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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8194	Posted - 2014.01.20 00:03:00 - [1] - Quote This thread is for the purpose of categorizing the weapons of Dust 514. Assault rifles G: Assault rifle: C: Rail rifle M: Combat rifle A: Scrambler rifle Pistols G: Ion pistol C: Bolt pistol M: flaylock pistol A: Scrambler pistol SMGs G: ? C: Magsec M: SMG A: ? Sniper rifles G: ? C: Sniper rifle M: precision rifle A: laser rifle? (not sure) Shotguns G: shotgun C: 2nd row, 2nd gun from the left? (not sure) M: Weapon help by the guy on the far right? (not sure) A: Light AV G: Plasma cannon C: Swarm launcher M: ? A: ? Heavy G: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? Other G: ? C: ? M: Mass driver A: laser rifle? (not sure) Some help from CCP would be needed, like clarification of where the laser rifle belongs in. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1609	Posted - 2014.01.20 00:05:00 - [2] - Quote I believe the Mass Driver is in a AOE class, not sure wether laser is designated sniper or not, if it is it needs a horrendus buff. Also that one where you believe you see caldari shotgun, second row, second column I believe to be caldari AOE, third column caldari shotgun. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 270	Posted - 2014.01.20 00:09:00 - [3] - Quote I think technically the LR is a DMR not a Sniper Rifle because of its range and zoom fidelity When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8199	Posted - 2014.01.20 01:29:00 - [4] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: I think technically the LR is a DMR not a Sniper Rifle because of its range and zoom fidelity Would be splitting hairs really, the scrambler rifle for example can qualify as a DMR because of its range and damage, but its still the Amarr racial variant of the assault rifle. Weapons in the same class can behave very differently, so creating sub-categories like DMR doesn't seem like its needed. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 890	Posted - 2014.01.20 01:51:00 - [5] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: I think technically the LR is a DMR not a Sniper Rifle because of its range and zoom fidelity ScR is the true DMR The Sinwarden
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4344	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:03:00 - [6] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Heavy G: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? Really should divide this into Heavy Anti-Infantry and Heavy Anti-Vehicle with only weapon in each (Caldari has AV with Forge and Minmatar has AI with HMG... obviously)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8199	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:08:00 - [7] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Heavy G: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? Really should divide this into Heavy Anti-Infantry and Heavy Anti-Vehicle with only weapon in each (Caldari has AV with Forge and Minmatar has AI with HMG... obviously) The assumption is a bit too speculative for me. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4345	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:16:00 - [8] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Heavy G: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? Really should divide this into Heavy Anti-Infantry and Heavy Anti-Vehicle with only weapon in each (Caldari has AV with Forge and Minmatar has AI with HMG... obviously) The assumption is a bit too speculative for me. What's speculative? That the Forge Gun is primarily intended as AV? That the HMG is a primarily anti-infantry weapon? Or that there will eventually be more than 4 weapons intended for use by non-Commando heavy suits? I think all of those are perfectly reasonable expectations to have for the game.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8203	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:20:00 - [9] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Heavy G: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? Really should divide this into Heavy Anti-Infantry and Heavy Anti-Vehicle with only weapon in each (Caldari has AV with Forge and Minmatar has AI with HMG... obviously) The assumption is a bit too speculative for me. What's speculative? That the Forge Gun is primarily intended as AV? That the HMG is a primarily anti-infantry weapon? Or that there will eventually be more than 4 weapons intended for use by non-Commando heavy suits? I think all of those are perfectly reasonable expectations to have for the game. Yes the forge gun is AV, and the HMG is AI, but there's no reason right now to assume that CCP won't just lump them together in one category. When one race gets both an AI and AV heavy weapons, then I will consider the heavy weapon category split. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5916	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:27:00 - [10] - Quote The Laser rifle is not a sniper rifle for gods sake. Its a unique weapon like the Swarm Launcher and Mass Driver. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8204	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:30:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: The Laser rifle is not a sniper rifle for gods sake. Its a unique weapon like the Swarm Launcher and Mass Driver. Swarm launcher is light AV, just like plasma cannon I never said definitely that the laser rifle was a sniper rifle, only that it might be; weapons of the same type can behave very differently (compare scrambler rifle to AR). I also said it might also be classified as just "other" along with the mass driver. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1401	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:33:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: The Laser rifle is not a sniper rifle for gods sake. Its a unique weapon like the Swarm Launcher and Mass Driver. I think weapons like Laser Rifles have their own class. They don't really resemble anything else in the game, and can't be classed with them. Its an "Other" Weapon. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 417	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:37:00 - [13] - Quote here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C)
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2561	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:44:00 - [14] - Quote I wish they thought about releasing some of these old HMG designs. The digital camo one looks so freaking buff! Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8207	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:49:00 - [15] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) But there is already a Minmatar sniper rifle shown (precision rifle) suggesting the sniper rifle is a weapon class. It could be possible for the shotgun to be a special weapon, but (speculation) some concept art weapons look like they will be new shotguns. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 439	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:51:00 - [16] - Quote This devblog shows only 2 more heavy weapons in the plan, and there was a dev post that said "the Amarr heavy weapon," or some such (but basically it was worded as to be singular and mean only 1 heavy Amarr weapon.) This makes me believe that there will only be 4 heavy weapons, 1 for each race. As to your speculation on what that 2nd by 2nd weapon might be, it just looks like more concept art for the Magsec SMG, as it is very similar to the picture labled such. Here you can type your bio.
