Aisha , If you look around I am pretty sure I have read a CPM post stating otherwise

thanks for clearing that up Aisha...

And @ Fire of P... of course they will be useful to an extent but look at the cost,
a scout will sacrifice their fitting to use cloaks, gimping our suits..
along with no contribution to squads via links/hives/revives/RE/PE/scanners

All of this to be partially invisible, with a HP max of 300 if lucky

As a Plasma Cannon user I get what you are saying about under-rated items
still being useful if used effectively, but a commando has always had a decent base HP
along with 2 light weapons and an equipment slot, I've never underrated the commando
It has the ability to support any good squad .....

Being an invisible Gimp is a different story, I don't see how a cloaked scout is going
to out-do a fast scout IMO once we adapt to seeing cloaks used, they will be ineffective

Yes , as I said I will need to test myself and I do not have fitting costs...
what I do know is that if I have to sacrifice equipment, and any of the fitting currently available
then the suit won't be worth running V MLT gear.....

Anyone who consistently runs scout knows that sacrificing this for a cloak will
inevitably ruin our ability to contribute to the team...

Why wait and see when we can express our views and
potentially have it changed before it is implemented

I agree with you on one point, the more threads I read the less I want one,
As for being scannable??? Are u crazy??? what is the point in cloaks if you are scannable???

Cloaks are almost ready to be released which is a very good thing,
but I want to look at the practical uses of a cloak in Dust514

So as far as I have picked up, you need to activate/deactivate cloak and wait out any cooldown time
You won't be able to engage in combat or do anything else while cloaked..
'Shimmer' effect while moving.... which is the polite way of saying, 'we can see you dip****'

So scouts lose their equipment, and their CPU/PG to using a cloak
In return they have the ability to hide, and contribute no WP to their squad

ehmmm... I don't see the point here... maybe I have missed something...

Because from what I have seen, this is only bad news for scouts...
We can no longer provide uplinks or AV or even some ammo ....
But thank god we can move about with this pretty shimmer while being unable to fight

This game is full of people trying to kill you... If anyone thinks invisible scouts will save you
from the deaths a normal scout gets you are wrong ....

All this does is make it easier for scouts to sneak up on guys not paying attention...
Which is about all the scout does anyway ....

I understand that firing while cloaked could **** people off, but you are asking scouts to give up

- Equipment
- Fitting cost... (Speed/HP/DMG/Dampeners)
- Ability to use weapon, without delay

I'm still hopeful that the cloaks can be implemented in a useful way, but so far I don't see it

Why wait and see when we can express our views and
potentially have it changed before it is implemented

I agree with you on one point, the more threads I read the less I want one,
As for being scannable??? Are u crazy??? what is the point in cloaks if you are scannable???

I think a cloak would be a good way to lose the enemy if they see me.

Just round around the corner, cloak, and stay still with knives charged.

All they have to do is scan the area with their gun reticle, wait for it to turn red, then kill you.

If they give scouts an additional equipment slot then the cloak will be exceptionally useful: ghosting through an enemy position that is completely fortified from a full frontal assault and dropping a single uplink behind them...hehe. Sounds good, doesn't it?

It's a very tactical piece of equipment that'll take brains and imagination to get the best use out of it. I'm all for more of that kind of thing in my games.

And yeah, scouts/lights need a boost. The cloak isn't a *scout* boost.

Why would a sniper use a cloak? Simple answer: they wouldn't unless they are a logi. In fact, even on my logi-sniper fit I wouldn't use the cloak because it'll have a higher fitting cost than the wiyrkomi triage.
Sniping in this game is underpowered, hated by the DEVs, intentionally made ineffective by map design since Uprising began, and the damage is too low to kill ADV or PRO gear effectively.
The typical sniper will use every high slot for damage mod, get 1-3 nanohives, and as much armor plates in the lows as they can fit.
Snipers in Uprising are the mosquitoes of this game. They are annoying, they hurt but don't kill, nearly impossible to swat, but even if you do they just come back.

Logi with a Shotgun is going to be no more or no less effective than a scout with a shotgun. With the loss of the dampening effect of the Scout operation skill, it'll take 2 dampeners for both the Med-Frame and the Light-Frame to avoid proto scanners (and 4 complex profile dampeners to avoid a Gal-Logi's proto scanner).
The shotgun itself is just like the sniper rifle, it depends on that high damage from the first shot as its DPS is very low. Shotguns one-hit-kill STD suits, 2 shots from ADV suits, 2 shots fro PRO Assault, 3-4 Shots for PRO Logi, and Heavies take 3-5 shots depending on level of gear using.

