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Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1491	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:38:00 - [1] - Quote With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 275	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:41:00 - [2] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. i guess I use a tablet so beware of typos
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3794	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:45:00 - [3] - Quote Good luck getting support, every time I suggest something like this the EZmode rifle users jump on my rod. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
BLACKEST GUY WarRavens League of Infamy 0	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:56:00 - [4] - Quote I'd support it, the MD doesn't to be the next FOTM, but it does need to get a little more competitive in this game. I don't exactly want to run one and have people thinking " Dang, this guy must be a noob, using a MD. Oh well, at least he can't kill anyone aims and shoots the bejesus out of the MDer using an ACR LOL"
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1649	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:10:00 - [5] - Quote I've been having some success with the MD recently, but realize, I consider success being the huge amounts of kill assists I end up with. I've been using the ADV Assault MD, with a Single damage mod. I use it on my Minnie Assault suit for a decent sidearm. I run with my squad, and every time I see a cluster even start to appear, I throw down a hive and start spamming Fluxes and MD. It works great at forcing people out of areas, and is still an excellent area denial weapon. I take an area on a map and basically say "No hives, uplinks, or shield regen for you here" and even though it doesn't kill, it stops people from passing through. I was helping my team pin down troops inside of A on Gallente research facility. I thew down my K-2's and spammed MD and Fluxes at everyone who spawned into the center area. They moved into the objective area and the other room. I focused on the other room, and spammed Assault MD into that area. I used it to force them into terrible tactical positions. Not much happened. And then someone flanked them. +30 +30 +30 +30 I was playing with a squad, and they got a few chuckles from me saying "Sooooo many assists. I think I just got around 3 kills worth of WP from that. It's a niche, but it still does it's job well. EDIT: Yes I realize that 304 isn't 200 WP. I did get a few kills in between, but only reallly 1 or 2. Mainly people who couldn't get out of the way in time, or idiots that ran into my barrage. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57* Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 244	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:16:00 - [6] - Quote Was better when you lived long enough to pop in and out of cover, now poping out usualy ends up losing your head. Might start using one again tho t discorage myself from leaving cover... ever
Rusty Shallows 722	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:18:00 - [7] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies snip I will cry tears of joy on the day my Fatty walks through multiple grenade explosions mowing down Mercs with an HMG. Back on topic, when on my alt I kind of enjoy how less common MD users are post explosive radius change. It's been nice for killing people who are forced into cover by blue-dots or violent room-clearing spam. Although my Alt does logi work not slaying. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 92	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:43:00 - [8] - Quote Heavy bros deserve their MD resistance but everyone else right now just shrugs off the MD thanks to the new rifles. I have a feeling that long gone are the days where I could drop a nanohive in a corridor and do my best Gandalf "You shall not pass!" impression.
McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 422	Posted - 2014.01.09 05:45:00 - [9] - Quote MD definitely needs some buffing. With rifles being instant death hoses (+AA) it can barely deny areas let alone kill things. I'm glad heavies are getting an explosive resistance though. It was sad how easy they were to kill. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1619	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:28:00 - [10] - Quote Don't forget that the MD will get a 10% ROF bonus as long as you use an Assault suit... A 700 + HP Cal Assault suit With Gauged hives and 2 damage mods + Freedom massdriver might be a very solid setup.... http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 464	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:31:00 - [11] - Quote Why not buff the Flaylock while they're at it? I'd really like that.