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 136	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:53:00 - [17] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) The precision rifle has already been shown though, so I'm pretty sure all the races will get their own sniper rifle. @Kagehosi- I was under the impression that the shotgun was the Gallente's specialist weapon (which by the way I think sounds a bit cleaner for the category than "other" ). Also, that picture you think might be the Minmatar shotgun seems to clearly have an HMG-like rotating multi-barrel design. I'm assuming it was meant to be something like an LMG. But, as you said, different races' weapons in the same category might have drastically different firing mechanics, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. I also recall one of the CPM (Iron Wolf I think) saying a while back that the mass driver was actually the AV/launcher weapon for the Minmatar. But again, far from certain. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 136	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:56:00 - [18] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: This devblog shows only 2 more heavy weapons in the plan, and there was a dev post that said "the Amarr heavy weapon," or some such (but basically it was worded as to be singular and mean only 1 heavy Amarr weapon.) This makes me believe that there will only be 4 heavy weapons, 1 for each race. Well I'm reeeeeally really hoping we get at least 5, so then at least each damage type is covered. But really one AV and one AI would be far preferable. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8207	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:56:00 - [19] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: This devblog shows only 2 more heavy weapons in the plan, and there was a dev post that said "the Amarr heavy weapon," or some such (but basically it was worded as to be singular and mean only 1 heavy Amarr weapon.) This makes me believe that there will only be 4 heavy weapons, 1 for each race. As to your speculation on what that 2nd by 2nd weapon might be, it just looks like more concept art for the Magsec SMG, as it is very similar to the picture labled such. I've considered that, but no other weapon is shown twice in that image, so it seems incorrect to assume that the magsec would be shown twice. Weapons from the same race can look (boringly) similar, like the SMG and combat rifle. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8207	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:02:00 - [20] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) The precision rifle has already been shown though, so I'm pretty sure all the races will get their own sniper rifle. @Kagehosi- I was under the impression that the shotgun was the Gallente's specialist weapon (which by the way I think sounds a bit cleaner for the category than "other" ). Also, that picture you think might be the Minmatar shotgun seems to clearly have an HMG-like rotating multi-barrel design. I'm assuming it was meant to be something like an LMG. But, as you said, different races' weapons in the same category might have drastically different firing mechanics, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. I also recall one of the CPM (Iron Wolf I think) saying a while back that the mass driver was actually the AV/launcher weapon for the Minmatar. But again, far from certain. Updated the OP to say the possibility of the shotgun not being a weapon class. As for mass driver, if its a light AV weapon, its a very bad one. Also, the other light AV weapons all seem to be shoulder-mounted. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1614	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:54:00 - [21] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: I wish they thought about releasing some of these old HMG designs. The digital camo one looks so freaking buff! Thats a T3 weapons system, they are all derived from the same frame. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1614	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:00:00 - [22] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Summ Dude wrote: Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) The precision rifle has already been shown though, so I'm pretty sure all the races will get their own sniper rifle. @Kagehosi- I was under the impression that the shotgun was the Gallente's specialist weapon (which by the way I think sounds a bit cleaner for the category than "other" ). Also, that picture you think might be the Minmatar shotgun seems to clearly have an HMG-like rotating multi-barrel design. I'm assuming it was meant to be something like an LMG. But, as you said, different races' weapons in the same category might have drastically different firing mechanics, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. I also recall one of the CPM (Iron Wolf I think) saying a while back that the mass driver was actually the AV/launcher weapon for the Minmatar. But again, far from certain. Updated the OP to say the possibility of the shotgun not being a weapon class. As for mass driver, if its a light AV weapon, its a very bad one. Also, the other light AV weapons all seem to be shoulder-mounted. Was going to say this, while it is true that the MD has AV capabilities (no damage penalty against vehicles or installations) it doesn't follow the over the shoulder style of other AV. Pair ths with the description designating it as AI and we are still missing Minmatar AV. Also see my orginal post, I think that grid you show also cintains the caldari shotgun. