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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:03:00 -
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This thread is for the purpose of categorizing the weapons of Dust 514.
Assault rifles
G: Assault rifle:
C: Rail rifle
M: Combat rifle
A: Scrambler rifle
Pistols
G: Ion pistol
C: Bolt pistol
M: flaylock pistol
A: Scrambler pistol
SMGs
G: ?
C: Magsec
M: SMG
A: ?
Sniper rifles
G: ?
C: Sniper rifle
M: precision rifle
A: laser rifle? (not sure)
Shotguns
G: shotgun
C: 2nd row, 2nd gun from the left? (not sure)
M: Weapon help by the guy on the far right? (not sure)
A:
Light AV
G: Plasma cannon
C: Swarm launcher
M: ?
A: ?
Heavy
G: ?
C: Forge gun
M: HMG
A: ?
Other
G: ?
C: ?
M: Mass driver
A: laser rifle? (not sure)
Some help from CCP would be needed, like clarification of where the laser rifle belongs in.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:29:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:I think technically the LR is a DMR not a Sniper Rifle because of its range and zoom fidelity
Would be splitting hairs really, the scrambler rifle for example can qualify as a DMR because of its range and damage, but its still the Amarr racial variant of the assault rifle. Weapons in the same class can behave very differently, so creating sub-categories like DMR doesn't seem like its needed.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:08:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Heavy
G: ?
C: Forge gun
M: HMG
A: ? Really should divide this into Heavy Anti-Infantry and Heavy Anti-Vehicle with only weapon in each (Caldari has AV with Forge and Minmatar has AI with HMG... obviously)
The assumption is a bit too speculative for me.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:20:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Heavy
G: ?
C: Forge gun
M: HMG
A: ? Really should divide this into Heavy Anti-Infantry and Heavy Anti-Vehicle with only weapon in each (Caldari has AV with Forge and Minmatar has AI with HMG... obviously) The assumption is a bit too speculative for me. What's speculative? That the Forge Gun is primarily intended as AV? That the HMG is a primarily anti-infantry weapon? Or that there will eventually be more than 4 weapons intended for use by non-Commando heavy suits? I think all of those are perfectly reasonable expectations to have for the game.
Yes the forge gun is AV, and the HMG is AI, but there's no reason right now to assume that CCP won't just lump them together in one category.
When one race gets both an AI and AV heavy weapons, then I will consider the heavy weapon category split.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:30:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:The Laser rifle is not a sniper rifle for gods sake. Its a unique weapon like the Swarm Launcher and Mass Driver.
Swarm launcher is light AV, just like plasma cannon
I never said definitely that the laser rifle was a sniper rifle, only that it might be; weapons of the same type can behave very differently (compare scrambler rifle to AR). I also said it might also be classified as just "other" along with the mass driver.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:49:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:here's how I see it.
Special Weapons:
Mass Driver (M)
Laser Rifle (A)
Shotgun (G)
Sniper (C)
But there is already a Minmatar sniper rifle shown (precision rifle) suggesting the sniper rifle is a weapon class. It could be possible for the shotgun to be a special weapon, but (speculation) some concept art weapons look like they will be new shotguns.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:56:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote:This devblog shows only 2 more heavy weapons in the plan, and there was a dev post that said "the Amarr heavy weapon," or some such (but basically it was worded as to be singular and mean only 1 heavy Amarr weapon.) This makes me believe that there will only be 4 heavy weapons, 1 for each race. As to your speculation on what that 2nd by 2nd weapon might be, it just looks like more concept art for the Magsec SMG, as it is very similar to the picture labled such.
I've considered that, but no other weapon is shown twice in that image, so it seems incorrect to assume that the magsec would be shown twice. Weapons from the same race can look (boringly) similar, like the SMG and combat rifle.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:02:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:Greasepalms wrote:here's how I see it.
Special Weapons:
Mass Driver (M)
Laser Rifle (A)
Shotgun (G)
Sniper (C) The precision rifle has already been shown though, so I'm pretty sure all the races will get their own sniper rifle. @Kagehosi- I was under the impression that the shotgun was the Gallente's specialist weapon (which by the way I think sounds a bit cleaner for the category than "other"  ). Also, that picture you think might be the Minmatar shotgun seems to clearly have an HMG-like rotating multi-barrel design. I'm assuming it was meant to be something like an LMG. But, as you said, different races' weapons in the same category might have drastically different firing mechanics, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. I also recall one of the CPM (Iron Wolf I think) saying a while back that the mass driver was actually the AV/launcher weapon for the Minmatar. But again, far from certain.
Updated the OP to say the possibility of the shotgun not being a weapon class.
As for mass driver, if its a light AV weapon, its a very bad one. Also, the other light AV weapons all seem to be shoulder-mounted.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.05 01:19:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:Just thought I'd leave this here.