Seeth Mensch Hawkborn Brotherhood IMMORTAL REGIME 112	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:38:00 - [12] - Quote I used to love my MD. But yesterday, I walked up to some guy hacking the turret and needed 3 shots to take him down. Three. two direct hits, and then he ran around and flailed a bit, so the last managed to catch him, barely. He was just an assault suit! and he STILL NEARLY WON. I had a smidgen of life left. I can't even pretend that an MD has a strict use other than causing fear in the newberries. Everyone else charges through everything I can dish with it. So...sigh...points finally go into an AR. I surrender. My scifi shooter has left me with...a rifle. I wanted lasers and explosions, dammit! Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:41:00 - [13] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. Sounds good to me. And if it turns out that it regains it's "OMGOPQQ" status we'll have the first winner of CCPs NerfBuffNerf Olympics, Explosive Weapons category. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 797	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:47:00 - [14] - Quote Seeth Mensch wrote: I used to love my MD. But yesterday, I walked up to some guy hacking the turret and needed 3 shots to take him down. Three. two direct hits, and then he ran around and flailed a bit, so the last managed to catch him, barely. He was just an assault suit! and he STILL NEARLY WON. I had a smidgen of life left. I can't even pretend that an MD has a strict use other than causing fear in the newberries. Everyone else charges through everything I can dish with it. So...sigh...points finally go into an AR. I surrender. My scifi shooter has left me with...a rifle. I wanted lasers and explosions, dammit! Was he in a shield tanked suit by any chance? 'Cause the MD still chews up armour, even with only splash damage. Not saying the MD couldn't use a small buff though - perhaps a direct damage increase, and maybe a small splash radius increase.
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 627	Posted - 2014.01.09 07:33:00 - [15] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Was better when you lived long enough to pop in and out of cover, now poping out usualy ends up losing your head. Might start using one again tho t discorage myself from leaving cover... ever You'll never leave anyway because if you fire MD from cover it will explode in your face from hitting invisible edges. "Because beer, that's why."
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 74	Posted - 2014.01.09 08:18:00 - [16] - Quote Instead of buffing the mass driver, I'd say nerf the rifles by 20% dps GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 722	Posted - 2014.01.09 14:48:00 - [17] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. I think when you Put an EC3/Boundless on an Assault suit it should get that 10% ROF bonus. It'd be interesting to test it out then. It would be interesting to see how that'd work out on a Min Assault suit
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3821	Posted - 2014.01.09 14:55:00 - [18] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Why not buff the Flaylock while they're at it? I'd really like that. Yes please, I want my weapon back that the FOTM train stole from me. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2105	Posted - 2014.01.09 15:22:00 - [19] - Quote Automatic weapons were balanced against high Alpha weapons before the Hit Detection fix. Now Automatic Weapons are too strong, while high Alpha weapons are about where they should be. If they fix TTK by reducing automatic weapon damage, the high Alpha weapons like the Mass Driver, Shot Gun, Sniper Rifle etc. should be fine. With the exception of the Mass Driver against Heavies, but my impression is that discrepancy is intended. If they fix TTK by increasing the base health of all suits across the board, then all the High Alpha weapons will have to be buffed proportionally. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2105	Posted - 2014.01.09 15:34:00 - [20] - Quote Seeth Mensch wrote: I used to love my MD. But yesterday, I walked up to some guy hacking the turret and needed 3 shots to take him down. Three. two direct hits, and then he ran around and flailed a bit, so the last managed to catch him, barely. He was just an assault suit! and he STILL NEARLY WON. I had a smidgen of life left. I can't even pretend that an MD has a strict use other than causing fear in the newberries. Everyone else charges through everything I can dish with it. So...sigh...points finally go into an AR. I surrender. My scifi shooter has left me with...a rifle. I wanted lasers and explosions, dammit! 3 shots? 2 being direct hits? Maybe it is a bit under what it should be then. It is sort of hard sometimes to determine if high Alpha weapons are exactly where they should be, with Automatic Weapons being sooo OP right now. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2105	Posted - 2014.01.09 15:38:00 - [21] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: EDIT: All this talk of buffing the Mass Driver - how do you think the poor Laser Rifle feels... Good News: I saw a Blue say that the Laser Rifle needs love. Bad News: They have not got around to figuring out what to do with it yet. So it might be a while. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2105	Posted - 2014.01.09 15:40:00 - [22] - Quote Marad''er wrote: Instead of buffing the mass driver, I'd say nerf the rifles by 20% dps This is the fix to TTK that I favor. But the QQ from the masses might make the servers smoke. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
trraacx Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 59	Posted - 2014.01.09 15:50:00 - [23] - Quote I haven't seen a mass driver or a lazer rifle for at least 3 weeks now.
