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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:33:00 -
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. . . right?
These changes are arguably even more significant than those made to vehicles.
No.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5253
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:41:00 -
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Yup. Definitely Dropsuit Command and Dropsuit Upgrades, but hoping Weaponry as well since certain roles like the Commando now provide bonuses for specific weapons, and new CPU/PG numbers so perhaps don't need as much Fitting Optimization, and stuff like that.
ARC Commander
CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
215
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:46:00 -
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Not necessarily... Vehicle one was mandatory due to their complete reworking of the tree and rolling like 4 different module unlocks into one skill. With infantry it looks like straight up additions to current trees and changing of dropsuit bonuses, this would mean that a respec isn't mandatory. That said I certainly hope infantry does get a respec as its only fair... Just don't hold your breath because it doesn't look like the changes make one a given. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1597
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:49:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:. . . right?
These changes are arguably even more significant than those made to vehicles.
No. Vehicles had the whole skillTREE changed. Not only what the skills / vehicles /turrets do.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5255
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:50:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Not necessarily... Vehicle one was mandatory due to their complete reworking of the tree and rolling like 4 different module unlocks into one skill. With infantry it looks like straight up additions to current trees and changing of dropsuit bonuses, this would mean that a respec isn't mandatory. That said I certainly hope infantry does get a respec as its only fair... Just don't hold your breath because it doesn't look like the changes make one a given. They completely changed the function of certain suits.For instance, Minmatar Logis are no longer hacking logis but rep logis. If they were to have changed the bonus from 5% hacking speed per level to 2% hacking speed per level then no, there would not need to be a respec as it still performs the same role. However, that is not the case, and the same can be said for every other dropsuit. They are all redesigned and fit very different roles.
I'd count on the respec, but still it would be best to hear from CCP just in case.
ARC Commander
CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
828
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:01:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:. . . right?
These changes are arguably even more significant than those made to vehicles. No. Vehicles had the whole skillTREE changed. Not only what the skills / vehicles /turrets do. I'm sure if vehicles still had individual skills for unlocking each vehicles race(like dropsuits do) then vehicle users would expect a respec when amarr/minmatar vehicles come out.
But still, any anti respec people have garbage opinions, let alone tankers. Some opinions are garbage, just as criminals aren't allowed to vote, as no one takes the KK.K's(thats censored even, oh the irony) opinions seriously, anti respec opinions are mostly garbage that don't deserve to be acknowledged.
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS
7
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:04:00 -
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should be the very last full respec we get . since most of the stuff is in |
Echoist
Fenrir's Wolves
115
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:10:00 -
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I'm typically against respecs, but depending on how much change is shown in the patch notes for 1.8 I'd be fine with a partial respec for only dropsuit command skills nothing else is necessary.
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
661
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:20:00 -
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Well these changes are actually expected to change so IDK.
I say wait 'till 2.0 then just give everyone a full respec to celebrate!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3572
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:22:00 -
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Echoist wrote:I'm typically against respecs, but depending on how much change is shown in the patch notes for 1.8 I'd be fine with a partial respec for only dropsuit command skills nothing else is necessary. Only Dropsuit Command?
Refunding Dropsuit Command but not Weaponry and Dropsuit Upgrades is like having a vehicle respec but without refunding Turrets or Modules.
WTF would be the point then? That's a direct F**k message to Minmatar and Amarr Assault users, who's playstyle revolves around the bonuses to weapons. You've removed their playstyle(s), so having a Dropsuit Command only respec would be near worthless.
Mr. Pothead was right. There are a lot of garbage opinions or respecs that don't deserve acknowledgement .
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1049
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:32:00 -
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I haven't seen anything to suggest that any skills will be less relevant to the play style they are designed for, so I don't see any need for a respec.
If people can describe specific circumstances in which skills that were useful before are useless after the patch then I'd support partial-respec-by-petition for those situations.
If enough people have enough reasons to justify respecs then it would be easier to provide a more general respec and reduce the load on the GMs. That would be for CCP to decide though, and I think we're a long way from it.
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
1049
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:35:00 -
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Oh, and I'd support race-respec as well. You petition for a reallocation of skill levels from one racial dropsuit to another racial variant of the same dropsuit skill; Amarr heavy frame to Gallente heavy frame, for example.
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deezy dabest
Warpoint Sharx
152
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:02:00 -
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Not giving a dropsuit respec would definitely make me mad.
I have saved up enough unallocated SP to go straight for my new suit but why should I have to spend so much time making up for the fact that they took so long to release all of the racial variants. I can not see any reason for a full respec but not doing it on dropsuits with these releases would seriously rain on a lot of peoples parades.
