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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1060
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:44:00 -
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In the following scenarios...
1. Dropship vs HAV
2. Dropship vs AV
3. Dropship vs Infantry
4. HAV vs AV
5. HAV vs Infantry
6. AV vs Infantry
Assuming reasonably competent players on both sides.
And by "who should win" I mean for the game to feel "right" to you; I'm not asking who you think would win with the current game setup.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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T'orq
DUST University
Ivy League
157
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:47:00 -
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1. 50/50
2. 50/50
3. Dropship
4. 50/50
5. HAV
6. 25/75
Thanjac-
Proud Member of Commando 6
ARC Instructor
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
504
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:48:00 -
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T'orq wrote:1. 50/50
2. 50/50
3. Dropship
4. 50/50
5. HAV
6. 25/75
So infantry almost always loses? |
Eurydice Itzhak
Providence Guard
Templis CALSF
339
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:54:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:T'orq wrote:1. 50/50
2. 50/50
3. Dropship
4. 50/50
5. HAV
6. 25/75 So infantry almost always loses?
Still the only unit that can cap points and win games. |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1060
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:56:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:T'orq wrote:1. 50/50
2. 50/50
3. Dropship
4. 50/50
5. HAV
6. 25/75 So infantry almost always loses?
So what do you think it should be then?
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
505
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:57:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:P14GU3 wrote:T'orq wrote:1. 50/50
2. 50/50
3. Dropship
4. 50/50
5. HAV
6. 25/75 So infantry almost always loses? Still the only unit that can cap points and win games.
So the only reason i should play this game is to hack points? Guess i should spec into scouts then  |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
7935
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:57:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:P14GU3 wrote:T'orq wrote:1. 50/50
2. 50/50
3. Dropship
4. 50/50
5. HAV
6. 25/75 So infantry almost always loses? Still the only unit that can cap points and win games.
Yeah, I wish we could just spawn in with 16 tanks and only bother getting out in a speedhack fit for the occasional point.
Level 7 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1060
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:59:00 -
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C'mon guys, try answering the question. Please?
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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Tectonic Fusion
976
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:01:00 -
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I think head on tanks should be able to kill just about anything. Also it depends on which weapon is used. A railgun tank should beat a dropship, but a blaster tank should lose against a missile dropship.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
507
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:02:00 -
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Dropship should have advantage over blaster/missile hav, blaster hav over infantry, rail over dropship, av should have an advantage over all vehicles, and infantry over all AV |
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Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
349
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:02:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:P14GU3 wrote:T'orq wrote:1. 50/50
2. 50/50
3. Dropship
4. 50/50
5. HAV
6. 25/75 So infantry almost always loses? Still the only unit that can cap points and win games.
This statement has and will continue to be a lie. You actually will be WAY more effective at taking most objectives as a HAV driverr and here is why.
1) Use HAV to clear objective
2) Jump out of HAV in min-logi suit (with tones of codebrekers on) and hack whatever in >4 seconds
3) Jump back in HAV
4) Goto 1)
There you go, you are wy more mobile, invulnerable to 80% of foot-soldier weapons, can clear an objective solo, and can sacrifice all tank on your dropsuit in order to hack an objective faster than anyone else can.
While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
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T'orq
DUST University
Ivy League
158
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:08:00 -
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What I meant about 25/75 is AV wins 25% over infantry and infantry win 75% over AV
* or should, depending if AV have a sidearm
Thanjac-
Proud Member of Commando 6
ARC Instructor
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1061
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:09:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:I think head on tanks should be able to kill just about anything. Also it depends on which weapon is used. A railgun tank should beat a dropship, but a blaster tank should lose against a missile dropship.
So what should beat a railgun tank, 1v1? Nothing?
Also, AV vs dropships? I presume AV vs infantry is fairly obvious.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
3730
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:09:00 -
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1. Dropship vs HAV = 50/50 (situational)
2. Dropship vs AV = AV
3. Dropship vs Infantry = Dropship
4. HAV vs AV = AV
5. HAV vs Infantry = HAV
6. AV vs Infantry = Infantry
My opinion here....
This makes the Paper, rock, scissor thingieh work:
AV > Vehicle > infantry > AV
While vehicles are 50/50 among them.
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1061
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:10:00 -
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T'orq wrote:What I meant about 25/75 is AV wins 25% over infantry and infantry win 75% over AV
* or should, depending if AV have a sidearm
Yep, I figured that's what you meant.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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Aqil Aegivan
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
272
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:16:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:C'mon guys, try answering the question. Please?
Can't.
You omitted HAV vs HAV. While AV is less effective vs tanks than other tanks the game stays broken. Well, either that or CCP implements additional controls or tank deployment, etc. |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1061
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:19:00 -
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Aqil Aegivan wrote:R F Gyro wrote:C'mon guys, try answering the question. Please? Can't. You omitted HAV vs HAV. While AV is less effective vs tanks than other tanks the game stays broken. Well, either that or CCP implements additional controls or tank deployment, etc.
All else being equal, HAV vs HAV would be 50/50, surely?
