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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:16:00 -
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They actually invested SP and ISK into their role.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
5772
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:18:00 -
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Atiim wrote:They actually invested SP and ISK into their role.
Yeah I should have stayed MLT now I would have 9 Million SP uninvested and still be as effective as I am now.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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CRYPT3C W0LF
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:20:00 -
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I'm able to get 9000 armor on a maddy since I have armor skillz maxed
and 50% rotation speed increase
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The Attorney General
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:23:00 -
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So what your saying is that proto swarms should do the same damage as MLT?
Gotcha.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:24:00 -
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CRYPT3C W0LF wrote:I'm able to get 9000 armor on a maddy since I have armor skillz maxed and 50% rotation speed increase But do you really need it?
Unless your trying to nab that Jihad Jeep, you can easily rotate the tank instead of the turret.
9k Armor is impressive, but still unnessesary when you can already achieve 15k eHP.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
3282
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:25:00 -
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Whatever happened to that implied rule not to insult an entire class of players in your OP?
You wanna battle / Aztec's not afraid of you / I could care less about your reputation / Even though it maybe true.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3515
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:25:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:So what your saying is that proto swarms should do the same damage as MLT?
Gotcha. Nope. I'm just messing around.
What I'm saying is that besides Missile Turrets you must regret actually spending SP knowing that a MLT vehicle can do it just as well, while being virtually ISK/SP cost free.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
5772
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:26:00 -
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He's not we're pretty silly.
"My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:26:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Whatever happened to that implied rule not to insult an entire class of players in your OP? Dude, it's just a joke.
See above.
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:28:00 -
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Atiim wrote:They actually invested SP and ISK into their role.
I take offence to this! :P Some of us have been tankers (And the old LLAV drivers) since before 1.7. We used to HAVE to have skills into tanks to even be marginally effective. |
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The Attorney General
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:29:00 -
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Atiim wrote:The Attorney General wrote:So what your saying is that proto swarms should do the same damage as MLT?
Gotcha. Nope. I'm just messing around. What I'm saying is that besides Missile Turrets you must regret actually spending SP knowing that a MLT vehicle can do it just as well, while being virtually ISK/SP cost free.
Not at all.
This game is always in a state of flux, and the stats as they are now will not always be so.
I enjoy tanking, and the boon that MLT tankers have right now won't last. When the music stops, there I'll be with fully maxed out skills, rocking and rolling.
When tanks get nerfed, those SP are going to be very needed.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3518
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:31:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:Atiim wrote:They actually invested SP and ISK into their role. I take offence to this! :P Some of us have been tankers (And the old LLAV drivers) since before 1.7. We used to HAVE to have skills into tanks to even be marginally effective. I remember when I used to rep 3 things at once with my LLAV. And hardners with the maxed out operation skill?
I hope they bring it back.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:34:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote: Not at all.
This game is always in a state of flux, and the stats as they are now will not always be so.
I enjoy tanking, and the boon that MLT tankers have right now won't last. When the music stops, there I'll be with fully maxed out skills, rocking and rolling.
When tanks get nerfed, those SP are going to be very needed.
Well, we all know how fast that's gonna take
Though when I finish maxing the rest of my skills, I'm gonna go straight for that 20GJ Particle Cannon.
It may even make a nice placeholder for the LLAVs.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:57:00 -
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Atiim wrote:They actually invested SP and ISK into their role. T3ll me about it Apart of forge master race
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RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
645
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:33:00 -
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I think my favorite poster in the entire forums is the one who once said that (most) tankers flunked kindergarten
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
611
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:37:00 -
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A skilled up rail tank will still beat virtually any militia rail. Other than that, yeah, there's kind of no point except to do better against other tanks.
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8213
0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:41:00 -
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So long as they stay cheap as dirt, I'll never skill into tanks. I'll just keep using my ADV and STD modules on the militia tin cans.
I only die if I allow it.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4471
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Posted - 2014.01.16 05:11:00 -
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Atiim wrote:They actually invested SP and ISK into their role. MLT everything.
If you don't, you're ********.
I'm obviously an utter ******* moron putting SP into Assault Dropships, when I should just be redline sniping with triple-Damage Mod Sicas.
The sad part is this is exactly how the game is right now. Investing SP in vehicles just means you're losing even more ISK when a 100k or lower vehicle tears you to pieces before you can even retaliate.
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Awesome Pantaloons
Lokapalas.
230
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Posted - 2014.01.16 05:24:00 -
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Atiim wrote:The Attorney General wrote:So what your saying is that proto swarms should do the same damage as MLT?
Gotcha. Nope. I'm just messing around. What I'm saying is that besides Missile Turrets you must regret actually spending SP knowing that a MLT vehicle can do it just as well, while being virtually ISK/SP cost free.
Yep, ever since my post there has been a lot of trolly tank talk. XD Militia FG for the win, b*tches.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.16 05:31:00 -
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Atiim wrote:They actually invested SP and ISK into their role.