And to you guys that like to yell against respecs:
Give it a rest. I'm sure 90% of you took part in the first respec and now you get to feel high and mighty cause you no longer have as much of your SP stuck in useless skills as all the newbies. We are all in our bracket SP wise based on when we started and will never break out of those brackets thanks too the flawed SP system. Shut up and let people yell for full respecs that CCP will never give so that they can keep booster sales from dropping.
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
1004
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:14:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:And to you guys that like to yell against respecs: Why are all of you yelling for respecs? |
deezy dabest
Warpoint Sharx
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:40:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:deezy dabest wrote:And to you guys that like to yell against respecs: Why are all of you yelling for respecs?
I am not yelling for a full respec but a dropsuit respec is definitely needed. Why should we be punished by having our skill points in suits that we do not want all because CCP took so long to release the full list of variations.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2240
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:52:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:. . . right?
These changes are arguably even more significant than those made to vehicles.
lolno
Vehicles had a complete overhaul including turrets/mods and the skill tree with removal or mods/skills and hulls
Not too mention we dont have all racial vehicles out
Infantry changes are big but in comparision to the vehicle changes they aint even in the same room but you will still get a dropsuit respec and maybe a possible equipment respec due to logi bonuses and possible weapons too due to commando/sentinal bonuses
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
679
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:57:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Yup. Definitely Dropsuit Command and Dropsuit Upgrades, but hoping Weaponry as well since certain roles like the Commando now provide bonuses for specific weapons, and new CPU/PG numbers so perhaps don't need as much Fitting Optimization, and stuff like that.
I'd like to think so, even though I'm on the "NO RESPEC" team, I've always said when we get all the racial suits then we should get a Dropsuit tree refund.
I agree that a Dropsuit Upgrades tree refund seems logical too, but as for weapons, not sure.
I'm not holding my breath.
I do have an agreement with my CEO that if we don't get a dropsuit refund then I'm going to win dust. The only way you can win is by biomass
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Sgt Buttscratch
1313
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:59:00 -
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**** it, full respec.
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Sgt Buttscratch
1313
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:05:00 -
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A full respec will help the newer peoples refine choices, which many of us already got to do. People who are negatively effected by a full respec: 0
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
862
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:18:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Rasatsu wrote:deezy dabest wrote:And to you guys that like to yell against respecs: Why are all of you yelling for respecs? I am not yelling for a full respec but a dropsuit respec is definitely needed. Why should we be punished by having our skill points in suits that we do not want all because CCP took so long to release the full list of variations.
Bethhy wrote: It's been 8 months at some point CCP is human and set their bar to high and the racial variants of scout and heavy suits are "New" content much like the combat rifle and rail rifle.. Not Something "Owed" to you that somehow those 8 months of ISK and Skill acquired using those suits and weapons was worthless.
So one more respec and everything will be perfect. until the next patch or if you make a mistake. then you want another? or.. what if they add an entire new class and you REALLY meant to be that class instead...
Combat and Rail rifle coming out and people saving and skilling into it, having one or both near maxed out first day with saved SP, should be more then enough of an example. CCP may tweak and balance and change anything depending on whims and what they feel may improve their game. The Skills points we invest and thus skills are our history in DUST. Some of us have maxed out alot of different aspect's of DUST that are no longer relevant to the same extent, never means they are useless or will never have use based on what changed them in the first place.
That is our history of our character, you want a character option that has close to no mistakes with skills? start a new one or start a separate PSN and use the knowledge and experience you have gained to build that perfect mercenary in his specialized role. But Respecializing King Checkmate? because you made mistakes allocating skills(We all did to some extent) the 8 months we haven't had racial variants in one aspect of DUST hasn't made the ISK and Skill points you acquired with those skills any less valueable. Nothing will be the same in DUST forever and there will always be new stuff comming out. We have more then enough time to get SP and everyone progress naturally there. Not respecialize your character every time something new and shinny comes out.
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THE GREY CARDINAL
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
401
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:32:00 -
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Having seen the data dump I can't see how a full infantry respec doesn't happen. I'm not a fan of them personally, but in this case it needs to be. This would truly be the last one I think.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
351
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:36:00 -
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Weapons are needed as well seeing as how most specked into a particular weapon out of necessities to combat the OPness. Some would like to use the weapons of their race instead of using weapons that they were forced to speck into out of necessity and a lack of want. Now since suits and a base of racial weapons are available to finally fulfill the roles , suits and weapons should be reallocated.
