DUST Search - Weapon racial variant categorization

True Adamance wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

I-Shayz-I wrote:

The laser rifle, sniper rifle, and precision rifle are all long-range rifles.
I think that they should all be categorized together.

I think each race won't get a "knife" but instead a melee weapon. CCP wasn't thinking straight when they were talking about racial knives.

Finally, the shotgun and mass driver are both specialty weapons. Shotgun is the only light weapon dedicated to CQC, and mass driver is the only light weapon dedicated to support. Then again it could be argued that the laser/sniper is in fact in the same category as these weapons because they are also specialty weapons good at only one thing.

It also makes sense because we have gallente being short range, minmatar being short-medium, amarr being medium-long, and caldari being long range, in terms of specialty weapons. But then again who knows what the precision rifle will be like, and if the gallente long-range rifle will actually be shorter range than all of them.

If we were to only use information currently in game,
yes the shotgun would be in the Speacilist class.

However based on rumours, concept arts, etc.
I think there is a
AOE class
Shotgun Class
Sniper Class
LMG class.

If we designate the Laser as an LMG, when we look at the minmatar art with the rumoured shotgun, there is also an LMG on the close left.

You don't even know how much the mere concept of an LMG would change my current plans to skill True.

I'd instantly drop scouts in favour of a heavier frame and couple that LMG with a Laser and be the ultimate suppression master.

However right now scouts fit my secondary desired play style.