Thanks, updated the OP
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.05 01:26:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:I believe the Mass Driver is in a AOE class, not sure wether laser is designated sniper or not, if it is it needs a horrendus buff.
Also that one where you believe you see caldari shotgun,
second row, second column I believe to be caldari AOE, third column caldari shotgun. The laser for what it is does not make sense as a sniper rifle, as I cannot be used effectively in the role required of a sniper. Since snipers need to remain hidden....the laser thows that **** out the window.....
You may be interested in that CCP confirmed mass driver is a "launcher" class weapon, and shares the same class with the plasma cannon and swarm launcher. I think I spotted the Amarr launcher as well.
Also, names of the Gallente and Amarr heavy weapons have been revealed.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:59:00 -
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Quite a few places left to be filled
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.22 23:07:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:mismia grenade (from what I heard is akin to a flashbang) is probably Amarr.
Not sure if they're still planning that, but worth putting on the list as a possibility.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.22 23:22:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:mismia grenade (from what I heard is akin to a flashbang) is probably Amarr. Not sure if they're still planning that, but worth putting on the list as a possibility. I thought it was more like a smoke bomb though. flashbangs are essiently modern day smoke bombs, just with a limited range Anyways, looked up mismia, and found out that we're probably both wrong; mismia grenade would be a poison grenade. NOW it makes even more sense, because we all knows Amarr is perfectly fine with poisoning people.
I've considered that, but we're wearing air-tight suits with their own life-support systems covered in shields and armor; I don't see how poisonous gas would do anything.
Miasma is poison (though not necessarily in all definition), but always in a gas state, so I still think its going to be something gassy like smoke.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.22 23:27:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:mismia grenade (from what I heard is akin to a flashbang) is probably Amarr. Not sure if they're still planning that, but worth putting on the list as a possibility. I thought it was more like a smoke bomb though. flashbangs are essiently modern day smoke bombs, just with a limited range Anyways, looked up mismia, and found out that we're probably both wrong; mismia grenade would be a poison grenade. NOW it makes even more sense, because we all knows Amarr is perfectly fine with poisoning people. I've considered that, but we're wearing air-tight suits with their own life-support systems covered in shields and armor; I don't see how poisonous gas would do anything. Miasma is poison (though not necessarily in all definition), but always in a gas state, so I still think its going to be something gassy like smoke. I heard miassma will be an EMP mist, you will get electrical problems while in the grenades smoke.
That would be cool
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.22 23:45:00 -
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Galthur wrote:Scrambler Lance and Plasma Mortar where both CCP Logibro 'trolling' in IRC.
That post is actually a troll post in itself as he decided to make it after Logibro admitted both were't real.
I would suggest putting a ? in their place.
That's depressing
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.02.23 17:28:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Greasepalms wrote:here's how I see it.
Special Weapons:
Mass Driver (M)
Laser Rifle (A)
Shotgun (G)
Sniper (C) Mass driver is the minmatar launcher Plasma cannon is the gallente launcher Swarm lancher is the caldari launcher So far CCP may decide to release an AV Min lsuncher, which wiuld cast the MD into s new class.
The way I see it, not all launchers need to be AV, it would be cool if the precision rifle was AV (like an anti-tank rifle) IMO. I do think the MD should do full damage against vehicles though.
If the Minmatar has 2 launcher weapons, I will go OCD.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.03.11 20:31:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:LOL, People try so hard to make people think the Forge Gun is a AV weapon. Keep trying cupcake.
I said its a heavy weapon, I don't know what you're talking about. Considering it does full damage against vehicles (which only AV weapons do), yes, it is AV. The fact that it is also effective against infantry in no way disqualifies it from being AV.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:07:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Greasepalms wrote:here's how I see it.
Special Weapons:
Mass Driver (M)
Laser Rifle (A)
Shotgun (G)
Sniper (C) Mass driver is the minmatar launcher Plasma cannon is the gallente launcher Swarm lancher is the caldari launcher So far CCP may decide to release an AV Min lsuncher, which wiuld cast the MD into s new class. The way I see it, not all launchers need to be AV, it would be cool if the precision rifle was AV (like an anti-tank rifle) IMO. I do think the MD should do full damage against vehicles though. If the Minmatar has 2 launcher weapons, I will go OCD. Sorry was on Tablet CCP have said Mass Driver goes into the "Launcher" Category at this point in time. HOWEVER they have not said that this would preclude the release of a Minnie AV weapon in that category. As such if the decide to release a Minmatar AV weapon within the "launcher" category then the Mass Driver would then be cast as a different class, like AOE, Territory weapon. They have said that specifically. The MD is only currently a launcher so they don't force themselves to have to make 2 more AV weapons and 3 more launchers.
I hope they indeed reclassify it if they add a new Minmatar launcher, but I doubt they will just to annoy me. Much like even after having 4 assault rifles, they still call the Gallente one "assault rifle". It would just be one of many little things to annoy me in Dust.
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