DUST Search - So, a dropsuit respec is pretty much a given now . . .

Chunky Munkey wrote:

MINA Longstrike wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

MINA Longstrike wrote:

Not necessarily... Vehicle one was mandatory due to their complete reworking of the tree and rolling like 4 different module unlocks into one skill. With infantry it looks like straight up additions to current trees and changing of dropsuit bonuses, this would mean that a respec isn't mandatory. That said I certainly hope infantry does get a respec as its only fair... Just don't hold your breath because it doesn't look like the changes make one a given.

They completely changed the function of certain suits.For instance, Minmatar Logis are no longer hacking logis but rep logis. If they were to have changed the bonus from 5% hacking speed per level to 2% hacking speed per level then no, there would not need to be a respec as it still performs the same role. However, that is not the case, and the same can be said for every other dropsuit. They are all redesigned and fit very different roles.

I'd count on the respec, but still it would be best to hear from CCP just in case.

To frame it in a different light it's like deciding to roll a priest in world of warcraft - they're healers (much like min logis are equipment users) but they've decided one patch that the healing is going to be more oriented towards damage prevention than it is towards restoration and utility spells. Essentially their function is the same but their methods are different - this doesn't entitle one necessarily to a class change partially because the changes don't mandate it like it would if they were removing warlocks from the game and partially because you signed off on the ToU that states 'things can change and you might not be happy with it'. People should have been speccing logi because of equipment not hacking speed and with all said and done the minmatar rep tool range and hp amounts are probably better than most other logi bonuses.

It might not be fair but nothing says they have to give one, even though there probably should be one.

That's a terrible analogy. The priest is still a damage mitigator, whereas the Min logi has gone from a role that benefits from speed & stealth, to one needing to tank & move in a group.
The Minmatar suit was never an "equipment user", that was specifically the Gallente's role.
The reshuffling of the hacking & equipment use bonuses illustrates how CCP have deliberately changed the roles of the suits, not just rebalanced them.