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8194	Posted - 2014.01.20 00:03:00 - [1] - Quote This thread is for the purpose of categorizing the weapons of Dust 514. Assault rifles G: Assault rifle: C: Rail rifle M: Combat rifle A: Scrambler rifle Pistols G: Ion pistol C: Bolt pistol M: flaylock pistol A: Scrambler pistol SMGs G: ? C: Magsec M: SMG A: ? Sniper rifles G: ? C: Sniper rifle M: precision rifle A: laser rifle? (not sure) Shotguns G: shotgun C: 2nd row, 2nd gun from the left? (not sure) M: Weapon help by the guy on the far right? (not sure) A: Light AV G: Plasma cannon C: Swarm launcher M: ? A: ? Heavy G: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? Other G: ? C: ? M: Mass driver A: laser rifle? (not sure) Some help from CCP would be needed, like clarification of where the laser rifle belongs in. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1609	Posted - 2014.01.20 00:05:00 - [2] - Quote I believe the Mass Driver is in a AOE class, not sure wether laser is designated sniper or not, if it is it needs a horrendus buff. Also that one where you believe you see caldari shotgun, second row, second column I believe to be caldari AOE, third column caldari shotgun. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 270	Posted - 2014.01.20 00:09:00 - [3] - Quote I think technically the LR is a DMR not a Sniper Rifle because of its range and zoom fidelity When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8199	Posted - 2014.01.20 01:29:00 - [4] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: I think technically the LR is a DMR not a Sniper Rifle because of its range and zoom fidelity Would be splitting hairs really, the scrambler rifle for example can qualify as a DMR because of its range and damage, but its still the Amarr racial variant of the assault rifle. Weapons in the same class can behave very differently, so creating sub-categories like DMR doesn't seem like its needed. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 890	Posted - 2014.01.20 01:51:00 - [5] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: I think technically the LR is a DMR not a Sniper Rifle because of its range and zoom fidelity ScR is the true DMR The Sinwarden
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4344	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:03:00 - [6] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Heavy G: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? Really should divide this into Heavy Anti-Infantry and Heavy Anti-Vehicle with only weapon in each (Caldari has AV with Forge and Minmatar has AI with HMG... obviously)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8199	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:08:00 - [7] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Heavy G: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? Really should divide this into Heavy Anti-Infantry and Heavy Anti-Vehicle with only weapon in each (Caldari has AV with Forge and Minmatar has AI with HMG... obviously) The assumption is a bit too speculative for me. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4345	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:16:00 - [8] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Heavy G: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? Really should divide this into Heavy Anti-Infantry and Heavy Anti-Vehicle with only weapon in each (Caldari has AV with Forge and Minmatar has AI with HMG... obviously) The assumption is a bit too speculative for me. What's speculative? That the Forge Gun is primarily intended as AV? That the HMG is a primarily anti-infantry weapon? Or that there will eventually be more than 4 weapons intended for use by non-Commando heavy suits? I think all of those are perfectly reasonable expectations to have for the game.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8203	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:20:00 - [9] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Heavy G: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? Really should divide this into Heavy Anti-Infantry and Heavy Anti-Vehicle with only weapon in each (Caldari has AV with Forge and Minmatar has AI with HMG... obviously) The assumption is a bit too speculative for me. What's speculative? That the Forge Gun is primarily intended as AV? That the HMG is a primarily anti-infantry weapon? Or that there will eventually be more than 4 weapons intended for use by non-Commando heavy suits? I think all of those are perfectly reasonable expectations to have for the game. Yes the forge gun is AV, and the HMG is AI, but there's no reason right now to assume that CCP won't just lump them together in one category. When one race gets both an AI and AV heavy weapons, then I will consider the heavy weapon category split. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5916	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:27:00 - [10] - Quote The Laser rifle is not a sniper rifle for gods sake. Its a unique weapon like the Swarm Launcher and Mass Driver. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8204	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:30:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: The Laser rifle is not a sniper rifle for gods sake. Its a unique weapon like the Swarm Launcher and Mass Driver. Swarm launcher is light AV, just like plasma cannon I never said definitely that the laser rifle was a sniper rifle, only that it might be; weapons of the same type can behave very differently (compare scrambler rifle to AR). I also said it might also be classified as just "other" along with the mass driver. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1401	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:33:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: The Laser rifle is not a sniper rifle for gods sake. Its a unique weapon like the Swarm Launcher and Mass Driver. I think weapons like Laser Rifles have their own class. They don't really resemble anything else in the game, and can't be classed with them. Its an "Other" Weapon. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 417	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:37:00 - [13] - Quote here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C)
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2561	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:44:00 - [14] - Quote I wish they thought about releasing some of these old HMG designs. The digital camo one looks so freaking buff! Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8207	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:49:00 - [15] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) But there is already a Minmatar sniper rifle shown (precision rifle) suggesting the sniper rifle is a weapon class. It could be possible for the shotgun to be a special weapon, but (speculation) some concept art weapons look like they will be new shotguns. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 439	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:51:00 - [16] - Quote This devblog shows only 2 more heavy weapons in the plan, and there was a dev post that said "the Amarr heavy weapon," or some such (but basically it was worded as to be singular and mean only 1 heavy Amarr weapon.) This makes me believe that there will only be 4 heavy weapons, 1 for each race. As to your speculation on what that 2nd by 2nd weapon might be, it just looks like more concept art for the Magsec SMG, as it is very similar to the picture labled such. Here you can type your bio.
