DUST Search - Caldari Sentinel! +1 CCP

bolsh lee wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

M McManus wrote:

Oh noes 1 recharge delay.... Shields working as intended on a suit/race that's supposed to be shield dependant and everyone starts to cry about it..

FFS the armor fanboys need to give it a break, shields have been under powered for months and I really hope CCP mimics the 1 delay to Caldari Assault suits so people can actually realize there are flux grenades in this game.. And shields could maybe serve a purpose, that is, other then the contrary to armor fanboy beliefs "shields are only made for long ranges"....

Thank you CCP, hold to your guns on this..

Ps: fix kb/m

Apparently someone forgot there are Locus Grenades in this game.

The difference being that locus do significantly less damage than flux grenades do. They are also capable of outright killing someone, where flux is not.

Don't get me wrong, there are lots of explosive weapons that **** up armor, that's why the flux is so strong because it is a balancing mechanic.

I've been pro shields for awhile and the locus grenade argument is kinda ridiculous if Locus grenades ONLY took Armor and left armor tankers with their dismal shields, then sure it makes sense, but Locus Grenades do a **** ton of damage to both...

ESpecially if shields are already gone via an insta melt flux nade... So throw an armor style flux nade in there (napalm nade?) and let me shoot your cloth like shields, this is what us shield tankers feel like when we aren't omni tanking.. I agree with OP maybe not 1sec but depleted delay needsto be low because of first line of defense and flux nades...

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NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 130	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:41:00 - [31] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 1 second shield recharge would basically mean perma-recharge. With a single energizer you'd be able to take the regen of the sentinel up to over 50 HP/s, while having strong resistances and being able to stack extenders. So yeah. If you can survive long enough.. shields dont recharge under fire. Once the shell is broken that big suit is dead. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8013	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:45:00 - [32] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 1 second shield recharge would basically mean perma-recharge. With a single energizer you'd be able to take the regen of the sentinel up to over 50 HP/s, while having strong resistances and being able to stack extenders. So yeah. If you can survive long enough.. shields dont recharge under fire. Once the shell is broken that big suit is dead. No, because with a 1 second recharge delay the recharge delay would be complete before the recharge tick. Thus, you would recharge at every tick. Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 265	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:47:00 - [33] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 1 second shield recharge would basically mean perma-recharge. With a single energizer you'd be able to take the regen of the sentinel up to over 50 HP/s, while having strong resistances and being able to stack extenders. So yeah. If you can survive long enough.. shields dont recharge under fire. Once the shell is broken that big suit is dead. Not entirely it still has 400+ armor with core skills at LVL5 so it's not that easy to kill once shields are down. When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:54:00 - [34] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 1 second shield recharge would basically mean perma-recharge. With a single energizer you'd be able to take the regen of the sentinel up to over 50 HP/s, while having strong resistances and being able to stack extenders. So yeah. If you can survive long enough.. shields dont recharge under fire. Once the shell is broken that big suit is dead. Not entirely it still has 400+ armor with core skills at LVL5 so it's not that easy to kill once shields are down. I doubt it will have that much armor and 400 armor is lol
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 265	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:57:00 - [35] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 1 second shield recharge would basically mean perma-recharge. With a single energizer you'd be able to take the regen of the sentinel up to over 50 HP/s, while having strong resistances and being able to stack extenders. So yeah. If you can survive long enough.. shields dont recharge under fire. Once the shell is broken that big suit is dead. Not entirely it still has 400+ armor with core skills at LVL5 so it's not that easy to kill once shields are down. I doubt it will have that much armor and 400 armor is lol Lets see http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitsuprising18.jpg it has a proposed base armor of 390 sooooo if my math is correct with LVL5 core skill that's 487.5 armor not bad considering your one low slot will probably be an armor repr When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 55	Posted - 2014.01.19 01:56:00 - [36] - Quote We need god damn shield reapir modules and shield repair hives! We need parity with armour just like we do in eve.
Righteous Rage BIG BAD W0LVES 56	Posted - 2014.01.19 01:58:00 - [37] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: The 1 second depletion delay is obviously wrong, as depletion delay is always longer that natural recharge delay. I'd expect a value of 6 seconds. Regardless, 4 seconds really is not THAT long, and the Caldari heavy needs that in order to sustain its HP. Keep in mind that even with the Sentinel bonus, the Caldari Heavy is going to take around 106% damage from laser weapons and even with 25% reduction to splash damage, a single flux grenade is going to wipe out its main line of defense. The CHeavy needs to be more focused on rapidly regenerating its shield HP and not so much on buffer like an armor heavy would. you will see a new Fotm cal heavy with RR. "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
Righteous Rage BIG BAD W0LVES 57	Posted - 2014.01.19 01:59:00 - [38] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: We need god damn shield reapir modules and shield repair hives! We need parity with armour just like we do in eve. your suit repairs shields on its own. I would love a built in armor repper with the same reps per second. "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 265	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:01:00 - [39] - Quote Righteous Rage wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: The 1 second depletion delay is obviously wrong, as depletion delay is always longer that natural recharge delay. I'd expect a value of 6 seconds. Regardless, 4 seconds really is not THAT long, and the Caldari heavy needs that in order to sustain its HP. Keep in mind that even with the Sentinel bonus, the Caldari Heavy is going to take around 106% damage from laser weapons and even with 25% reduction to splash damage, a single flux grenade is going to wipe out its main line of defense. The CHeavy needs to be more focused on rapidly regenerating its shield HP and not so much on buffer like an armor heavy would. you will see a new Fotm cal heavy with RR. I was thinking more along the lines of Breach forge gunners with four damage mods one shot-ing dropships.......but that works to When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 248	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:40:00 - [40] - Quote M McManus wrote: Oh noes 1 recharge delay.... Shields working as intended on a suit/race that's supposed to be shield dependant and everyone starts to cry about it.. FFS the armor fanboys need to give it a break, shields have been under powered for months and I really hope CCP mimics the 1 delay to Caldari Assault suits so people can actually realize there are flux grenades in this game.. And shields could maybe serve a purpose, that is, other then the contrary to armor fanboy beliefs "shields are only made for long ranges".... Thank you CCP, hold to your guns on this.. Ps: fix kb/m The very sad part is Shields were OP for over 8 months. Ill throw a flux at you and keep shooting so you cant regen shields. I cant wait to see all the caldari heavys come out and a flux eat them up. I always run flux so this wont be a problem for me. Another thing is the caldari heavy might be good for pubs but they will suck in PC due to flux spam and core spam. Open Beta Fed 16th 2013. Scout fix + Heavy suits + Heavy guns = soonGäó

Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4497	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:42:00 - [41] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: EDIT: Silly me, still says 1 sec. But I still think its ridiculous. One Flux grenade drops all that shield, and then you tear through the armor instantly. Recharge being that low is the ONLY way to make a shield-focused Sentinel viable with the existence of Flux grenades. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3625	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:43:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Sorry guys, but I do think it's a typo. We'll try to get the actual number for you guys soon. "The correct value was really 0.1; glad that's cleared up" We used to have a time machine
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 248	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:43:00 - [43] - Quote Goric Rumis wrote: Not that ridiculous, actually. It gives them a dead cat bounce if they get hit by a flux. You have to press them immediately if you flux them or they start regenerating. The only thing I'm worried about is players throwing on modules to lower it even further. Some weapons have a low enough rate of fire that the suit could get a cycle between each hit. Maybe that's the idea, that you don't go up against a Caldari Sentinel with a shotgun, but it seems like there's a potential problem there. Thats why they only have 1 low slot. Open Beta Fed 16th 2013. Scout fix + Heavy suits + Heavy guns = soonGäó
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 265	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:53:00 - [44] - Quote Everyone on this thread dose know its the DEPLETED shield Recharge delay that's 1 sec right? The regular shield recharge delay is 4 seconds When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4683	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:58:00 - [45] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: M McManus wrote: Oh noes 1 recharge delay.... Shields working as intended on a suit/race that's supposed to be shield dependant and everyone starts to cry about it.. FFS the armor fanboys need to give it a break, shields have been under powered for months and I really hope CCP mimics the 1 delay to Caldari Assault suits so people can actually realize there are flux grenades in this game.. And shields could maybe serve a purpose, that is, other then the contrary to armor fanboy beliefs "shields are only made for long ranges".... Thank you CCP, hold to your guns on this.. Ps: fix kb/m Apparently someone forgot there are Locus Grenades in this game. The difference being that locus do significantly less damage than flux grenades do. They are also capable of outright killing someone, where flux is not. Don't get me wrong, there are lots of explosive weapons that ** up armor, that's why the flux is so strong because it is a balancing mechanic. I've been pro shields for awhile and the locus grenade argument is kinda ridiculous if Locus grenades ONLY took Armor and left armor tankers with their dismal shields, then sure it makes sense, but Locus Grenades do a ** ton of damage to both... ESpecially if shields are already gone via an insta melt flux nade... So throw an armor style flux nade in there (napalm nade?) and let me shoot your cloth like shields, this is what us shield tankers feel like when we aren't omni tanking.. I agree with OP maybe not 1sec but depleted delay needsto be low because of first line of defense and flux nades... Bear in mind that this is a Sentinel, which gets a reduction in splash damage as it is. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 411	Posted - 2014.01.19 10:27:00 - [46] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: The CHeavy... It hits like a truck! Here you can type your bio.
Blaze Ashra DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 139	Posted - 2014.01.19 10:47:00 - [47] - Quote Zekain K wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Sorry guys, but I do think it's a typo. We'll try to get the actual number for you guys soon. NO NO NO DONT NERF US!!!! They're buffing you into existance ADS Pilot/Amarr Loyalist/Logi/WP Whore
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 13	Posted - 2014.01.19 10:49:00 - [48] - Quote Blaze Ashra wrote: Zekain K wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Sorry guys, but I do think it's a typo. We'll try to get the actual number for you guys soon. NO NO NO DONT NERF US!!!! They're buffing you into existance Better be low delay beca6se, anything higher than two is too much
Squagga The State Protectorate 20	Posted - 2014.01.19 11:53:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Sorry guys, but I do think it's a typo. We'll try to get the actual number for you guys soon. Crap .. Just when things was lookin up Reloading, the silent killer.
Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 155	Posted - 2014.01.19 11:56:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Sorry guys, but I do think it's a typo. We'll try to get the actual number for you guys soon. cant u ever do something right? this is ur fukin job. you get $ for it so be damn professional and check your sh*t before you post it. Damn morons

Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 229	Posted - 2014.01.19 12:04:00 - [51] - Quote The one thing ppl kind of forgets when they say armor is better then shields is that shields regenerates but armor needs a logibro or something to help the armour guy to keep up. That one thing makes gives shield users advantage over armour. The advantage armour gets is better raw base hp but non ( or almost non ) regen by default. So 4 me it looks quite balanced to be honest War never changes
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 416	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:12:00 - [52] - Quote Shadow of War88 wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Sorry guys, but I do think it's a typo. We'll try to get the actual number for you guys soon. cant u ever do something right? this is ur fukin job. you get $ for it so be damn professional and check your sht before you post it. Damn morons Damn, this one is raging at clerical errors in pre-release datadumps too. Boot up Shadow of War89. Let's try again.* Here you can type your bio.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 2173	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:27:00 - [53] - Quote 4 seconds delay, 10 seconds depleted delay. They probably forgot a 0. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 266	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:33:00 - [54] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: 4 seconds delay, 10 seconds depleted delay. They probably forgot a 0. I hope not The Gallente and Minmatar have a 6 second depleted recharge delay Amarr has a 5 second depleted recharge delay that is equal to its regular shield recharge delay I'm hoping that CCP wouldn't give the primary shield heavy the worst depleted shield recharge delay....then again it is CCP When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Mortedeamor 1252	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:36:00 - [55] - Quote M McManus wrote: Oh noes 1 recharge delay.... Shields working as intended on a suit/race that's supposed to be shield dependant and everyone starts to cry about it.. FFS the armor fanboys need to give it a break, shields have been under powered for months and I really hope CCP mimics the 1 delay to Caldari Assault suits so people can actually realize there are flux grenades in this game.. And shields could maybe serve a purpose, that is, other then the contrary to armor fanboy beliefs "shields are only made for long ranges".... Thank you CCP, hold to your guns on this.. Ps: fix kb/m if they were to do that to the other shield tanked suits then they would need to do something to prevent them from armor tanking as is shield tanking is vastly superior to armor tanking and is much more reliable more often than armor tanking. jihhhaders = av lvl 0 swarm master = av lvl 99+
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 2175	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:48:00 - [56] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: 4 seconds delay, 10 seconds depleted delay. They probably forgot a 0. I hope not The Gallente and Minmatar have a 6 second depleted recharge delay Amarr has a 5 second depleted recharge delay that is equal to its regular shield recharge delay I'm hoping that CCP wouldn't give the primary shield heavy the worst depleted shield recharge delay....then again it is CCP CCP could give it a 10 second delay and say it offers waves of opportunity. It could be anything. Hopefully the Caldari sentinel will be useful because I'm getting tired of armor Heavies. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1248	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:55:00 - [57] - Quote It may have more shields than armor but even after a flux it'll still plenty of armor. Where is my Gallente sidearm? SoonGäó514
Squagga The State Protectorate 27	Posted - 2014.01.20 02:46:00 - [58] - Quote Always tryin to keep the Caldari man down Reloading, the silent killer.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 578	Posted - 2014.01.20 03:25:00 - [59] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: It may have more shields than armor but even after a flux it'll still got plenty of armor. Indeed. The max armour that it could have is 636... But that would be a complete waste of the only low slot for a shield-based heavy (barring some situational build). Most would probably have around 487 armour HP. Which would be quite a bit if we were talking about scouts or medium suits... But on a heavy, that much armour has very low mileage, given weapon DPS, aim assist, the large heavy hitbox, as well as the easiest headshots in the game.
M McManus 374	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:13:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Sorry guys, but I do think it's a typo. We'll try to get the actual number for you guys soon. So any idea what the new values are ?



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