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Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 728	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:06:00 - [31] - Quote We have been given notice AND a 3x SP event Save your points girls and boys "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 940	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:16:00 - [32] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Vehicles got their respec, Infantry should get theirs. After all arguments for and against, here is the bottom line. Simple. Smeehf.
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 667	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:22:00 - [33] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Please stop calling it a respec... CCP has already stated in the past that they want to make the distinction between a full "respec" of your skillpoints, and a "refund" of certain skills that have been changed. Yes there will most likely be a refund of the entire dropsuit command tree, but please refer to it as a refund as respec sounds like you get ALL of your skill points back, which will certainly not be the case. But that is what people want. Eg. A Commando with Combat Rifle and Mass Driver instead of a maxxed out AR A Caldari Scout who can now invest less in precision because they get a direct bonus so they can put those points elsewhere to balance out their fit. A Gallente scout that now doesnt have to invest in Armor repair because it is built in can skill something else up. I think its only fair and is the last piece of the puzzle - Do the right thing CCP and announce it next week. - Only thing left will be people salivating for 1.8 release date. In your blind spot CPM, Remnant, Wolfman - Respect ~
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 225	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:49:00 - [34] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Not necessarily... Vehicle one was mandatory due to their complete reworking of the tree and rolling like 4 different module unlocks into one skill. With infantry it looks like straight up additions to current trees and changing of dropsuit bonuses, this would mean that a respec isn't mandatory. That said I certainly hope infantry does get a respec as its only fair... Just don't hold your breath because it doesn't look like the changes make one a given. They completely changed the function of certain suits.For instance, Minmatar Logis are no longer hacking logis but rep logis. If they were to have changed the bonus from 5% hacking speed per level to 2% hacking speed per level then no, there would not need to be a respec as it still performs the same role. However, that is not the case, and the same can be said for every other dropsuit. They are all redesigned and fit very different roles. I'd count on the respec, but still it would be best to hear from CCP just in case. To frame it in a different light it's like deciding to roll a priest in world of warcraft - they're healers (much like min logis are equipment users) but they've decided one patch that the healing is going to be more oriented towards damage prevention than it is towards restoration and utility spells. Essentially their function is the same but their methods are different - this doesn't entitle one necessarily to a class change partially because the changes don't mandate it like it would if they were removing warlocks from the game and partially because you signed off on the ToU that states 'things can change and you might not be happy with it'. People should have been speccing logi because of equipment not hacking speed and with all said and done the minmatar rep tool range and hp amounts are probably better than most other logi bonuses. It might not be fair but nothing says they have to give one, even though there probably should be one.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 437	Posted - 2014.01.17 23:52:00 - [35] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Yup. Definitely Dropsuit Command and Dropsuit Upgrades, but hoping Weaponry as well since certain roles like the Commando now provide bonuses for specific weapons, and new CPU/PG numbers so perhaps don't need as much Fitting Optimization, and stuff like that. Dropsuit command will recieve a partial respec, but not dropsuit upgrades. Almost all the Dropsuit upgrades have value regardless of suit and therefore need no partial respec. Weaponry also won't recieve a partial respec, because weapons were not drastically changed.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 435	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:24:00 - [36] - Quote Id love to have one But we as players arent entiltied to one by the devs,seeing as they arent removeing any skills from the game and this isnt beta anymore.We all know the new suits are coming soon and we have enough time to save SP enough to get proto day one,why should CCP waste their time on respec when they can just do a SP event like they always do around big patches. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 157	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:37:00 - [37] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Id love to have one But we as players arent entiltied to one by the devs,seeing as they arent removeing any skills from the game and this isnt beta anymore.We all know the new suits are coming soon and we have enough time to save SP enough to get proto day one,why should CCP waste their time on respec when they can just do a SP event like they always do around big patches. We are certainly not entitled but why should we be forced to invest more time and / or money due to incomplete content. The races and their lore is one of the biggest factors in the game and a huge factor in the RPG aspect. To force people away from a primary concept of the game due to incomplete content means we may as well drop any idea of dust being any thing more than a FPS which there are plenty of games out there that out perform in that side of it all. Full Respec = NOPE, I have skills in weapons that I put there on accident or put there before I learned to use aurum to test things before investing the most valuable thing in the game and would love to get them back but I am not and will not ask for those back as New Eden is most certainly about living with YOUR choices.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2879	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:41:00 - [38] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Id love to have one But we as players arent entiltied to one by the devs,seeing as they arent removeing any skills from the game and this isnt beta anymore.We all know the new suits are coming soon and we have enough time to save SP enough to get proto day one,why should CCP waste their time on respec when they can just do a SP event like they always do around big patches. What does entitlement have to do with any of it? Besides which, this isn't just new content, it's the removal of old content. You may say that skills aren't being removed, yet I don't see any "5% reduction to heat build up of laser weaponry per level" in the new content, yet I seem to remember skilling that up. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2879	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:48:00 - [39] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Please stop calling it a respec... CCP has already stated in the past that they want to make the distinction between a full "respec" of your skillpoints, and a "refund" of certain skills that have been changed. Yes there will most likely be a refund of the entire dropsuit command tree, but please refer to it as a refund as respec sounds like you get ALL of your skill points back, which will certainly not be the case. It's a semantic issue. Respec means respecialise, and that means being able to reallocate any amount of SP, not just all of it. All we need is to prefix "full" or "partial". That's all. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2879	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:55:00 - [40] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Not necessarily... Vehicle one was mandatory due to their complete reworking of the tree and rolling like 4 different module unlocks into one skill. With infantry it looks like straight up additions to current trees and changing of dropsuit bonuses, this would mean that a respec isn't mandatory. That said I certainly hope infantry does get a respec as its only fair... Just don't hold your breath because it doesn't look like the changes make one a given. They completely changed the function of certain suits.For instance, Minmatar Logis are no longer hacking logis but rep logis. If they were to have changed the bonus from 5% hacking speed per level to 2% hacking speed per level then no, there would not need to be a respec as it still performs the same role. However, that is not the case, and the same can be said for every other dropsuit. They are all redesigned and fit very different roles. I'd count on the respec, but still it would be best to hear from CCP just in case. To frame it in a different light it's like deciding to roll a priest in world of warcraft - they're healers (much like min logis are equipment users) but they've decided one patch that the healing is going to be more oriented towards damage prevention than it is towards restoration and utility spells. Essentially their function is the same but their methods are different - this doesn't entitle one necessarily to a class change partially because the changes don't mandate it like it would if they were removing warlocks from the game and partially because you signed off on the ToU that states 'things can change and you might not be happy with it'. People should have been speccing logi because of equipment not hacking speed and with all said and done the minmatar rep tool range and hp amounts are probably better than most other logi bonuses. It might not be fair but nothing says they have to give one, even though there probably should be one. That's a terrible analogy. The priest is still a damage mitigator, whereas the Min logi has gone from a role that benefits from speed & stealth, to one needing to tank & move in a group. The Minmatar suit was never an "equipment user", that was specifically the Gallente's role. The reshuffling of the hacking & equipment use bonuses illustrates how CCP have deliberately changed the roles of the suits, not just rebalanced them. No.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2879	Posted - 2014.01.18 08:57:00 - [41] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Weapons are needed as well seeing as how most specked into a particular weapon out of necessities to combat the OPness. Some would like to use the weapons of their race instead of using weapons that they were forced to speck into out of necessity and a lack of want. Now since suits and a base of racial weapons are available to finally fulfill the roles , suits and weapons should be reallocated. I don't think efforts to counter FOTM are any more of a valid respec argument than picking FOTM itself. No.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 979	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:00:00 - [42] - Quote For CCP they have their own little law for themselves. If they completely remove or change a skill they have to refund the sp. However to what point the skill was changed and if the change is considered significant enough is loose. Prt SL, SCR, SR . ADV FGs, MDs, LaZor, KNs. Gunnlogi, Falchion, Python, Caldari LDS. (+require) Prt L. Am, Adv HVY, LGS
Lorhak Gannarsein 1233	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:17:00 - [43] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Not necessarily... Vehicle one was mandatory due to their complete reworking of the tree and rolling like 4 different module unlocks into one skill. With infantry it looks like straight up additions to current trees and changing of dropsuit bonuses, this would mean that a respec isn't mandatory. That said I certainly hope infantry does get a respec as its only fair... Just don't hold your breath because it doesn't look like the changes make one a given. They completely changed the function of certain suits.For instance, Minmatar Logis are no longer hacking logis but rep logis. If they were to have changed the bonus from 5% hacking speed per level to 2% hacking speed per level then no, there would not need to be a respec as it still performs the same role. However, that is not the case, and the same can be said for every other dropsuit. They are all redesigned and fit very different roles. I'd count on the respec, but still it would be best to hear from CCP just in case. To frame it in a different light it's like deciding to roll a priest in world of warcraft - they're healers (much like min logis are equipment users) but they've decided one patch that the healing is going to be more oriented towards damage prevention than it is towards restoration and utility spells. Essentially their function is the same but their methods are different - this doesn't entitle one necessarily to a class change partially because the changes don't mandate it like it would if they were removing warlocks from the game and partially because you signed off on the ToU that states 'things can change and you might not be happy with it'. People should have been speccing logi because of equipment not hacking speed and with all said and done the minmatar rep tool range and hp amounts are probably better than most other logi bonuses. It might not be fair but nothing says they have to give one, even though there probably should be one. That's a terrible analogy. The priest is still a damage mitigator, whereas the Min logi has gone from a role that benefits from speed & stealth, to one needing to tank & move in a group. The Minmatar suit was never an "equipment user", that was specifically the Gallente's role. The reshuffling of the hacking & equipment use bonuses illustrates how CCP have deliberately changed the roles of the suits, not just rebalanced them. It's more like you rolled a paladin, picked some nice feats, skills and gear, and your DM is like 'nup, sorry, you're now a healer instead. And no, you don't get to pick something else that's in line with what you actually wanted.' If ever I had a DM like that, well, God in his great and bountiful wisdom gave us doors for a reason. PRO tanker and proud.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4053	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:23:00 - [44] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: It's more like you rolled a paladin, picked some nice feats, skills and gear, and your DM is like 'nup, sorry, you're now a healer instead. And no, you don't get to pick something else that's in line with what you actually wanted.' If ever I had a DM like that, well, God in his great and bountiful wisdom gave us doors for a reason. This guy gets it.