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 136	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:53:00 - [17] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) The precision rifle has already been shown though, so I'm pretty sure all the races will get their own sniper rifle. @Kagehosi- I was under the impression that the shotgun was the Gallente's specialist weapon (which by the way I think sounds a bit cleaner for the category than "other" ). Also, that picture you think might be the Minmatar shotgun seems to clearly have an HMG-like rotating multi-barrel design. I'm assuming it was meant to be something like an LMG. But, as you said, different races' weapons in the same category might have drastically different firing mechanics, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. I also recall one of the CPM (Iron Wolf I think) saying a while back that the mass driver was actually the AV/launcher weapon for the Minmatar. But again, far from certain. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 136	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:56:00 - [18] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: This devblog shows only 2 more heavy weapons in the plan, and there was a dev post that said "the Amarr heavy weapon," or some such (but basically it was worded as to be singular and mean only 1 heavy Amarr weapon.) This makes me believe that there will only be 4 heavy weapons, 1 for each race. Well I'm reeeeeally really hoping we get at least 5, so then at least each damage type is covered. But really one AV and one AI would be far preferable. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8207	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:56:00 - [19] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: This devblog shows only 2 more heavy weapons in the plan, and there was a dev post that said "the Amarr heavy weapon," or some such (but basically it was worded as to be singular and mean only 1 heavy Amarr weapon.) This makes me believe that there will only be 4 heavy weapons, 1 for each race. As to your speculation on what that 2nd by 2nd weapon might be, it just looks like more concept art for the Magsec SMG, as it is very similar to the picture labled such. I've considered that, but no other weapon is shown twice in that image, so it seems incorrect to assume that the magsec would be shown twice. Weapons from the same race can look (boringly) similar, like the SMG and combat rifle. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8207	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:02:00 - [20] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) The precision rifle has already been shown though, so I'm pretty sure all the races will get their own sniper rifle. @Kagehosi- I was under the impression that the shotgun was the Gallente's specialist weapon (which by the way I think sounds a bit cleaner for the category than "other" ). Also, that picture you think might be the Minmatar shotgun seems to clearly have an HMG-like rotating multi-barrel design. I'm assuming it was meant to be something like an LMG. But, as you said, different races' weapons in the same category might have drastically different firing mechanics, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. I also recall one of the CPM (Iron Wolf I think) saying a while back that the mass driver was actually the AV/launcher weapon for the Minmatar. But again, far from certain. Updated the OP to say the possibility of the shotgun not being a weapon class. As for mass driver, if its a light AV weapon, its a very bad one. Also, the other light AV weapons all seem to be shoulder-mounted. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1614	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:54:00 - [21] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: I wish they thought about releasing some of these old HMG designs. The digital camo one looks so freaking buff! Thats a T3 weapons system, they are all derived from the same frame. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1614	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:00:00 - [22] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Summ Dude wrote: Greasepalms wrote: here's how I see it. Special Weapons: Mass Driver (M) Laser Rifle (A) Shotgun (G) Sniper (C) The precision rifle has already been shown though, so I'm pretty sure all the races will get their own sniper rifle. @Kagehosi- I was under the impression that the shotgun was the Gallente's specialist weapon (which by the way I think sounds a bit cleaner for the category than "other" ). Also, that picture you think might be the Minmatar shotgun seems to clearly have an HMG-like rotating multi-barrel design. I'm assuming it was meant to be something like an LMG. But, as you said, different races' weapons in the same category might have drastically different firing mechanics, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. I also recall one of the CPM (Iron Wolf I think) saying a while back that the mass driver was actually the AV/launcher weapon for the Minmatar. But again, far from certain. Updated the OP to say the possibility of the shotgun not being a weapon class. As for mass driver, if its a light AV weapon, its a very bad one. Also, the other light AV weapons all seem to be shoulder-mounted. Was going to say this, while it is true that the MD has AV capabilities (no damage penalty against vehicles or installations) it doesn't follow the over the shoulder style of other AV. Pair ths with the description designating it as AI and we are still missing Minmatar AV. Also see my orginal post, I think that grid you show also cintains the caldari shotgun. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 561	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:04:00 - [23] - Quote The PLC might be able to be called a sniper cannon(?) It hits at 200m(cal sr hits to 600) and is near instakill for heavies. Therefore it's sniper/aoe/av classed. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5545	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:05:00 - [24] - Quote Laser Rifle is definitely not in the sniper rifle class. It had iron sights for a while for goodness sake and the range has always been comparable with normal assault rifles (the class). Also if you want to include grenades, A: ? C: AV Grenade G: Flux Grenade M: Locus Grenade Also I'm casting my vote/opinion that the sniper rifle and shotgun are indeed weapon classes and each race will eventually get a version. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2041	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:17:00 - [25] - Quote The laser rifle, sniper rifle, and precision rifle are all long-range rifles. I think that they should all be categorized together. I think each race won't get a "knife" but instead a melee weapon. CCP wasn't thinking straight when they were talking about racial knives. Finally, the shotgun and mass driver are both specialty weapons. Shotgun is the only light weapon dedicated to CQC, and mass driver is the only light weapon dedicated to support. Then again it could be argued that the laser/sniper is in fact in the same category as these weapons because they are also specialty weapons good at only one thing. It also makes sense because we have gallente being short range, minmatar being short-medium, amarr being medium-long, and caldari being long range, in terms of specialty weapons. But then again who knows what the precision rifle will be like, and if the gallente long-range rifle will actually be shorter range than all of them. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1614	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:26:00 - [26] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: The laser rifle, sniper rifle, and precision rifle are all long-range rifles. I think that they should all be categorized together. I think each race won't get a "knife" but instead a melee weapon. CCP wasn't thinking straight when they were talking about racial knives. Finally, the shotgun and mass driver are both specialty weapons. Shotgun is the only light weapon dedicated to CQC, and mass driver is the only light weapon dedicated to support. Then again it could be argued that the laser/sniper is in fact in the same category as these weapons because they are also specialty weapons good at only one thing. It also makes sense because we have gallente being short range, minmatar being short-medium, amarr being medium-long, and caldari being long range, in terms of specialty weapons. But then again who knows what the precision rifle will be like, and if the gallente long-range rifle will actually be shorter range than all of them. If we were to only use information currently in game, yes the shotgun would be in the Speacilist class. However based on rumours, concept arts, etc. I think there is a AOE class Shotgun Class Sniper Class LMG class. If we designate the Laser as an LMG, when we look at the minmatar art with the rumoured shotgun, there is also an LMG on the close left. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5944	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:39:00 - [27] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: The laser rifle, sniper rifle, and precision rifle are all long-range rifles. I think that they should all be categorized together. I think each race won't get a "knife" but instead a melee weapon. CCP wasn't thinking straight when they were talking about racial knives. Finally, the shotgun and mass driver are both specialty weapons. Shotgun is the only light weapon dedicated to CQC, and mass driver is the only light weapon dedicated to support. Then again it could be argued that the laser/sniper is in fact in the same category as these weapons because they are also specialty weapons good at only one thing. It also makes sense because we have gallente being short range, minmatar being short-medium, amarr being medium-long, and caldari being long range, in terms of specialty weapons. But then again who knows what the precision rifle will be like, and if the gallente long-range rifle will actually be shorter range than all of them. If we were to only use information currently in game, yes the shotgun would be in the Speacilist class. However based on rumours, concept arts, etc. I think there is a AOE class Shotgun Class Sniper Class LMG class. If we designate the Laser as an LMG, when we look at the minmatar art with the rumoured shotgun, there is also an LMG on the close left. You don't even know how much the mere concept of an LMG would change my current plans to skill True. I'd instantly drop scouts in favour of a heavier frame and couple that LMG with a Laser and be the ultimate suppression master. However right now scouts fit my secondary desired play style. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1616	Posted - 2014.01.20 11:24:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: The laser rifle, sniper rifle, and precision rifle are all long-range rifles. I think that they should all be categorized together. I think each race won't get a "knife" but instead a melee weapon. CCP wasn't thinking straight when they were talking about racial knives. Finally, the shotgun and mass driver are both specialty weapons. Shotgun is the only light weapon dedicated to CQC, and mass driver is the only light weapon dedicated to support. Then again it could be argued that the laser/sniper is in fact in the same category as these weapons because they are also specialty weapons good at only one thing. It also makes sense because we have gallente being short range, minmatar being short-medium, amarr being medium-long, and caldari being long range, in terms of specialty weapons. But then again who knows what the precision rifle will be like, and if the gallente long-range rifle will actually be shorter range than all of them. If we were to only use information currently in game, yes the shotgun would be in the Speacilist class. However based on rumours, concept arts, etc. I think there is a AOE class Shotgun Class Sniper Class LMG class. If we designate the Laser as an LMG, when we look at the minmatar art with the rumoured shotgun, there is also an LMG on the close left. You don't even know how much the mere concept of an LMG would change my current plans to skill True. I'd instantly drop scouts in favour of a heavier frame and couple that LMG with a Laser and be the ultimate suppression master. However right now scouts fit my secondary desired play style. Why an LMG and an LMG? If we classify the laser as LMG based on low damage, high ROF, large Magazine. You would be more benifical going for a short range weapon. A Minmatar commando wielding the Minmatar Shotgun and Minmatar LMG. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5560	Posted - 2014.01.20 11:27:00 - [29] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Why an LMG and an LMG? If we classify the laser as LMG based on low damage, high ROF, large Magazine. You would be more benifical going for a short range weapon. A Minmatar commando wielding the Minmatar Shotgun and Minmatar LMG. Agreed, the key to success with the Commando is complimenting the effective range of your weapons. Also I never thought of the Laser Rifle as an LMG, but I can definitely see how that could be argued. And since that one concept art shows a Minmatar soldier carrying what looks like an LMG, then all we're missing is the Caldari LMG and Gallente LMG. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1616	Posted - 2014.01.20 11:33:00 - [30] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Why an LMG and an LMG? If we classify the laser as LMG based on low damage, high ROF, large Magazine. You would be more benifical going for a short range weapon. A Minmatar commando wielding the Minmatar Shotgun and Minmatar LMG. Agreed, the key to success with the Commando is complimenting the effective range of your weapons. Also I never thought of the Laser Rifle as an LMG, but I can definitely see how that could be argued. And since that one concept art shows a Minmatar soldier carrying what looks like an LMG, then all we're missing is the Caldari LMG and Gallente LMG. It would make sense, if you consider other FPS titles, the LMG often comparable to the Rifles has much larger magazines. This fits in with laser rifles massive mag capacity, not to mention skilling it up allows for marathons of suppressing fire. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1



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