Noob tank much? You do realize that the blasters are designed for the sole purpose of taking out infantry only. Rails are designed to Bust vehicles. This means there is no balance between them in 1vs1 fights as intended.

Noob tank much? You do realize that the blasters are designed for the sole purpose of taking out infantry only. Rails are designed to Bust vehicles. This means there is no balance between them in 1vs1 fights as intended.

I do agree that tanks need to be better adjusted between tiers. No skill double damage mod is ********. Truthfully all damage mods, infantry and tank, makes the game unbalanced and should be completely removed from the game.

Another key issue that makes tank vs tank fights unfair is the map design. High terrain in the redzones should not exist. That terrain could still be in those locations, just no longer as the redzone. Also calling in a madruger onto towers is unacceptable.

So you think that a rail should just kill a blaster without a fair fight? If I'm in a blaster tank that costs 450k isk, do you think I should run like a girl into the redline and recall if I see a junky rail? I'm not a scrub, I'll stand my ground and outplay them until one of us dies.

I'd agree on the Dmg mods, removing them from game completely would solve a lot of problems. All they do is amplify the imbalances.
I like your red zone idea, my suggestion would be to have the battlefield at a higher elevation than any point in the red zone. CCP needs to stop catering to the redline scrubs that pad their kdr while not participating in battle.

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3) Dropship: should be a highly agile, high alpha strike vehicle with paper thin defenses. It is a hit an run vehicle meant to take out entrenched HAVs. Redline rail tanks are a huge problem because the lack the alpha to kill them in general, let alone the redline, and lack the base agility to evade the tracking of a rail tank. The assault variant should be smaller with only 2-3 seats total (pilot + 2 gunners) with significant acceleration and maneuverability over than troop transport version.

So you think that a rail should just kill a blaster without a fair fight? If I'm in a blaster tank that costs 450k isk, do you think I should run like a girl into the redline and recall if I see a junky rail?

That would be a light gunship, dude.

Let the dropship be a DROPSHIP.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but what Ive been saying is that it is fair fight. The rail most likely is going to win as intended by ccp. Blasters (especially previous build madruger pilots with the glitched overly strong repps) were used to being able to survive easily against gunnlogi rails due to the said glitch. You all are just so used to the blaster being the king of infantry and vehicle combat due to this known bug. This was simply not allowing the rail from being effective.

Now its balanced, but your infantry killing spree is at an end due to AV tanks busting up your spawn camping parties. Now there are consequences as well as counters to prevent you from doing so. This is why it is now balanced.

First off, with 1.7, blaster were indirectly nerfed through the removal of the scattered variant. Scattered blasters did about 10% more damage with no reduction to RoF, range, etc.
Rails received a MASSIVE buff. Previously, rail tanks could not even see an installation, tank, or player that was 100m away. Now they can see out to 600m, there full effective range. On top of this, dmg was increased tremendously. MLT rail was buffed from 940 dmg to 1450 dmg. With the addition of dmg mods, a MLT Sica with 2 MLT dmg mods can 2 shot any shield tank without an active hardener or heavy shield extender. The turret itself received a 50% dmg buff plus close to 60% dmg buff from dmg mods, which were previously not viable due to cost and fitting.

Glass cannon tanks are a major problem for serious tankers and ruin the fun of tanking. Even a well built madrugar can die in 2 hits to a glass cannon tank. Typically, you never know your about to be hit. Once you do take the first hit, its too late and your going to die regardless. With the many bowl maps, where there are mountains surrounding the battlefield, many tankers who would much rather fight on the field cant do so because there is always some noob who sits in the red line with a rail gun.

Rail guns are low risk, and therefore, should be low reward. BUT they have 6x the range of a blaster, allowing them to sit in the redline AND have MUCH MUCH higher dps. ALSO, rail tanks in the red line always stack dmg mods. They dont get shot at so they dont need survivability, therefore making dmg mods useful.

So lets do the math.

STD/MLT rail
3 shots 1.3 apart = 2.6 seconds and does 4350 dmg with no dmg mods or about 6800 with 2 dmg mods
NO dmg mods ==> 1673 dps
2 dmg mods ==> 2615 dps

STD Blaster
105 dmg .14 sec fire interval = 7.14 rounds per second
no dmg mods ==> 750 dps

The rail has a massive advantage and I know someone is going to comment on my rail math so here's the explanation:
Rails have a .3 sec charge up for the first shot and 1.3 sec fire interval after that. My dps calculations are based on the time interval that the tank is taking dmg. The other major issue is the factor of surprise. Most players do not know that the tank 600m away is about to shoot them. So they dont know they need to use their hardener. If they are shield tanking, one hit from a railgun makes their hardener nearly useless. If they are using an armor tank, they have a few seconds to get behind cover before they die. Note that a rail can 2 shot a madrugar, meaning you have 1.3 secs to get that slow tank moving and behind cover......it takes 3 seconds to turn 90 degrees

So why do we have glass cannon tanks? because you can spend 80k isk on a redline rail tank and destroy tanks that cost 300-450k isk with ease......how is this balanced?