Lowkiie KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 58	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:29:00 - [45] - Quote GÇ¥ Do this kind of respecGÇ¥, GÇ¥do that kind of respecGÇ¥. Holy jeeze knock it off with the micro-managment. Just do a full respec and be done with it. One side says don't, mostly top players who don't want people who now know what they are doing to spec into skills that will help them survive longer. They want them to have tokeepgoing and wait while the side that says no, stays on top so they can keep their bull crud GÇ¥statusGÇ¥. Another side is mostly control freaks who want to mocro-manage everything. Well I say screw them both. Just take a full respec, spec back in to whatever you had if you want and deal with it. I'm pretty much fed up with the bickering like high school kids on here.proto this, tanks that, this weapon is too powerful, no it isn't, yes it is. Blahblahblahhhhhhhhhh. Waaaaa waaaa waaaaa. If we get a respec then either do a full respec or don't do one at all. What's the sense in doing a partial respec everytime something New happens? People should be able to change their minds and tactics. And considering the type of people we have playing this game, we could use a respec. People keep saying that it's not how EVE does it, wellll sorry to burst your bubble but this is not EVE.
jin foxdale Jedi Slime. 159	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:58:00 - [46] - Quote Lowkiie wrote: GÇ¥ Do this kind of respecGÇ¥, GÇ¥do that kind of respecGÇ¥. Holy jeeze knock it off with the micro-managment. Just do a full respec and be done with it. One side says don't, mostly top players who don't want people who now know what they are doing to spec into skills that will help them survive longer. They want them to have tokeepgoing and wait while the side that says no, stays on top so they can keep their bull crud GÇ¥statusGÇ¥. Another side is mostly control freaks who want to mocro-manage everything. Well I say screw them both. Just take a full respec, spec back in to whatever you had if you want and deal with it. I'm pretty much fed up with the bickering like high school kids on here.proto this, tanks that, this weapon is too powerful, no it isn't, yes it is. Blahblahblahhhhhhhhhh. Waaaaa waaaa waaaaa. If we get a respec then either do a full respec or don't do one at all. What's the sense in doing a partial respec everytime something New happens? People should be able to change their minds and tactics. And considering the type of people we have playing this game, we could use a respec. People keep saying that it's not how EVE does it, wellll sorry to burst your bubble but this is not EVE. spoken from the heart, great post. If you see me in the redline, driving an LAV in circles, fear not! Its my two year old son enjoying New Eden.
trollface dot jpg The Bacon Corporation 120	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:12:00 - [47] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: The combat rifle and rail rifle were new content. The racial variants are variations of suits which we were forced to skill into the wrong ones due to incomplete design. This is totally different than a new weapon. I went level 4 in the rail rifle just to be able to use the assault variation and I am not asking for a respec on those points now that I am not a fan of it. Is the SP invested in level 3 dropsuit command to unlock amarr heavies which is the only option for a heavy our fault? Was that my mistake or was I correct when I looked and saw that this was the only way to get a heavy? Maybe since dust is all about living with your decisions I should have just never played with anything other than a medium suit due to CCP not having the race I would like to play with. The CR and RR are racial weapon variants of the AR. I however had to use the AR in order to have a proper rifle until my racial one was released. I want my AR points back. Ditto heavy suit. I don't want points back I've spent on the newly released stuff, I want my points back from the stuff I had to specc into to stay viable until all of the stuff I wanted to specc into was made available. The point isn't to clear up regretted decisions, that is a by-product. The point is to allow people to spend their skill points how they would have from the beginning if all the racial variants had been available from the start. As irritating as his terrible grammar was..... I'm starting to miss Mr. Zitro.....
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 90	Posted - 2014.01.18 11:57:00 - [48] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: This truely would have to be the last one. Mmeehh rambling yes for respeck completr reworking and people can know invest in their chosen races dropsuit ^^this^^ Really does have to be the last ever, ever, ever respec (maybe until you can pay to respec, but different argument) CCP needs to make sure all the playerbase is informed if this is the way to go, no need for anymore respec's if we get one. Maybe we only really need the dropsuit skill tree respec especially as the SP event is coming up. Devils Advocate - we have no time set for the release of 1.8 at the moment so there is plenty of time to be saving SP only impatience is going to mess that up. Logi For Life-Mini Logi suit wearer & proud Forum Lurker-level unknown Do clones dream of Dolly the sheep
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1464	Posted - 2014.01.19 10:27:00 - [49] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Id love to have one But we as players arent entiltied to one by the devs,seeing as they arent removeing any skills from the game and this isnt beta anymore.We all know the new suits are coming soon and we have enough time to save SP enough to get proto day one,why should CCP waste their time on respec when they can just do a SP event like they always do around big patches. Yeah because running one query on the database to reset our SP takes longer then 5 minutes of their time eh ? Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Darrius Smithmage Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2	Posted - 2014.01.19 11:51:00 - [50] - Quote Honesty I could careless what they do. All icare about is that they leave me alone I'm happy with what I got and dislike have to reput in skills that should never have been moved in the first place and made a choice into what I spec into anything in this game and being force to respect bug the crap out me but that just me guess I'm weird for thinking that way

Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 155	Posted - 2014.01.19 11:57:00 - [51] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: . . . right? These changes are arguably even more significant than those made to vehicles. NO! lol CCP wants to **** on their small veteran community.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 34	Posted - 2014.01.19 12:12:00 - [52] - Quote I hope we get one! Anti-respec people, why would this be so terrible? I've yet to read a valid argument. Life isn't fair? Seriously? Save your SP? I bet you masochists are fun at parties. Sorry to the one guy that thinks having to pick new skills a chore. You sir have achieved level 9000 of laziness. I bet you eat your hot pockets frozen...and still in the box. We can pickle that.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 229	Posted - 2014.01.19 12:18:00 - [53] - Quote Yes to respec on suits No to respec on anything else My self would swap to mini logi from gallante. I want those rep stats War never changes
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1672	Posted - 2014.01.19 12:19:00 - [54] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: . . . right? These changes are arguably even more significant than those made to vehicles. They're only more significant because everybody has to have a dropsuit. I support a full infantry respec, since they're changing so much. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 230	Posted - 2014.01.19 12:32:00 - [55] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Yes to respec on suits No to respec on anything else My self would swap to mini logi from gallante. I want those rep stats Stay in your loltanks and get easily popped by me again. ?? 0 sp in tanks bro War never changes
Darrius Smithmage Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2	Posted - 2014.01.19 15:27:00 - [56] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: I hope we get one! Anti-respec people, why would this be so terrible? I've yet to read a valid argument. Life isn't fair? Seriously? Save your SP? I bet you masochists are fun at parties. Sorry to the one guy that thinks having to pick new skills a chore. You sir have achieved level 9000 of laziness. I bet you eat your hot pockets frozen...and still in the box. No eat them when their still in the box .And it not me being lazy at all I been respect 3 times and I'm tired of it. I you want one good for you that fine but i never insulted anyone so idk why your calling me lazy at all. I just wanted the option to be excluded form a respect that I don't won't for my character not yours.


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