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R F Gyro Clones 4u 1060	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:44:00 - [1] - Quote In the following scenarios... 1. Dropship vs HAV 2. Dropship vs AV 3. Dropship vs Infantry 4. HAV vs AV 5. HAV vs Infantry 6. AV vs Infantry Assuming reasonably competent players on both sides. And by "who should win" I mean for the game to feel "right" to you; I'm not asking who you think would win with the current game setup. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 157	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:47:00 - [2] - Quote 1. 50/50 2. 50/50 3. Dropship 4. 50/50 5. HAV 6. 25/75 Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 ARC Instructor
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 504	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:48:00 - [3] - Quote T'orq wrote: 1. 50/50 2. 50/50 3. Dropship 4. 50/50 5. HAV 6. 25/75 So infantry almost always loses?
Eurydice Itzhak Providence Guard Templis CALSF 339	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:54:00 - [4] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: T'orq wrote: 1. 50/50 2. 50/50 3. Dropship 4. 50/50 5. HAV 6. 25/75 So infantry almost always loses? Still the only unit that can cap points and win games.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1060	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:56:00 - [5] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: T'orq wrote: 1. 50/50 2. 50/50 3. Dropship 4. 50/50 5. HAV 6. 25/75 So infantry almost always loses? So what do you think it should be then? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 505	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:57:00 - [6] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: P14GU3 wrote: T'orq wrote: 1. 50/50 2. 50/50 3. Dropship 4. 50/50 5. HAV 6. 25/75 So infantry almost always loses? Still the only unit that can cap points and win games. So the only reason i should play this game is to hack points? Guess i should spec into scouts then
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7935	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:57:00 - [7] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: P14GU3 wrote: T'orq wrote: 1. 50/50 2. 50/50 3. Dropship 4. 50/50 5. HAV 6. 25/75 So infantry almost always loses? Still the only unit that can cap points and win games. Yeah, I wish we could just spawn in with 16 tanks and only bother getting out in a speedhack fit for the occasional point. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1060	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:59:00 - [8] - Quote C'mon guys, try answering the question. Please? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Tectonic Fusion 976	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:01:00 - [9] - Quote I think head on tanks should be able to kill just about anything. Also it depends on which weapon is used. A railgun tank should beat a dropship, but a blaster tank should lose against a missile dropship. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 507	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:02:00 - [10] - Quote Dropship should have advantage over blaster/missile hav, blaster hav over infantry, rail over dropship, av should have an advantage over all vehicles, and infantry over all AV

Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 349	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:02:00 - [11] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: P14GU3 wrote: T'orq wrote: 1. 50/50 2. 50/50 3. Dropship 4. 50/50 5. HAV 6. 25/75 So infantry almost always loses? Still the only unit that can cap points and win games. This statement has and will continue to be a lie. You actually will be WAY more effective at taking most objectives as a HAV driverr and here is why. 1) Use HAV to clear objective 2) Jump out of HAV in min-logi suit (with tones of codebrekers on) and hack whatever in >4 seconds 3) Jump back in HAV 4) Goto 1) There you go, you are wy more mobile, invulnerable to 80% of foot-soldier weapons, can clear an objective solo, and can sacrifice all tank on your dropsuit in order to hack an objective faster than anyone else can. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 158	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:08:00 - [12] - Quote What I meant about 25/75 is AV wins 25% over infantry and infantry win 75% over AV * or should, depending if AV have a sidearm Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 ARC Instructor
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1061	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:09:00 - [13] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: I think head on tanks should be able to kill just about anything. Also it depends on which weapon is used. A railgun tank should beat a dropship, but a blaster tank should lose against a missile dropship. So what should beat a railgun tank, 1v1? Nothing? Also, AV vs dropships? I presume AV vs infantry is fairly obvious. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3730	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:09:00 - [14] - Quote 1. Dropship vs HAV = 50/50 (situational) 2. Dropship vs AV = AV 3. Dropship vs Infantry = Dropship 4. HAV vs AV = AV 5. HAV vs Infantry = HAV 6. AV vs Infantry = Infantry My opinion here.... This makes the Paper, rock, scissor thingieh work: AV > Vehicle > infantry > AV While vehicles are 50/50 among them. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1061	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:10:00 - [15] - Quote T'orq wrote: What I meant about 25/75 is AV wins 25% over infantry and infantry win 75% over AV * or should, depending if AV have a sidearm Yep, I figured that's what you meant. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 272	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:16:00 - [16] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: C'mon guys, try answering the question. Please? Can't. You omitted HAV vs HAV. While AV is less effective vs tanks than other tanks the game stays broken. Well, either that or CCP implements additional controls or tank deployment, etc.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1061	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:19:00 - [17] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: R F Gyro wrote: C'mon guys, try answering the question. Please? Can't. You omitted HAV vs HAV. While AV is less effective vs tanks than other tanks the game stays broken. Well, either that or CCP implements additional controls or tank deployment, etc. All else being equal, HAV vs HAV would be 50/50, surely? And I did say Quote: And by "who should win" I mean for the game to feel "right" to you; I'm not asking who you think would win with the current game setup. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 142	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:30:00 - [18] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: In the following scenarios... 1. Dropship vs HAV 2. Dropship vs AV 3. Dropship vs Infantry 4. HAV vs AV 5. HAV vs Infantry 6. AV vs Infantry Assuming reasonably competent players on both sides. And by "who should win" I mean for the game to feel "right" to you; I'm not asking who you think would win with the current game setup. 1) Dropship 2) AV 3) Dropship 4) AV 5) HAV 6) Infantry
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1362	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:38:00 - [19] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: I think head on tanks should be able to kill just about anything. Also it depends on which weapon is used. A railgun tank should beat a dropship, but a blaster tank should lose against a missile dropship. So what should beat a railgun tank, 1v1? Nothing? Also, AV vs dropships? I presume AV vs infantry is fairly obvious. Forgeguns, railgun drop ships, and other rail tanks should be the natural predators of rail tanks. Just remove the redline, and you would see ADSs killing them a lot more often. Heck, if you removed the redline, blaster tanks would roll over rail tanks as well... Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3600	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:39:00 - [20] - Quote Depends on the crews and the fittings, really. With optimal stuff: 1. Dropship 2. Dropship 3. Dropship 4. HAV 5. HAV 6.Infantry With bare minimum stuff 1. HAV 2. AV 3. Dropship 4. HAV (we're saying 1 AVer, right?) 5. HAV 6. Infantry To add a few things: An LAV should be able to eventually destroy a rail HAV (by speed tanking) LAV vs dropship should be 50/50 (1 well-placed turret versus several not-so-well-placed ones) A lone AVer vs an LAV should be 50/50 Multiple AVers should easily down an LAV We used to have a time machine

Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 272	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:40:00 - [21] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: All else being equal, HAV vs HAV would be 50/50, surely? Fair enough, I thought I'd join in the indirect point making fun.
Lorhak Gannarsein 1227	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:40:00 - [22] - Quote Waaaait a second. So some of you are suggesting that essentially, a tank coming up against two AVers should basically be instagibbed? I would think that a 50/50 in 1v1 is about right, considering that it 's kind of important to actually give the driver a chance to get away. You know, the same reason all the scouts hate the 'physical impulses' thing. PRO tanker and proud.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1061	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:42:00 - [23] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Waaaait a second. So some of you are suggesting that essentially, a tank coming up against two AVers should basically be instagibbed? I would think that a 50/50 in 1v1 is about right, considering that it 's kind of important to actually give the driver a chance to get away. You know, the same reason all the scouts hate the 'physical impulses' thing. So what are your answers to the questions then? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1061	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:43:00 - [24] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: R F Gyro wrote: All else being equal, HAV vs HAV would be 50/50, surely? Fair enough, I thought I'd join in the indirect point making fun. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 531	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:47:00 - [25] - Quote Here's how the food chain should be: Jets>Gunship>HAV> Dropship=MAV=LAV> Infantry AV should have chance against all. Not all can attack the other, infantry cannot hurt HAVs and jets hardly hurt individual infantry. I realize that most of these are not in the game but a man cab dream.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1362	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:55:00 - [26] - Quote 1.Blasters lose to Assault Dropships which are equal to Missiles which loses to Railguns 2. Swarms will scare 'em away, but a hit from a Forge/Placon should send them into the ground... or at least scuttling away. 3. Dropship 4. 1v1. Should be difficult but possible for the AV, and scary for the HAV, but in the end the HAV will probably win and retreat for a few. 5. Blasters should be alright at killing infantry, Missiles should take luck, and Railguns should take a bit of skill, but the infantry should have time to get to cover and survive, unless they are in the middle of a field. 6. Sidearms are actually quite good. I would say the AV should lose most of the time because they are usually hit from behind and by surprise, but if they are aware and prepared for an attack, they should have a good chance at winning the conflict. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1647	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:52:00 - [27] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1. Dropship vs HAV = 50/50 (situational) 2. Dropship vs AV = AV 3. Dropship vs Infantry = Dropship 4. HAV vs AV = AV 5. HAV vs Infantry = HAV 6. AV vs Infantry = Infantry My opinion here.... This makes the Paper, rock, scissor thingieh work: AV > Vehicle > infantry > AV While vehicles are 50/50 among them. so are u and atiim a thing, now? Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3593	Posted - 2014.01.18 03:00:00 - [28] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Still the only unit that can cap points and win games. Doesn't make a difference when you only have 150 clones. And that doesn't constitute a win button. I'm bored.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3593	Posted - 2014.01.18 03:05:00 - [29] - Quote 1. Depends on the situation 2. AV 3. Dropship. 4. AV 5. HAV 6. Infantry. Dropship GëÑ HAV > AV > Infantry. ~ Follows the Rock, Paper, Scissors methods while also allowing everything to excel at being it's designed counter(s) I'm bored.


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