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 561	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:04:00 - [23] - Quote The PLC might be able to be called a sniper cannon(?) It hits at 200m(cal sr hits to 600) and is near instakill for heavies. Therefore it's sniper/aoe/av classed. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5545	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:05:00 - [24] - Quote Laser Rifle is definitely not in the sniper rifle class. It had iron sights for a while for goodness sake and the range has always been comparable with normal assault rifles (the class). Also if you want to include grenades, A: ? C: AV Grenade G: Flux Grenade M: Locus Grenade Also I'm casting my vote/opinion that the sniper rifle and shotgun are indeed weapon classes and each race will eventually get a version. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2041	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:17:00 - [25] - Quote The laser rifle, sniper rifle, and precision rifle are all long-range rifles. I think that they should all be categorized together. I think each race won't get a "knife" but instead a melee weapon. CCP wasn't thinking straight when they were talking about racial knives. Finally, the shotgun and mass driver are both specialty weapons. Shotgun is the only light weapon dedicated to CQC, and mass driver is the only light weapon dedicated to support. Then again it could be argued that the laser/sniper is in fact in the same category as these weapons because they are also specialty weapons good at only one thing. It also makes sense because we have gallente being short range, minmatar being short-medium, amarr being medium-long, and caldari being long range, in terms of specialty weapons. But then again who knows what the precision rifle will be like, and if the gallente long-range rifle will actually be shorter range than all of them. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1614	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:26:00 - [26] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: The laser rifle, sniper rifle, and precision rifle are all long-range rifles. I think that they should all be categorized together. I think each race won't get a "knife" but instead a melee weapon. CCP wasn't thinking straight when they were talking about racial knives. Finally, the shotgun and mass driver are both specialty weapons. Shotgun is the only light weapon dedicated to CQC, and mass driver is the only light weapon dedicated to support. Then again it could be argued that the laser/sniper is in fact in the same category as these weapons because they are also specialty weapons good at only one thing. It also makes sense because we have gallente being short range, minmatar being short-medium, amarr being medium-long, and caldari being long range, in terms of specialty weapons. But then again who knows what the precision rifle will be like, and if the gallente long-range rifle will actually be shorter range than all of them. If we were to only use information currently in game, yes the shotgun would be in the Speacilist class. However based on rumours, concept arts, etc. I think there is a AOE class Shotgun Class Sniper Class LMG class. If we designate the Laser as an LMG, when we look at the minmatar art with the rumoured shotgun, there is also an LMG on the close left. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5944	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:39:00 - [27] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: The laser rifle, sniper rifle, and precision rifle are all long-range rifles. I think that they should all be categorized together. I think each race won't get a "knife" but instead a melee weapon. CCP wasn't thinking straight when they were talking about racial knives. Finally, the shotgun and mass driver are both specialty weapons. Shotgun is the only light weapon dedicated to CQC, and mass driver is the only light weapon dedicated to support. Then again it could be argued that the laser/sniper is in fact in the same category as these weapons because they are also specialty weapons good at only one thing. It also makes sense because we have gallente being short range, minmatar being short-medium, amarr being medium-long, and caldari being long range, in terms of specialty weapons. But then again who knows what the precision rifle will be like, and if the gallente long-range rifle will actually be shorter range than all of them. If we were to only use information currently in game, yes the shotgun would be in the Speacilist class. However based on rumours, concept arts, etc. I think there is a AOE class Shotgun Class Sniper Class LMG class. If we designate the Laser as an LMG, when we look at the minmatar art with the rumoured shotgun, there is also an LMG on the close left. You don't even know how much the mere concept of an LMG would change my current plans to skill True. I'd instantly drop scouts in favour of a heavier frame and couple that LMG with a Laser and be the ultimate suppression master. However right now scouts fit my secondary desired play style. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1616	Posted - 2014.01.20 11:24:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: The laser rifle, sniper rifle, and precision rifle are all long-range rifles. I think that they should all be categorized together. I think each race won't get a "knife" but instead a melee weapon. CCP wasn't thinking straight when they were talking about racial knives. Finally, the shotgun and mass driver are both specialty weapons. Shotgun is the only light weapon dedicated to CQC, and mass driver is the only light weapon dedicated to support. Then again it could be argued that the laser/sniper is in fact in the same category as these weapons because they are also specialty weapons good at only one thing. It also makes sense because we have gallente being short range, minmatar being short-medium, amarr being medium-long, and caldari being long range, in terms of specialty weapons. But then again who knows what the precision rifle will be like, and if the gallente long-range rifle will actually be shorter range than all of them. If we were to only use information currently in game, yes the shotgun would be in the Speacilist class. However based on rumours, concept arts, etc. I think there is a AOE class Shotgun Class Sniper Class LMG class. If we designate the Laser as an LMG, when we look at the minmatar art with the rumoured shotgun, there is also an LMG on the close left. You don't even know how much the mere concept of an LMG would change my current plans to skill True. I'd instantly drop scouts in favour of a heavier frame and couple that LMG with a Laser and be the ultimate suppression master. However right now scouts fit my secondary desired play style. Why an LMG and an LMG? If we classify the laser as LMG based on low damage, high ROF, large Magazine. You would be more benifical going for a short range weapon. A Minmatar commando wielding the Minmatar Shotgun and Minmatar LMG. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5560	Posted - 2014.01.20 11:27:00 - [29] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Why an LMG and an LMG? If we classify the laser as LMG based on low damage, high ROF, large Magazine. You would be more benifical going for a short range weapon. A Minmatar commando wielding the Minmatar Shotgun and Minmatar LMG. Agreed, the key to success with the Commando is complimenting the effective range of your weapons. Also I never thought of the Laser Rifle as an LMG, but I can definitely see how that could be argued. And since that one concept art shows a Minmatar soldier carrying what looks like an LMG, then all we're missing is the Caldari LMG and Gallente LMG. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1616	Posted - 2014.01.20 11:33:00 - [30] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Why an LMG and an LMG? If we classify the laser as LMG based on low damage, high ROF, large Magazine. You would be more benifical going for a short range weapon. A Minmatar commando wielding the Minmatar Shotgun and Minmatar LMG. Agreed, the key to success with the Commando is complimenting the effective range of your weapons. Also I never thought of the Laser Rifle as an LMG, but I can definitely see how that could be argued. And since that one concept art shows a Minmatar soldier carrying what looks like an LMG, then all we're missing is the Caldari LMG and Gallente LMG. It would make sense, if you consider other FPS titles, the LMG often comparable to the Rifles has much larger magazines. This fits in with laser rifles massive mag capacity, not to mention skilling it up allows for marathons of suppressing fire. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4352	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:30:00 - [31] - Quote If you're classifying Laser Rifles as LMG, I think it's worth reminding people about the Caldari Gauss Rifle that had its own YouTube video a while back.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1622	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:41:00 - [32] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you're classifying Laser Rifles as LMG, I think it's worth reminding people about the Caldari Gauss Rifle that had its own YouTube video a while back. Very good point, all though it would need a much larger magazine now, and the range is presented as 640m effective. Here is the video anyway, that now POTENTIALLY 3 LMG based weapons. http://youtu.be/NpJQjwKs6Kg Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 579	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:52:00 - [33] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: I wish they thought about releasing some of these old HMG designs. The digital camo one looks so freaking buff! Nice....