Doc Lawz Butcher's Nails 3	Posted - 2014.01.09 16:15:00 - [24] - Quote I still use a Mass Driver to great success. it is simple , know your role. 1 vs. 1 flat ground, having the low ground - you will get owned. High ground , hanging back firing into a a small room with an uplink - winning. depending on the map the mass driver works just fine, I would suggest to always use flux grenades with it to get rid of the pesky shields. If you find the right spot , you can rack up kills rather quickly.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3940	Posted - 2014.01.12 09:18:00 - [25] - Quote Doc Lawz wrote: I still use a Mass Driver to great success. it is simple , know your role. 1 vs. 1 flat ground, having the low ground - you will get owned. High ground , hanging back firing into a a small room with an uplink - winning. depending on the map the mass driver works just fine, I would suggest to always use flux grenades with it to get rid of the pesky shields. If you find the right spot , you can rack up kills rather quickly. You must stand still while being shot because the only time I know absolutely engaging is a bad idea is if they're above me, and I'm a scout that's been in PC. (many many times) Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 203	Posted - 2014.01.12 09:28:00 - [26] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. Generic assault bonus needs to be to fitting cost of damage mods and minmatar assault bonus needs to be +5% to ammo carried for projectile and explosive weapons (md, cr, flaylock, smg, precision rifle). This would allow a minmatar assault to run a very effective md + smg fit.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 704	Posted - 2014.01.12 10:59:00 - [27] - Quote Leave the damage, give it alot more ammo. Mass driver is for suppressing people so it should have lots of ammo to spam grenades and block paths without running dry.
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 103	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:04:00 - [28] - Quote Whilst I have no issues with the general thrust of the OP's idea, I do have a problem with the constant cycle of buffing and nerfing that seems to be going on lately; the overall effect is one of unwanted power creep. It's not that MD are bad, the issue lies in a bunch of other stuff that's getting indirect (via suit bonus) buffs. This is what happens when you release content piecemeal that should have been dropped in one big, tested, balanced lump. Tone rifles back. Drop the 10% damage buff that we got as a hot fix for the broken hit detection and someone, somewhere look at our light weapons all at once with an eye to making them all viable for the majority of suits. Dedicated Commando. So it's a good job KDR doesn't bother me, really.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5492	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:14:00 - [29] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. Generic assault bonus needs to be to fitting cost of damage mods and minmatar assault bonus needs to be +5% to ammo carried for projectile and explosive weapons (md, cr, flaylock, smg, precision rifle). This would allow a minmatar assault to run a very effective md + smg fit. Fitting bonus to dmods would sway the balance too much in favor of Gal Assault. I'm saying this as one myself. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
trollface dot jpg The Bacon Corporation 118	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:18:00 - [30] - Quote Any time people bring up MD buffs, I think back to my last match against Regular Trooper and think what it would have been like if he'd had MORE DPS while spamming MD rounds in his assault CK.0. Then I think "No". MD is, once again for those who missed it before, a support weapon. Not a slayer weapon. Which is why it's not got a DPS as high as say the AR's or the HMG's. It's meant for mopping up or softening targets and supression, not for wiping out hoards of people. An ammo capacity increase would be fine, and honestly I'd like to see the reload be like the shotty where you reload one round at a time so you can interrupt your reload cycle to attack. Possibly increase the proectile travel time a tad or tweak the reload speed, maybe even increase the range a bit, but adding damage is trying to make it a slayer weapon, which is not it's role. That's like adding range to a shotty or adding accuracy and range to an HMG or removing recoil and sway from sniper rifles, it increases the size of it's niche and causes everything else to need to be rebalanced in order to bring everything back into alignment with it. Damage, ammo capacity and RoF are the balancing stats for the MD that keep it from being OP, much like accuracy and range are for the shotty & HMG and sway and recoil are for the sniper rifle. That is what defines their niche. As irritating as his terrible grammar was..... I'm starting to miss Mr. Zitro.....

Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 81	Posted - 2014.01.12 12:12:00 - [31] - Quote Reply-weapons-514-[notyours] Hello,
Mortedeamor 1216	Posted - 2014.01.12 12:53:00 - [32] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: I've been having some success with the MD recently, but realize, I consider success being the huge amounts of kill assists I end up with. I've been using the ADV Assault MD, with a Single damage mod. I use it on my Minnie Assault suit for a decent sidearm. I run with my squad, and every time I see a cluster even start to appear, I throw down a hive and start spamming Fluxes and MD. It works great at forcing people out of areas, and is still an excellent area denial weapon. I take an area on a map and basically say "No hives, uplinks, or shield regen for you here" and even though it doesn't kill, it stops people from passing through. I was helping my team pin down troops inside of A on Gallente research facility. I thew down my K-2's and spammed MD and Fluxes at everyone who spawned into the center area. They moved into the objective area and the other room. I focused on the other room, and spammed Assault MD into that area. I used it to force them into terrible tactical positions. Not much happened. And then someone flanked them. +30 +30 +30 +30 I was playing with a squad, and they got a few chuckles from me saying "Sooooo many assists. I think I just got around 3 kills worth of WP from that. It's a niche, but it still does it's job well. EDIT: Yes I realize that 30*4 isn't 200 WP. I did get a few kills in between, but only reallly 1 or 2. Mainly people who couldn't get out of the way in time, or idiots that ran into my barrage. ive been running the boundless assault md with 2 heavies and the core focoes repper tool tbh i dont se the issue with the md..i slaughter with it ..my heavies get pissy and ask me to add more tank less gank to my amar ako logi..because i steal to many of they're kills..ona good note though it almost impossible for scouts to assassinate them without dealing with me first. and enemy equipment just gets annihilated . i am growing quite fond of this build core repper tool scanner gauged nano boundless md 1 light dmg mod 2 sidearm dmg mods 1 ishukone smg Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
Smoky The Bear The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 122	Posted - 2014.01.13 09:07:00 - [33] - Quote trollface dot jpg wrote: Any time people bring up MD buffs, I think back to my last match against Regular Trooper and think what it would have been like if he'd had MORE DPS while spamming MD rounds in his assault CK.0. Then I think "No". MD is not a slayer weapon. Which is why it's not got a DPS as high as say the AR's or the HMG's. It's meant for mopping up or softening targets and supression, not for wiping out hoards of people. An ammo capacity increase would be fine, and honestly I'd like to see the reload be like the shotty where you reload one round at a time so you can interrupt your reload cycle to attack. Possibly increase the proectile travel time a tad or tweak the reload speed, maybe even increase the range a bit, but adding damage is trying to make it a slayer weapon, which is not it's role. That's like adding range to a shotty or adding accuracy and range to an HMG or removing recoil and sway from sniper rifles, it increases the size of it's niche and causes everything else to need to be rebalanced in order to bring everything back into alignment with it. Damage, ammo capacity and RoF are the balancing stats for the MD that keep it from being OP, much like accuracy and range are for the shotty & HMG and sway and recoil are for the sniper rifle. That is what defines their niche. I just disagree with this whole line of thinking.. ya lets pick a weapon that softens people as our main build.. if it was a sidearm id say fine.. I have to be able to compete, but more importantly stay alive.. which is next to impossible unless you get lucky up somewhere with no snipers on the whole map ..fat chance on that one.. And why do you get to choose its role anyways? Its a grenade launcher im pretty sure we all know what a grenade going of in our face would be like irl.. You think you should be able to take 4 or 5 well aimed shots from my fully maxed out skill tree and proto everything in your effen militia suit? THey took the stuff that made the gun fun.. the arc.. the smoke.. the area denial.. and then they nerfed it HARd.. Then they came back next update and nerfed it again? lol.. I havent played this game for 5 months because of the first nerf, now they really have KILLED IT.. RIP