My proposal:
1. Nerf rail dmg by a minimum of 25%
2. Limit tanks to 1 damage mod
3. Nerf dmg mods to +20% dmg

Other considerations:
Nerf Shield and armor hardeners as follows:
Armor / shield
MLT 25 / 40
Basic 30 / 45
Enh 35 / 52.5
Complex 40 / 60

Leave cooldown times as they are.

A tanker should have substantially more survivability than a non tanker.
This is no different from a player with 20mil sp into infantry using a proto suit having an advantage over someone with 0 sp into infantry in a mlt suit.

Make tanks worth specializing in. Currently, putting millions of sp into tanks helps, but you will still die to the noob with 0 allocated sp sitting in the redline with mlt rail and mlt dmg mods.

i say those damage mods r there to hit through your hardeners?


sure they can do some massive damage. but its the only capable of killing an extremely hardened tank.
tank vs tank combat it self is more balanced. your complaining about a glass cannon.
its made of glass. even a mlt nub with av can kill it easily.

how ever your much stronger std tank is not made of glass. u see where im going with this?

if we were to nerf mlt vehicles we r going to see some massive problems.

0 sp invested vehicles rnt much of a threat for me. what i do see as a threat is that std tank over there. 30-40% better than my mlt glass cannon. it could have a hardener some armor modules and damage mods while im just limited to a few modules unable to fill all my slots up.

sure it may have the power of a rapid fire breach forgegun. but it still overheats and pilots who play smart can avoid getting killed by it.


u brought a durable tank that also has decent firepower while i got out a rather weak tank with great firepower.

majority of the times when ive killed an enemy tank with my glass cannon. i had to catch it while it was unaware.

if it saw me first im dead. at the same time i also have to worry a single mlt swarmlauncher hitting me. because of the such pitiful amount of hp i have on my sica.

std tanks have the advantage in more slots. pg/cpu to fit with. and obviously alot more sp invested into it.

wtf ? "Glass cannon tanks are a major problem for serious tankers and ruin the fun of tanking"

"blaster were indirectly nerfed through the removal of the scattered variant. Scattered blasters did about 10% more damage with no reduction to RoF, range, etc.
Rails received a MASSIVE buff. Previously, rail tanks could not even see an installation, tank, or player that was 100m away. Now they can see out to 600m, there full effective range. On top of this, dmg was increased tremendously. MLT rail was buffed from 940 dmg to 1450 dmg. With the addition of dmg mods, a MLT Sica with 2 MLT dmg mods can 2 shot any shield tank without an active hardener or heavy shield extender. The turret itself received a 50% dmg buff plus close to 60% dmg buff from dmg mods, which were previously not viable due to cost and fitting.

Glass cannon tanks are a major problem for serious tankers and ruin the fun of tanking. Even a well built madrugar can die in 2 hits to a glass cannon tank. Typically, you never know your about to be hit. Once you do take the first hit, its too late and your going to die regardless. With the many bowl maps, where there are mountains surrounding the battlefield, many tankers who would much rather fight on the field cant do so because there is always some noob who sits in the red line with a rail gun.

Rail guns are low risk, and therefore, should be low reward. BUT they have 6x the range of a blaster, allowing them to sit in the redline AND have MUCH MUCH higher dps. ALSO, rail tanks in the red line always stack dmg mods. They dont get shot at so they dont need survivability, therefore making dmg mods useful."


Dud there are so meany things that are messed up with your logic ..... HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN PLAYING Dust 514 ???
Do you even play WoT to call your self a "serious tanker"
Bro HTFU or leave this game or at lest dont post trash like this .

I do agree that tanks need to be better adjusted between tiers. No skill double damage mod is ********. Truthfully all damage mods, infantry and tank, makes the game unbalanced and should be completely removed from the game.

Noob tank much? You do realize that the blasters are designed for the sole purpose of taking out infantry only. Rails are designed to Bust vehicles. This means there is no balance between them in 1vs1 fights as intended.

I do agree that tanks need to be better adjusted between tiers. No skill double damage mod is ********. Truthfully all damage mods, infantry and tank, makes the game unbalanced and should be completely removed from the game.

Another key issue that makes tank vs tank fights unfair is the map design. High terrain in the redzones should not exist. That terrain could still be in those locations, just no longer as the redzone. Also calling in a madruger onto towers is unacceptable.

This is where you are wrong, as well as many other people. If a madrugar is geared for max survivability, it can be killed in 2-3 hits with a hardener. In that 1.3-2.6 secs, a blaster will NOT kill a glass cannon.

The glass cannon tanks have more dmg and less survivability but their ttk is so fast that their survivability doesnt matter.

Think of it as being like a proto shotgun scout with a bunch of dmg mods and 600m range on the shotgun. Survivability doesnt matter...