I do fine with my 2 Shield Hardener + Armor hardener + Armor repairer Sica with rail... :3
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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Tch Tch
Red Shirts Away Team
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Posted - 2014.01.16 05:42:00 -
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Tanks were proto gets stomped by militia.
Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.16 05:42:00 -
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Tanking is just so boring and lack lustre now, At this point I have basically quit since its no longer fun to kill MLT tanks every 2 mins or watch 4 idiots try to rush me in Sica.....
Frankly speaking a Sica is all you need, a damn rail turret as well. As someone here said its like most tankers have flunked kindergarten.
No skill is required just line of sight and being the first one to fire the rail gun.
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.16 05:48:00 -
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Well, theres still big reasons to have SP, its mostly the cooldown times making you much safer, especially using cycled shield hardeners or armor hardeners against AV. Of course cycled hardeners can't protect against damage modded railguns, but still they remove any and all chance of you being killed by AV as long as you don't have down syndrome.
Other than that, having the extra slot for tanks is great and having the proto turrets puts you far above MLT tanks.
But generally, yes, the reward for using a 500k isk tank is usually pointless compared to a 70k isk MLT tank w/ a blaster.
Its pretty much best to use Somas with scanners and blasters vs infantry since you're vulnerable to railguns while killing infantry anyways, so the 70k isk tank is preferred.
While if you're hunting tanks a triple damage mod or double damage mod 1 hardener gunnlogi particle cannon is preferred, since you'll be aware of and looking for tanks, meaning the risk is lower while the extra damage from the SP & isk of your real tank makes it MUCH easier then.
That's "MR." Pothead to you.
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Harpyja
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 05:48:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:Atiim wrote:They actually invested SP and ISK into their role. I take offence to this! :P Some of us have been tankers (And the old LLAV drivers) since before 1.7. We used to HAVE to have skills into tanks to even be marginally effective. And that's how it should be. Not this crap where there's almost no SP gap.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3553
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:10:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:Atiim wrote:They actually invested SP and ISK into their role. I take offence to this! :P Some of us have been tankers (And the old LLAV drivers) since before 1.7. We used to HAVE to have skills into tanks to even be marginally effective. And that's how it should be. Not this crap where there's almost no SP gap. Well, while I do believe that SP investment needs to matter, Actual Skill > SP needs to be a thing as well.
It's the Railguns that are the real problem. but nerfing them removes the only reliable counter against HAVs with cycled hardeners.
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Aizen Intiki
Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy
692
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:13:00 -
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Atiim wrote:The Attorney General wrote:So what your saying is that proto swarms should do the same damage as MLT?
Gotcha. Nope. I'm just messing around. What I'm saying is that besides Missile Turrets you must regret actually spending SP knowing that a MLT vehicle can do it just as well, while being virtually ISK/SP cost free.
So you ******* finally see why tank spam is a thing? Wow, amazing
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:18:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote: So you ******* finally see why tank spam is a thing? Wow, amazing
Dude, I've always known why tank spam is a thing. That was pretty obvious after I checked the Skill Tree.
However, that doesn't mean that vehicles with SP invested aren't overpowered either; in fact the shorter cooldowns and longer duration makes them even worse than the MLT vehicles.
Not that cooldown really means anything when everyone and their dogs just recall before the cooldown timer expires
Which brings me right back to where we were before you made your obvious comment that was had almost no relevance whatsoever.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:22:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:I think my favorite poster in the entire forums is the one who once said that (most) tankers flunked kindergarten Wow, that actually sounds like something I would say.
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Aizen Intiki
Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:42:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote: So you ******* finally see why tank spam is a thing? Wow, amazing
Dude, I've always known why tank spam is a thing. That was pretty obvious after I checked the Skill Tree. However, that doesn't mean that vehicles with SP invested aren't overpowered either; in fact the shorter cooldowns and longer duration makes them even worse than the MLT vehicles. Not that cooldown really means anything when everyone and their dogs just recall before the cooldown timer expires Which brings me right back to where we were before you made your obvious comment that was had almost no relevance whatsoever.
But they also cost more, far more in fact. plus, once the active modules go down, they're useless. and alpha damage makes sure of that. IAFG's still destray Maddy's, I can report on that, not from the receiving end, but the giving end. You know how I feel about Wiki swarms. And I've seen people use adv. AV to easily kill HAV's, with said people saying that PROTO is too much still (really, the only reason why I use PROTO is faster killing time, and that helps with killing then repositing to kill the next 3 before that one returns). so no, having them have different active times and cooldowns does jack ****. What does is the fact that they all have the same damn percentage for active ones, and tat needs to change. CAll me an elitest all you like, I could give 0 fucks. Still needs to change. So yes, it actually does.
"Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say
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Aizen Intiki
Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy
697
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:44:00 -
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Atiim wrote:[quote=RuckingFetard]I think my favorite poster in the entire forums is the one who once said that (most) tankers flunked kindergarten
Oh, for a second I thought I was going to have to figure out who that was and give him a earfull, then rip you a new one for agreeing with him.
"Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say
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