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 217	Posted - 2014.01.13 10:26:00 - [34] - Quote ANY ROF LESS THEN 400 IS WORTHLESS BUFF THE MD TO 400!!! heh no the MD is fine, plus their are enough MD hate threads out there as is, buffing it will only get it broken.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3989	Posted - 2014.01.13 10:36:00 - [35] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: ANY ROF LESS THEN 400 IS WORTHLESS BUFF THE MD TO 400!!! heh no the MD is fine, plus their are enough MD hate threads out there as is, buffing it will only get it broken. I haven't seen a MD hate thread in months, if it's not hated it's not preforming correctly. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
trollface dot jpg The Bacon Corporation 120	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:01:00 - [36] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: trollface dot jpg wrote: Any time people bring up MD buffs, I think back to my last match against Regular Trooper and think what it would have been like if he'd had MORE DPS while spamming MD rounds in his assault CK.0. Then I think "No". MD is not a slayer weapon. Which is why it's not got a DPS as high as say the AR's or the HMG's. It's meant for mopping up or softening targets and supression, not for wiping out hoards of people. An ammo capacity increase would be fine, and honestly I'd like to see the reload be like the shotty where you reload one round at a time so you can interrupt your reload cycle to attack. Possibly increase the proectile travel time a tad or tweak the reload speed, maybe even increase the range a bit, but adding damage is trying to make it a slayer weapon, which is not it's role. That's like adding range to a shotty or adding accuracy and range to an HMG or removing recoil and sway from sniper rifles, it increases the size of it's niche and causes everything else to need to be rebalanced in order to bring everything back into alignment with it. Damage, ammo capacity and RoF are the balancing stats for the MD that keep it from being OP, much like accuracy and range are for the shotty & HMG and sway and recoil are for the sniper rifle. That is what defines their niche. I just disagree with this whole line of thinking.. ya lets pick a weapon that softens people as our main build.. if it was a sidearm id say fine.. I have to be able to compete, but more importantly stay alive.. which is next to impossible unless you get lucky up somewhere with no snipers on the whole map ..fat chance on that one.. And why do you get to choose its role anyways? Its a grenade launcher im pretty sure we all know what a grenade going of in our face would be like irl.. You think you should be able to take 4 or 5 well aimed shots from my fully maxed out skill tree and proto everything in your effen militia suit? THey took the stuff that made the gun fun.. the arc.. the smoke.. the area denial.. and then they nerfed it HARd.. Then they came back next update and nerfed it again? lol.. I havent played this game for 5 months because of the first nerf, now they really have KILLED IT.. RIP Not responding in any particular order, I just like numbers. 1. I didn't "choose it's role". It's role is based on how it performs, not on what someone describes it as. 2. This game is not "irl". This game is not supposed to be like things "irl". If you think it is supposed to reflect things "irl", may I point you to the glowing miniature wormhole that is the uplink? Or the massive self repairing hunks of indestructible metal that Dust calls tanks? Or how about the magical handheld beam of caring called the repair tool that can fix things from several meters away. 3. Never said anything about taking 4-5 shots from a MD in a militia suit, let alone a maxed one. That's you putting words in my mouth. 4. The MD of Chromosome was much better, but it's hit detection was also terrible. This is because even though it had crap hit detection and low damage, it had decent ammo supplies, larger clips, a heavier jump effect on the target's crosshairs, a huge smoke cloud that obscured aim, and a more precise arc. It was a true area denial support weapon and I would love to return to it, but since no one wants to reduce the MD damage to the point that it accounts for chromosome's lack of hit detection, I don't see that happening. 5. Yeah, some people like to play support. That's why it's called a "support role". It may be a new concept to you, but believe it or not many people do quite well playing a support role and enjoy it immensely. 6. MD's got nerfed at the beginning of Uprising. Then they got buffed a few months later, with the fix they implemented for all explosives so that the blast radius' were all fixed and functioned properly. This also caused you to take damage twice though when the explosion hit both your head and your torso. SO this error in the coding was fixed, and hit detection was fixed on all weapons all around soon after that, so if you WANT to call that a nerf, that's on you, but they did not get nerfed again in Uprising. Dunno who you get your facts from buddy but I'd fire the guy. As irritating as his terrible grammar was..... I'm starting to miss Mr. Zitro.....