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steadyhand amarr
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
2161
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:39:00 -
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This truely would have to be the last one. This is a full rework while filling in the blanks iv been waiting for the amarr scout for ages but some how they will have made Dust514 featured complete by fanfest if they get playermarket in too -_-.
Mmeehh rambling yes for respeck completr reworking and people can know invest in their chosen races dropsuit
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deezy dabest
Warpoint Sharx
153
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:46:00 -
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The combat rifle and rail rifle were new content.
The racial variants are variations of suits which we were forced to skill into the wrong ones due to incomplete design. This is totally different than a new weapon. I went level 4 in the rail rifle just to be able to use the assault variation and I am not asking for a respec on those points now that I am not a fan of it.
Is the SP invested in level 3 dropsuit command to unlock amarr heavies which is the only option for a heavy our fault? Was that my mistake or was I correct when I looked and saw that this was the only way to get a heavy? Maybe since dust is all about living with your decisions I should have just never played with anything other than a medium suit due to CCP not having the race I would like to play with. |
Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:54:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:I haven't seen anything to suggest that any skills will be less relevant to the play style they are designed for, so I don't see any need for a respec.
If people can describe specific circumstances in which skills that were useful before are useless after the patch then I'd support partial-respec-by-petition for those situations.
If enough people have enough reasons to justify respecs then it would be easier to provide a more general respec and reduce the load on the GMs. That would be for CCP to decide though, and I think we're a long way from it.
Oh like for instance, the Amarr assault suit now plays a complete diffrent role, like it has armor rep bonus vs scr bonusses, i find that quite a significan change...let alone it most likely gets a slot layout change AND shield/armor redistribution with diffrent stats to shield recharge.
If those are not enough, what is gonna be enough ? Everything is getting reworked, maybe it doesnt affect your performance, but it will affect mine or how i can play my suit to it benefits, i dont run reppers so for me the bonus it provides is completely irrelivant, hence i dont see why i would run a suit with only one bonus.
Vehicles got their respec, Infantry should get theirs.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
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Posted - 2014.01.17 15:00:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:R F Gyro wrote:I haven't seen anything to suggest that any skills will be less relevant to the play style they are designed for, so I don't see any need for a respec.
If people can describe specific circumstances in which skills that were useful before are useless after the patch then I'd support partial-respec-by-petition for those situations.
If enough people have enough reasons to justify respecs then it would be easier to provide a more general respec and reduce the load on the GMs. That would be for CCP to decide though, and I think we're a long way from it. Oh like for instance, the Amarr assault suit now plays a complete diffrent role, like it has armor rep bonus vs scr bonusses, i find that quite a significan change...let alone it most likely gets a slot layout change AND shield/armor redistribution with diffrent stats to shield recharge. If those are not enough, what is gonna be enough ? Everything is getting reworked, maybe it doesnt affect your performance, but it will affect mine or how i can play my suit to it benefits, i dont run reppers so for me the bonus it provides is completely irrelivant, hence i dont see why i would run a suit with only one bonus. Vehicles got their respec, Infantry should get theirs.
This.
Minmatar Logistics also lost it's hacking bonus.
I know a guy who specced into it solely because of that bonus. And if I remember aright, there are a few PLC users who've been shafted by skill changes once already, when Cal Assault lost its reload bonus, and now Gallente is going to lose its fitting bonus.
Basically, if the Amarr Assault has lost its bonus, I'm skilling into GalAssault and running a rail rifle. Or maybe just a Duvolle.
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
683
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Posted - 2014.01.17 15:01:00 -
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most people who are against respecs are usually people who play dust non stop or people who like it when other people cant have fun. Anti-respec= jerk no matter what! |
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1994
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Posted - 2014.01.17 15:02:00 -
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Please stop calling it a respec...
CCP has already stated in the past that they want to make the distinction between a full "respec" of your skillpoints, and a "refund" of certain skills that have been changed.
Yes there will most likely be a refund of the entire dropsuit command tree, but please refer to it as a refund as respec sounds like you get ALL of your skill points back, which will certainly not be the case.
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.17 15:04:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:most people who are against respecs are usually people who play dust non stop or people who like it when other people cant have fun. Anti-respec= jerk no matter what!
Most of us Veterans don't really mind, its more then likely the Tankers who got theirs don't want us infantry getting ours.
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Chaos Scum
Warcaste
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Posted - 2014.01.17 15:06:00 -
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I'll take a respec. I'm just gonna fill up my cores again. Im gonna take the rest and hang on to it for a few months. I suspect just like everything else this new patch will be garbage. they have moved so far away from the gameplay I fell in love with back in chromosome.
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