And I did say
Quote:And by "who should win" I mean for the game to feel "right" to you; I'm not asking who you think would win with the current game setup.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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Gemini Reynolds
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
142
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:30:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:In the following scenarios...
1. Dropship vs HAV
2. Dropship vs AV
3. Dropship vs Infantry
4. HAV vs AV
5. HAV vs Infantry
6. AV vs Infantry
Assuming reasonably competent players on both sides.
And by "who should win" I mean for the game to feel "right" to you; I'm not asking who you think would win with the current game setup.
1) Dropship
2) AV
3) Dropship
4) AV
5) HAV
6) Infantry |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1362
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:38:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:I think head on tanks should be able to kill just about anything. Also it depends on which weapon is used. A railgun tank should beat a dropship, but a blaster tank should lose against a missile dropship. So what should beat a railgun tank, 1v1? Nothing? Also, AV vs dropships? I presume AV vs infantry is fairly obvious.
Forgeguns, railgun drop ships, and other rail tanks should be the natural predators of rail tanks. Just remove the redline, and you would see ADSs killing them a lot more often. Heck, if you removed the redline, blaster tanks would roll over rail tanks as well...
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Scheneighnay McBob
Learning Coalition College
3600
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:39:00 -
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Depends on the crews and the fittings, really.
With optimal stuff:
1. Dropship
2. Dropship
3. Dropship
4. HAV
5. HAV
6.Infantry
With bare minimum stuff
1. HAV
2. AV
3. Dropship
4. HAV (we're saying 1 AVer, right?)
5. HAV
6. Infantry
To add a few things:
An LAV should be able to eventually destroy a rail HAV (by speed tanking)
LAV vs dropship should be 50/50 (1 well-placed turret versus several not-so-well-placed ones)
A lone AVer vs an LAV should be 50/50
Multiple AVers should easily down an LAV
We used to have a time machine
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Aqil Aegivan
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
272
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:40:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:All else being equal, HAV vs HAV would be 50/50, surely?
Fair enough, I thought I'd join in the indirect point making fun. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
1227
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:40:00 -
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Waaaait a second.
So some of you are suggesting that essentially, a tank coming up against two AVers should basically be instagibbed?
I would think that a 50/50 in 1v1 is about right, considering that it 's kind of important to actually give the driver a chance to get away.
You know, the same reason all the scouts hate the 'physical impulses' thing.
PRO tanker and proud.
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1061
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:42:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Waaaait a second.
So some of you are suggesting that essentially, a tank coming up against two AVers should basically be instagibbed?
I would think that a 50/50 in 1v1 is about right, considering that it 's kind of important to actually give the driver a chance to get away.
You know, the same reason all the scouts hate the 'physical impulses' thing.
So what are your answers to the questions then?
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1061
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:43:00 -
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Aqil Aegivan wrote:R F Gyro wrote:All else being equal, HAV vs HAV would be 50/50, surely? Fair enough, I thought I'd join in the indirect point making fun.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
531
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:47:00 -
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Here's how the food chain should be:
Jets>Gunship>HAV> Dropship=MAV=LAV> Infantry
AV should have chance against all. Not all can attack the other, infantry cannot hurt HAVs and jets hardly hurt individual infantry.
I realize that most of these are not in the game but a man cab dream. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1362
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:55:00 -
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1.Blasters lose to Assault Dropships which are equal to Missiles which loses to Railguns
2. Swarms will scare 'em away, but a hit from a Forge/Placon should send them into the ground... or at least scuttling away.
3. Dropship
4. 1v1. Should be difficult but possible for the AV, and scary for the HAV, but in the end the HAV will probably win and retreat for a few.
5. Blasters should be alright at killing infantry, Missiles should take luck, and Railguns should take a bit of skill, but the infantry should have time to get to cover and survive, unless they are in the middle of a field.
6. Sidearms are actually quite good. I would say the AV should lose most of the time because they are usually hit from behind and by surprise, but if they are aware and prepared for an attack, they should have a good chance at winning the conflict.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
1647
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Posted - 2014.01.18 02:52:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:
1. Dropship vs HAV = 50/50 (situational)
2. Dropship vs AV = AV
3. Dropship vs Infantry = Dropship
4. HAV vs AV = AV
5. HAV vs Infantry = HAV
6. AV vs Infantry = Infantry
My opinion here....
This makes the Paper, rock, scissor thingieh work:
AV > Vehicle > infantry > AV
While vehicles are 50/50 among them.
so are u and atiim a thing, now?
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3593
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Posted - 2014.01.18 03:00:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:
Still the only unit that can cap points and win games.
Doesn't make a difference when you only have 150 clones.
And that doesn't constitute a win button.
I'm bored.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3593
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Posted - 2014.01.18 03:05:00 -
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1. Depends on the situation
2. AV
3. Dropship.
4. AV
5. HAV
6. Infantry.
Dropship GëÑ HAV > AV > Infantry. ~ Follows the Rock, Paper, Scissors methods while also allowing everything to excel at being it's designed counter(s)
I'm bored.
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