If you're running against protogear, be afraid of the stealth'ed CR or aRR, because they have significantly higher DPS, and when it takes more than 1 full second to kill a suit- and it does for a shotgun- those Fine Rifles are going to be more deadly

Unless significant improvements to Scout's base stats for profile signature, scan radius, scan precision, movement speed, and sprint speed, the return of a proto scout's 6th slot, and a second equipment slot there is absolutely no real reason a Logi will not out perform a scout.

hopefully the error of making a cloaking device an equipment slot will show how terrible an idea this was and just how dreadfully underpowered a scout suit is.

btw, I'm not just complaining about these things, I've been a scout-sniper since closed beta, and over the course of uprising I've accrued access to Caldari Logi, Gallente Logi, and Amarr Assault at proto levels; Caldari & Gallente Assault and Amarr Logi at ADV level, and 4 proto light weapons, 3 proto sidearms, (nova knives at lvl 1) and the other 6 light weapons at lvl 3
And what I don't have access to on this character, I have several alts that specialize in those weapons and suits

Cloak is not for scouts, it is for logistics suits. Cloak is not for snipers or shotgunners, it is for people running around with 1 of the 4 Fine Rifles.

Cloaks are almost ready to be released which is a very good thing,
but I want to look at the practical uses of a cloak in Dust514

So as far as I have picked up, you need to activate/deactivate cloak and wait out any cooldown time
You won't be able to engage in combat or do anything else while cloaked..
'Shimmer' effect while moving.... which is the polite way of saying, 'we can see you dip****'

So scouts lose their equipment, and their CPU/PG to using a cloak
In return they have the ability to hide, and contribute no WP to their squad

ehmmm... I don't see the point here... maybe I have missed something...

Because from what I have seen, this is only bad news for scouts...
We can no longer provide uplinks or AV or even some ammo ....
But thank god we can move about with this pretty shimmer while being unable to fight

This game is full of people trying to kill you... If anyone thinks invisible scouts will save you
from the deaths a normal scout gets you are wrong ....

All this does is make it easier for scouts to sneak up on guys not paying attention...
Which is about all the scout does anyway ....

I understand that firing while cloaked could **** people off, but you are asking scouts to give up

- Equipment
- Fitting cost... (Speed/HP/DMG/Dampeners)
- Ability to use weapon, without delay

I'm still hopeful that the cloaks can be implemented in a useful way, but so far I don't see it

Provided:

Scouts are unscannable while cloaked
Scouts given a Second Eq Slot
Scouts given a Scan Radius buff to 30m

It'll be a great addition.
Otherwise it'll be pointless, especially if you are scannable.

There are major changes coming in Dust. The reveal of the SISI stats is proof of this. What those changes are and what they are not is something everyone is keen on.

I'm worried that it will be so OP that everyone will be blindly, invisibly bumbling around a battlefield and cloaking tools are so OP that they literally will be the only way to play.

Also, I'm a little concerned that the Gallente Logi seems to be potentially typecast into the role of info gatherer. And for that matter that Scouts in general seem to be forced to use a cloak or waste their skill bonuses.

cloaks being OP is always a concern but they changes some people want for cloaks would just make them useless and more hindering then helping.

So I do hope cloaks aren't OP when they come out but I also don't want another useless item in Dust, ie precision enhancers and plasma cannon.

thanks for clearing that up Aisha...

And @ Fire of P... of course they will be useful to an extent but look at the cost,
a scout will sacrifice their fitting to use cloaks, gimping our suits..
along with no contribution to squads via links/hives/revives/RE/PE/scanners

All of this to be partially invisible, with a HP max of 300 if lucky

As a Plasma Cannon user I get what you are saying about under-rated items
still being useful if used effectively, but a commando has always had a decent base HP
along with 2 light weapons and an equipment slot, I've never underrated the commando
It has the ability to support any good squad .....

Being an invisible Gimp is a different story, I don't see how a cloaked scout is going
to out-do a fast scout IMO once we adapt to seeing cloaks used, they will be ineffective

If you read the new Dev blog, how it's sounding, we're probably getting another eq. slot.

What new dev blog?

This one. Read #6.

O....that's old :p