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 882	Posted - 2014.01.21 11:08:00 - [34] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: This thread is for the purpose of categorizing the weapons of Dust 514. Assault rifles G: Assault rifle: C: Rail rifle M: Combat rifle A: Scrambler rifle Pistols G: Ion pistol C: Bolt pistol M: flaylock pistol A: Scrambler pistol SMGs G: ? C: Magsec M: SMG A: ? Knives G: Unnamed, but announced C: Nova knives M: Unnamed, but announced A: Unnamed, but announced Sniper rifles G: ? C: Sniper rifle M: precision rifle A: Laser rifle? (can't rule out the possibility yet) Shotguns G: shotgun C: 2nd row from the top, 2nd gun from the left? (not sure) M: Weapon help by the guy on the far right? (not sure) A: ? It is possible that none of these things appearing in concept art aren't shotguns, and there might be no shotgun weapon class Light AV G: Plasma cannon C: Swarm launcher M: ? A: ? Heavy G: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? Grenades A: ? C: AV Grenade G: Flux Grenade M: Locus Grenade Other/Special G: shotgun? (not sure) C: ? M: Mass driver A: laser rifle? (not sure) Some help from CCP would be appreciated, like clarification of where the laser rifle belongs in. You got most of them right, but personally I would make a few tweaks. Firstly, I would ditch the sniper rifle and shotgun weapon classes, as they would be part of the special weapon category. Secondly I'm a little doubtful if the Forge gun counts as a heavy weapon or a heavy AV weapon. My list would be like this: Assault Rifles: G: Plasma Rifle C: Rail Rifle A: Scrambler Rifle M: Combat Rifle Light AV Weapons: G: Plasma Cannon C: Swarm Launcher A: ? M: ? Heavy AV Weapons: G: ? C: Forge Gun A: ? M: ? Heavy Infantry Weapons: G: ? C: ? A: ? M: HMG Long Range Rifles: G: ? C: ? A: ? M: Precision Rifle Special Weapons: G: Shotgun C: Sniper Rifle A: Laser Rifle M: Mass Driver Pistols: G: Ion Pistol C: Bolt Pistol A: Scrambler Pistol M: Flaylock Pistol Submachine Guns: G: ? C: Magsec SMG A: ? M: SMG(needs a better name) Knives: G: ? C: Nova Knife A: ? M: ? Grenades: G: Flux Grenade C: AV Grenade A: ? (Miasma grenade has been in SiSI for ages) M: Locus Grenade I'm not really sure where the forge gun or precision rifle would fit in these categories, but that's my understanding of the racial weapon categories. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 14th
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1623	Posted - 2014.01.21 11:53:00 - [35] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: This thread is for the purpose of categorizing the weapons of Dust 514. Assault rifles G: Assault rifle: C: Rail rifle M: Combat rifle A: Scrambler rifle Pistols G: Ion pistol C: Bolt pistol M: flaylock pistol A: Scrambler pistol SMGs G: ? C: Magsec M: SMG A: ? Knives G: Unnamed, but announced C: Nova knives M: Unnamed, but announced A: Unnamed, but announced Sniper rifles G: ? C: Sniper rifle M: precision rifle A: Laser rifle? (can't rule out the possibility yet) Shotguns G: shotgun C: 2nd row from the top, 2nd gun from the left? (not sure) M: Weapon help by the guy on the far right? (not sure) A: ? It is possible that none of these things appearing in concept art aren't shotguns, and there might be no shotgun weapon class Light AV G: Plasma cannon C: Swarm launcher M: ? A: ? Heavy G: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? Grenades A: ? C: AV Grenade G: Flux Grenade M: Locus Grenade Other/Special G: shotgun? (not sure) C: ? M: Mass driver A: laser rifle? (not sure) Some help from CCP would be appreciated, like clarification of where the laser rifle belongs in. You got most of them right, but personally I would make a few tweaks. Firstly, I would ditch the sniper rifle and shotgun weapon classes, as they would be part of the special weapon category. Secondly I'm a little doubtful if the Forge gun counts as a heavy weapon or a heavy AV weapon. My list would be like this: Assault Rifles: G: Plasma Rifle C: Rail Rifle A: Scrambler Rifle M: Combat Rifle Light AV Weapons: G: Plasma Cannon C: Swarm Launcher A: ? M: ? Heavy AV Weapons: G: ? C: Forge Gun A: ? M: ? Heavy Infantry Weapons: G: ? C: ? A: ? M: HMG Long Range Rifles: G: ? C: ? A: ? M: Precision Rifle Special Weapons: G: Shotgun C: Sniper Rifle A: Laser Rifle M: Mass Driver Pistols: G: Ion Pistol C: Bolt Pistol A: Scrambler Pistol M: Flaylock Pistol Submachine Guns: G: ? C: Magsec SMG A: ? M: SMG(needs a better name) Knives: G: ? C: Nova Knife A: ? M: ? Grenades: G: Flux Grenade C: AV Grenade A: ? (Miasma grenade has been in SiSI for ages) M: Locus Grenade I'm not really sure where the forge gun or precision rifle would fit in these categories, but that's my understanding of the racial weapon categories. Well you see that's the thing though, the prescision rifle is the Minmatar Sniper Rifle. If the Minmatar (second shortest range, groundside) are getting a sniper rifle it is safe to assume that everyone one will. It may be that there is a Shotgun Class - G, M , A Sniper Class - M, A, C AOE Class - G, M, C LMG Class - G, A, C prehaps? Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 160	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:58:00 - [36] - Quote Just thought I'd leave this here. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8819	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:19:00 - [37] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Just thought I'd leave this here. Thanks, updated the OP Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6631	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:22:00 - [38] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I believe the Mass Driver is in a AOE class, not sure wether laser is designated sniper or not, if it is it needs a horrendus buff. Also that one where you believe you see caldari shotgun, second row, second column I believe to be caldari AOE, third column caldari shotgun. The laser for what it is does not make sense as a sniper rifle, as I cannot be used effectively in the role required of a sniper. Since snipers need to remain hidden....the laser thows that **** out the window..... "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8819	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:26:00 - [39] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I believe the Mass Driver is in a AOE class, not sure wether laser is designated sniper or not, if it is it needs a horrendus buff. Also that one where you believe you see caldari shotgun, second row, second column I believe to be caldari AOE, third column caldari shotgun. The laser for what it is does not make sense as a sniper rifle, as I cannot be used effectively in the role required of a sniper. Since snipers need to remain hidden....the laser thows that ** out the window..... You may be interested in that CCP confirmed mass driver is a "launcher" class weapon, and shares the same class with the plasma cannon and swarm launcher. I think I spotted the Amarr launcher as well. Also, names of the Gallente and Amarr heavy weapons have been revealed. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt** Gû¦Gû+
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6635	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:06:00 - [40] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I believe the Mass Driver is in a AOE class, not sure wether laser is designated sniper or not, if it is it needs a horrendus buff. Also that one where you believe you see caldari shotgun, second row, second column I believe to be caldari AOE, third column caldari shotgun. The laser for what it is does not make sense as a sniper rifle, as I cannot be used effectively in the role required of a sniper. Since snipers need to remain hidden....the laser thows that **** out the window..... You may be interested in that CCP confirmed mass driver is a "launcher" class weapon, and shares the same class with the plasma cannon and swarm launcher. I think I spotted the Amarr launcher as well. Also, names of the Gallente and Amarr heavy weapons have been revealed. Not to us lesser beings though. Only CPM have that information I believe. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2021	Posted - 2014.02.05 09:04:00 - [41] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I believe the Mass Driver is in a AOE class, not sure wether laser is designated sniper or not, if it is it needs a horrendus buff. Also that one where you believe you see caldari shotgun, second row, second column I believe to be caldari AOE, third column caldari shotgun. The laser for what it is does not make sense as a sniper rifle, as I cannot be used effectively in the role required of a sniper. Since snipers need to remain hidden....the laser thows that **** out the window..... You may be interested in that CCP confirmed mass driver is a "launcher" class weapon, and shares the same class with the plasma cannon and swarm launcher. I think I spotted the Amarr launcher as well. Also, names of the Gallente and Amarr heavy weapons have been revealed. True, but as they also say this doesn't mean you won't get a Minmatar AV weapon the Mass Driver is there so they can say they had one. Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9520	Posted - 2014.02.22 22:59:00 - [42] - Quote Quite a few places left to be filled Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1738	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:05:00 - [43] - Quote mismia grenade (from what I heard is akin to a flashbang) is probably Amarr. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9520	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:07:00 - [44] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: mismia grenade (from what I heard is akin to a flashbang) is probably Amarr. Not sure if they're still planning that, but worth putting on the list as a possibility. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 312	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:14:00 - [45] - Quote Man give me that ******* Precision Rifle NAO! Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1739	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:18:00 - [46] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: mismia grenade (from what I heard is akin to a flashbang) is probably Amarr. Not sure if they're still planning that, but worth putting on the list as a possibility. I thought it was more like a smoke bomb though. flashbangs are essiently modern day smoke bombs, just with a limited range Anyways, looked up mismia, and found out that we're probably both wrong; mismia grenade would be a poison grenade. NOW it makes even more sense, because we all knows Amarr is perfectly fine with poisoning people. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9520	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:22:00 - [47] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: mismia grenade (from what I heard is akin to a flashbang) is probably Amarr. Not sure if they're still planning that, but worth putting on the list as a possibility. I thought it was more like a smoke bomb though. flashbangs are essiently modern day smoke bombs, just with a limited range Anyways, looked up mismia, and found out that we're probably both wrong; mismia grenade would be a poison grenade. NOW it makes even more sense, because we all knows Amarr is perfectly fine with poisoning people. I've considered that, but we're wearing air-tight suits with their own life-support systems covered in shields and armor; I don't see how poisonous gas would do anything. Miasma is poison (though not necessarily in all definition), but always in a gas state, so I still think its going to be something gassy like smoke. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2022	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:24:00 - [48] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: mismia grenade (from what I heard is akin to a flashbang) is probably Amarr. Not sure if they're still planning that, but worth putting on the list as a possibility. I thought it was more like a smoke bomb though. flashbangs are essiently modern day smoke bombs, just with a limited range Anyways, looked up mismia, and found out that we're probably both wrong; mismia grenade would be a poison grenade. NOW it makes even more sense, because we all knows Amarr is perfectly fine with poisoning people. I've considered that, but we're wearing air-tight suits with their own life-support systems covered in shields and armor; I don't see how poisonous gas would do anything. Miasma is poison (though not necessarily in all definition), but always in a gas state, so I still think its going to be something gassy like smoke. I heard miassma will be an EMP mist, you will get electrical problems while in the grenades smoke. Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1739	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:25:00 - [49] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: mismia grenade (from what I heard is akin to a flashbang) is probably Amarr. Not sure if they're still planning that, but worth putting on the list as a possibility. I thought it was more like a smoke bomb though. flashbangs are essiently modern day smoke bombs, just with a limited range Anyways, looked up mismia, and found out that we're probably both wrong; mismia grenade would be a poison grenade. NOW it makes even more sense, because we all knows Amarr is perfectly fine with poisoning people. I've considered that, but we're wearing air-tight suits with their own life-support systems covered in shields and armor; I don't see how poisonous gas would do anything. Miasma is poison (though not necessarily in all definition), but always in a gas state, so I still think its going to be something gassy like smoke. Just because it's a poison, doesn't mean it would b regular chemicals. It might eat away at the shields and armor. EDIT: Basically acid in gas form. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9520	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:27:00 - [50] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: mismia grenade (from what I heard is akin to a flashbang) is probably Amarr. Not sure if they're still planning that, but worth putting on the list as a possibility. I thought it was more like a smoke bomb though. flashbangs are essiently modern day smoke bombs, just with a limited range Anyways, looked up mismia, and found out that we're probably both wrong; mismia grenade would be a poison grenade. NOW it makes even more sense, because we all knows Amarr is perfectly fine with poisoning people. I've considered that, but we're wearing air-tight suits with their own life-support systems covered in shields and armor; I don't see how poisonous gas would do anything. Miasma is poison (though not necessarily in all definition), but always in a gas state, so I still think its going to be something gassy like smoke. I heard miassma will be an EMP mist, you will get electrical problems while in the grenades smoke. That would be cool Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2005	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:30:00 - [51] - Quote If the above is true that'll be perfect for scouts "But we have been blessed"
Galthur Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:43:00 - [52] - Quote Scrambler Lance and Plasma Mortar where both CCP Logibro 'trolling' in IRC. That post is actually a troll post in itself as he decided to make it after Logibro admitted both were't real. I would suggest putting a ? in their place. What do you post in the war room when CCP is gone and PC is locked? 14:44 [CCP]Logibro: Not Anime.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9520	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:45:00 - [53] - Quote Galthur wrote: Scrambler Lance and Plasma Mortar where both CCP Logibro 'trolling' in IRC. That post is actually a troll post in itself as he decided to make it after Logibro admitted both were't real. I would suggest putting a ? in their place. That's depressing Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 965	Posted - 2014.02.23 00:43:00 - [54] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) Mass driver is the minmatar launcher Plasma cannon is the gallente launcher Swarm lancher is the caldari launcher
