niche is defending objectives, especially those in buildings. Its fine.
PEW JACKSON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 194	Posted - 2014.01.23 09:26:00 - [38] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: You are comparing a vehicle mounted round to a rifle. HMG is more like a rotary barrel SAW if anything. It chews people up close, at range it fails. Its niche is defending objectives, especially those in buildings. Its fine. The point I'm trying to make. The HMG is too easy to avoid, out gun, and easier to have a bad time with. AR + Heavy CR + Heavy SCR + Heavy RR + Heavy All beat a HMG Heavy outside 30m, and 70% end up beating the HMG inside 30m with strafing. I've been in enough PC, pub, and FW to know what I'm talking about. As it stands rite now, the HMG only has a fear factor inside 30m. That's absolute crap when the answer to a heavy is, backup and fire. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 509	Posted - 2014.01.23 10:05:00 - [39] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: The HMG just got fixed, heavies recently got 300+ more HP, and you are getting huge resistance bonuses in 1.8 that translate to "roughly 200 more HP at prototype" The HMG is fine. Heavy suits are fine. You'll be fine. Where are you getting your information? we did not get a 300+ hp buff it was closer to 100 total between shields and armor. Also huge resistance? Last i checked it was something like 2-3% I would hardly call that huge that isnt even 1 full round from most guns (based on 1k hps because i like easy math) (btw its about 20 damage) I doubt anyone will even notice the resistances.
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 146	Posted - 2014.01.23 20:34:00 - [40] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: The HMG just got fixed, heavies recently got 300+ more HP, and you are getting huge resistance bonuses in 1.8 that translate to "roughly 200 more HP at prototype" The HMG is fine. Heavy suits are fine. You'll be fine. Where are you getting your information? we did not get a 300+ hp buff it was closer to 100 total between shields and armor. Also huge resistance? Last i checked it was something like 2-3% I would hardly call that huge that isnt even 1 full round from most guns (based on 1k hps because i like easy math) (btw its about 20 damage) I doubt anyone will even notice the resistances. It was exactly 150hp for the record. The resistances are all per level. So every Sentinel ends up with a 25% resistance to all splash damage, a 15% resistance to one damage type, and a 10% resistance to another damage type. All of which I actually find quite appealing. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.



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