So, I am going to go against the Hive Mind in Scouts United here.

Don't hate me.

I think scouts will be fine with no Sidearm and two equipment slots. It will be the death of the "Light Assault" scout we have now, but if the cloak is a great offensive AND defensive equipment, it will let scouts fill a more Utility role on the Battlefield.

It will require a change in play-style. But we will survive, and may even come out of it better.

However, let me be clear. I ONLY support this if you make the class have better Utility abilities! Nobody wants to have the class become the current scout with no sidearm and two equipment. This will KILL the scout. It NEEDS to have a definite Stealth/Utility role to make this work.

Also, Minmatar Scout will be awesome if they give it the same treatment. It should be a scout focused on combat, so give it some abilities that increase it's viability to deal DAMAGE. Cloak will help this immensely if DONE RIGHT.

In short, this CAN work. But if you screw it up, scouts will be in the worse state they have EVER seen.

AND WE WILL BE PISSED.

Minny combat scout? Other scouts recon and support? Is that what's going on?

You just keep stabbing, sir ... we'll let you know when this is all sorted

Snip

If I may...

Can we bring back the Type-II/B-series/Vk.1s?

That way everyone has a choice between the EQ slot or the sidearm. There is more variety. There is less frustration with useless skill levels.

Everyone wins.

They went on record saying we were under-performing so make the case why they want to subtract to add.

I agree with you.

The scout shouldn't be geared towards direct offense. We already have two classes that are supposed to do that. (That is not to say we shouldn't be effective at combat. That is more up to the player's skill. My RR assures me that my ability to kill will be just fine even without a sidearm)

We should be centered around indirect offense. We can't do as well on average as the other classes so our skills should focus on weakening them before we go for the kill.

However, I concede this is a major hit to the scouts who like specialist weapons (knives, shotguns, MDs, LRs, etc.). If they are not satisfied with the min keeping a sidearm and 1 equipment, maybe the gal scout can join the min.

@mollerz

If necessary, we can build a better minja. We have the technology.

So, I am going to go against the Hive Mind in Scouts United here.

Don't hate me.

I think scouts will be fine with no Sidearm and two equipment slots. It will be the death of the "Light Assault" scout we have now, ...

Has anyone talked about giving scouts 2 EQ and 2 sidearms slots as a way to work them?

I've not seen this suggestion yet, but I have seen ...
"All Scout Suits should come with Nova Knives built it"

^ The Nova Knife embodies all things Scout. Every kill is earned. This idea I could get behind.

Err, what?
how is it possibly that?

The generic definition of "Light Assault", would be "light suit with an assault rifle".
They're not stopping that.

Minmatar Scout needs to be 1 / 1 / 2, its just going to become laughable with a Bonus to Knives and only one weapon slot to fill, its also going to be laughable with a layout of 1 / 1 / 1 because they'll be practically untouched in terms of how useful they are to a team as a whole.

The Nerf
Chromosome Scout meet Uprising Scout.
Worse Speed, Stamina, Scan Stats, Slots, PG/CPU, Jumps, Evasives, Comparative HP, etc.

The Wait
1.0 thru 1.X.
Scouts await redemption, "Dev Hugs", and future role.

The Carrot
Cloak is around the corner.
This will surely be what sets the Scout apart from the others.

The Trade
Cloak wasn't built into the Scout Suit, so now the Scout must bargain for it.
Does he wish to trade his preferred Equipment or sacrifice his trusty Sidearm?

The Outcome
Trades EQ: The Scout pursues selfish path; no Uplinks, no Recon, no Sabotage to support squad.
Trades SW: No one knows what became of the Scout Sniper, Shotgunner, Swarmer, Knifer, etc.

No Quid Pro Quo (Pretty Please)
Long we Scouts have awaited Dev Hugs; to our dismay they arrive in the form of a Trade.
Many Scouts and many more Scoutly functions hang in the balance; must they be sacrificed?



How exactly does CCP expect me to return the hugs if they cut off one of my arms in the process of said hugs.
- J0LLY R0G3R (Scout Registry, Page 353, Post 7043)

The Nerf
Chromosome Scout meet Uprising Scout.
Worse Speed, Stamina, Scan Stats, Slots, PG/CPU, Jumps, Evasives, Comparative HP, etc.

The Wait
1.0 thru 1.X.
Scouts await redemption, "Dev Hugs", and future role.

The Carrot
Cloak is around the corner.
This will surely be what sets the Scout apart from the others.

The Trade
Cloak wasn't built into the Scout Suit, so now the Scout must bargain for it.
Does he wish to trade his preferred Equipment or sacrifice his trusty Sidearm?

The Outcome
Trades EQ: The Scout pursues selfish path; no Uplinks, no Recon, no Sabotage to support squad.
Trades SW: No one knows what became of the Scout Sniper, Shotgunner, Swarmer, Knifer, etc.

No Quid Pro Quo (Pretty Please)
Long we Scouts have awaited Dev Hugs; to our dismay they arrive in the form of a Trade.
Many Scouts and many more Scoutly functions hang in the balance; must they be sacrificed?



How exactly does CCP expect me to return the hugs if they cut off one of my arms in the process of said hugs.
- J0LLY R0G3R (Scout Registry, Page 353, Post 7043)

I like my Gallente Scout right where it is. I don't need a bonus to cloak and I don't need an extra equipment slot.

I'm queen of the CQC. Inside an Outpost is where I shine. I am dampened to the point when only the focused scanner will find me (**** that thing. seriously. **** it in the eye socket).

The 36m passive scan range is a bit litimited and I'd love it to be around 45 (return scout base scan range to 25m, 50% bonus from skill, and 25% from SiSi gallente scout skill). I lets me defend or push for points inside those Outposts. The Gallente Lag facility is fun with a Gallente Scout with a Shogun near [C] and [A] on the 3 point map. On orbital artillery the two points there make running Gal-Scout so much fun. The entirety of Biomass Outpost and Communications Outpost is so much fun too.

When playing a Gallente Scout the things that cause my death the most, since they toned down aim assist (I wish it didn't exist) has been Tanks, Assault Dropships, and getting caught out in the open.

Sure, a cloak would stop those deaths but in would increase my 1v1 rate of death by a lot. If the cloak works as posted by CCP- not these terrible, terrible ideas that have come from kain spero, IWS, or the rest of the forumites- then ever if I could fire a shotgun from cloak and immediately be uncloaked it would not change the number of shots to kill. 1 shot from a shotgun to kill a STD suit with only STD armor or shield. 2 shots to kill an ADV suit with ADV HP extenders, and 2 shots for the lightly armored/shielded protosuits while 3-4 shots to tanked Assaults and 4-5 shots against Gallente Logi. While 5-6 shots to take out a proto Heavy/Sentinel

This, All assuming it is does at Optimal Range which is 4.8m. By 10m i'm doing 13% damage efficacy. If you take away my sidearm on my scout, then I might as well play as a Logistics suit which can sprint just as fast and have more armor, and can use damage mods to reduce the number of shots fired.
The loss of a sidearm is such a huge nerf.
If myGallente Scout loses its sidearm, then I'll be switching to an Assault Suit for shotgun. I'll lose a little stealth and all my scanning for damage and HP. Cal-Assault for shotguns

CCP has to realize that this cloak is going to be a tool for logistics. Anything a Scout can do, a Logi can do better. The only way to get a Scout to use a Cloak better than a Logi is to give the Scout a free slot to use it with.
Scouts Need 2 EQ slots (maybe only the protosuit like in Chromosome) and a sidearm
Or we just need to have it have 2 variants again, one with the normal layout and one trading the sidearm for an equipment slot.