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2032	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:56:00 - [55] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) Mass driver is the minmatar launcher Plasma cannon is the gallente launcher Swarm lancher is the caldari launcher So far CCP may decide to release an AV Min lsuncher, which wiuld cast the MD into s new class. Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9529	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:28:00 - [56] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) Mass driver is the minmatar launcher Plasma cannon is the gallente launcher Swarm lancher is the caldari launcher So far CCP may decide to release an AV Min lsuncher, which wiuld cast the MD into s new class. The way I see it, not all launchers need to be AV, it would be cool if the precision rifle was AV (like an anti-tank rifle) IMO. I do think the MD should do full damage against vehicles though. If the Minmatar has 2 launcher weapons, I will go OCD. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 311	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:54:00 - [57] - Quote 'Rifles' Rail Assault Combat Scrambler 'Specialist/demoralizers' Sniper Shotgun Laser Precision(?) Launchers Mass driver Swarm Plc ??? (Khanid kingdom short range anti-infantry rocket? Falling into amarr 'cqb' weapon) Etc etc etc
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 811	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:58:00 - [58] - Quote i like your efforts in finding the shotguns for each race, and the minmitar one looks ******* amazing, can't wait to use it. I think the laser rifle is the amarr precision weapon, though i may be mistaken Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 199	Posted - 2014.02.23 20:13:00 - [59] - Quote LOL, People try so hard to make people think the Forge Gun is a AV weapon. Keep trying cupcake. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9901	Posted - 2014.03.11 20:31:00 - [60] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: LOL, People try so hard to make people think the Forge Gun is a AV weapon. Keep trying cupcake. I said its a heavy weapon, I don't know what you're talking about. Considering it does full damage against vehicles (which only AV weapons do), yes, it is AV. The fact that it is also effective against infantry in no way disqualifies it from being AV. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2178	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:02:00 - [61] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) Mass driver is the minmatar launcher Plasma cannon is the gallente launcher Swarm lancher is the caldari launcher So far CCP may decide to release an AV Min lsuncher, which wiuld cast the MD into s new class. The way I see it, not all launchers need to be AV, it would be cool if the precision rifle was AV (like an anti-tank rifle) IMO. I do think the MD should do full damage against vehicles though. If the Minmatar has 2 launcher weapons, I will go OCD. Sorry was on Tablet CCP have said Mass Driver goes into the "Launcher" Category at this point in time. HOWEVER they have not said that this would preclude the release of a Minnie AV weapon in that category. As such if the decide to release a Minmatar AV weapon within the "launcher" category then the Mass Driver would then be cast as a different class, like AOE, Territory weapon. They have said that specifically. The MD is only currently a launcher so they don't force themselves to have to make 2 more AV weapons and 3 more weapons. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9905	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:07:00 - [62] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) Mass driver is the minmatar launcher Plasma cannon is the gallente launcher Swarm lancher is the caldari launcher So far CCP may decide to release an AV Min lsuncher, which wiuld cast the MD into s new class. The way I see it, not all launchers need to be AV, it would be cool if the precision rifle was AV (like an anti-tank rifle) IMO. I do think the MD should do full damage against vehicles though. If the Minmatar has 2 launcher weapons, I will go OCD. Sorry was on Tablet CCP have said Mass Driver goes into the "Launcher" Category at this point in time. HOWEVER they have not said that this would preclude the release of a Minnie AV weapon in that category. As such if the decide to release a Minmatar AV weapon within the "launcher" category then the Mass Driver would then be cast as a different class, like AOE, Territory weapon. They have said that specifically. The MD is only currently a launcher so they don't force themselves to have to make 2 more AV weapons and 3 more launchers. I hope they indeed reclassify it if they add a new Minmatar launcher, but I doubt they will just to annoy me. Much like even after having 4 assault rifles, they still call the Gallente one "assault rifle". It would just be one of many little things to annoy me in Dust. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 288	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:25:00 - [63] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Sorry was on Tablet CCP have said Mass Driver goes into the "Launcher" Category at this point in time. HOWEVER they have not said that this would preclude the release of a Minnie AV weapon in that category. As such if the decide to release a Minmatar AV weapon within the "launcher" category then the Mass Driver would then be cast as a different class, like AOE, Territory weapon. They have said that specifically. The MD is only currently a launcher so they don't force themselves to have to make 2 more AV weapons and 3 more weapons. Of course if they added a more designated Minmatar AV weapon, the MD could just be classified as the MInmatar specialist weapon, right? Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.


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