Alpha 443-6732 305	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:05:00 - [37] - Quote The mass driver is living in the past and needs to move on with his life. Because racism is realism
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 49	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:07:00 - [38] - Quote I don't know about you guys but I am very happy we dont see the god damn NOOB TUBES so much anymore. Flaylocks and Mass drivers are NOOB tubes and should be removed from the game.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 297	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:09:00 - [39] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. No. Stop asking buff for all weapons. Nerf the four main rifles instead. And add specific assault bonuses : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136497&find=unread BAM.
trollface dot jpg The Bacon Corporation 120	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:11:00 - [40] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: I don't know about you guys but I am very happy we dont see the god damn NOOB TUBES so much anymore. Flaylocks and Mass drivers are NOOB tubes and should be removed from the game. You sir are either the weakest troll I have ever seen, or the most empty-headed lout ever to post in these forums. While I attempt to decide which, feel free to delete Dust and never post here again. As irritating as his terrible grammar was..... I'm starting to miss Mr. Zitro.....

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4062	Posted - 2014.01.19 07:16:00 - [41] - Quote trollface dot jpg wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: I don't know about you guys but I am very happy we dont see the god damn NOOB TUBES so much anymore. Flaylocks and Mass drivers are NOOB tubes and should be removed from the game. You sir are either the weakest troll I have ever seen, or the most empty-headed lout ever to post in these forums. While I attempt to decide which, feel free to delete Dust and never post here again. Indeed. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2711	Posted - 2014.01.19 07:44:00 - [42] - Quote I'd like my smoke and shake back. 1 v 1 vs any rifle is suicide, so let it fulfill its support role. Let it sow shock and confusion if it isn't going to kill.
Seeth Mensch Hawkborn Brotherhood IMMORTAL REGIME 141	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:21:00 - [43] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Seeth Mensch wrote: I used to love my MD. But yesterday, I walked up to some guy hacking the turret and needed 3 shots to take him down. Three. two direct hits, and then he ran around and flailed a bit, so the last managed to catch him, barely. He was just an assault suit! and he STILL NEARLY WON. I had a smidgen of life left. I can't even pretend that an MD has a strict use other than causing fear in the newberries. Everyone else charges through everything I can dish with it. So...sigh...points finally go into an AR. I surrender. My scifi shooter has left me with...a rifle. I wanted lasers and explosions, dammit! 3 shots? 2 being direct hits? Maybe it is a bit under what it should be then. It is sort of hard sometimes to determine if high Alpha weapons are exactly where they should be, with Automatic Weapons being sooo OP right now. In case you're wondering, it's an EXO-5 mass driver, and I have 2 points in proficiency. I don't think I had any damage mods, if I did, it would be 10-14%. Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Seeth Mensch Hawkborn Brotherhood IMMORTAL REGIME 141	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:23:00 - [44] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Whilst I have no issues with the general thrust of the OP's idea, I do have a problem with the constant cycle of buffing and nerfing that seems to be going on lately; the overall effect is one of unwanted power creep. It's not that MD are bad, the issue lies in a bunch of other stuff that's getting indirect (via suit bonus) buffs. This is what happens when you release content piecemeal that should have been dropped in one big, tested, balanced lump. Tone rifles back. Drop the 10% damage buff that we got as a hot fix for the broken hit detection and someone, somewhere look at our light weapons all at once with an eye to making them all viable for the majority of suits. Well spoken. +1 Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4200	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:26:00 - [45] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Don't forget that the MD will get a 10% ROF bonus as long as you use an Assault suit... A 700 + HP Cal Assault suit With Gauged hives and 2 damage mods + Freedom massdriver might be a very solid setup.... While this is a great build (my friend Ruunt uses it), there doesn't solve the problem. A weapon needs to be good, if not best with it's respective race's suit(s). Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2938	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:27:00 - [46] - Quote Maybe if you guys actually used the Mass Driver in it's niche location you'd find that your cries are less correct. Not saying it's not lagging, but I'm also saying it's not so bad. I've had more Breach MD kills this build than any past build. Rifle Changes: DPS, range, and damage
fawkuima juggalo Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 898	Posted - 2014.01.30 07:10:00 - [47] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. Get with skills and forget the noob tube =P - LOGI REGISTRY, *LIBRARY, AND H.O.F. -
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1787	Posted - 2014.01.31 00:23:00 - [48] - Quote fawkuima juggalo wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. Get with skills and forget the noob tube =P noob tube? id like to see your TRY and get as many kills with a mass driver as an assault rifle. The impact is instant. The range is far superior. It's so much easier using a rifle than a mass driver that anyone who believes otherwise, is a noob, themselves. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 484	Posted - 2014.01.31 00:29:00 - [49] - Quote fawkuima juggalo wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. Get with skills and forget the noob tube =P I would agree if the MD 1-2 hit people but most suits take 4 or 5 rounds to kill. In that time you'd die three times over to nearly every other weapon. Director of ZionTCD Amarr Logi \| Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Scout (SoonGäó) TDBS
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4240	Posted - 2014.01.31 00:34:00 - [50] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Maybe if you guys actually used the Mass Driver in it's niche location you'd find that your cries are less correct. Not saying it's not lagging, but I'm also saying it's not so bad. I've had more Breach MD kills this build than any past build. The problem is, the Mass Driver's niche is easily outperformed by almost every weapon in existence. Along with that, the original Mass Driver was balanced around the lower HP values for armor. Now that Armor's been buffed, we have a weapon better used as a Potato Cannon. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!

Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1790	Posted - 2014.01.31 00:37:00 - [51] - Quote Atiim wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Maybe if you guys actually used the Mass Driver in it's niche location you'd find that your cries are less correct. Not saying it's not lagging, but I'm also saying it's not so bad. I've had more Breach MD kills this build than any past build. The problem is, the Mass Driver's niche is easily outperformed by almost every weapon in existence. Along with that, the original Mass Driver was balanced around the lower HP values for armor. Now that Armor's been buffed, we have a weapon better used as a Potato Cannon. not to mention how heavies are getting an exp resistance... Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1790	Posted - 2014.01.31 00:38:00 - [52] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: fawkuima juggalo wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. Get with skills and forget the noob tube =P I would agree if the MD 1-2 hit people but most suits take 4 or 5 rounds to kill. In that time you'd die three times over to nearly every other weapon. 4-5? If you're running a prof 5 double damage modded freedom, i guess. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 631	Posted - 2014.01.31 00:43:00 - [53] - Quote IR Scifi wrote: Heavy bros deserve their MD resistance but everyone else right now just shrugs off the MD thanks to the new rifles. I have a feeling that long gone are the days where I could drop a nanohive in a corridor and do my best Gandalf "You shall not pass!" impression. Yeah those days are long gone, the MD is now sadly underwhelming compared to any of the rifles, the only way I get MD kills or get killed by them is when I can't tell where the MD rounds are coming from, and even that happens more rarely because CCP figured the MD should be able to double as a flare gun. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4243	Posted - 2014.01.31 00:43:00 - [54] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Atiim wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Maybe if you guys actually used the Mass Driver in it's niche location you'd find that your cries are less correct. Not saying it's not lagging, but I'm also saying it's not so bad. I've had more Breach MD kills this build than any past build. The problem is, the Mass Driver's niche is easily outperformed by almost every weapon in existence. Along with that, the original Mass Driver was balanced around the lower HP values for armor. Now that Armor's been buffed, we have a weapon better used as a Potato Cannon. not to mention how heavies are getting an ehp resistance... Yep. The moment someone decides to bring a Caldari Sentinel is the moment that anyone with a Mass Driver might as well just commit suicide and leave battle. It'd save themselves a lot of time... Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
Sergeant Sazu Snow Pirates 3	Posted - 2014.01.31 01:53:00 - [55] - Quote Sorry to sound rude, but if you're not doing well with a Mass Driver, it's because you're not doing it right. I actually do better with a Mass Driver + Scrambler Pistol than my heavily skilled into Assault Rifle + Submachine Gun combo. Here's what you do: Flux Grenades. If you know the basics of weakness and resistance in this game, you'll strike first with those, then beat down their armor before they can get away. I take out many Prototype suits with this strategy. Run with a group. As correctly stated, it's very good for "softening" targets, plus you have someone to back you up in uphill fights. When in a disadvantageous situation by yourself, use your sidearm while backing up simultaneously. When their shield is gone, use the Mass Driver. (In medium range uphill fights, just get out of there) Jump a lot. Since you don't have to be perfectly accurate with a Mass Driver, you're at a somewhat advantage to rifle users. Goes best with a fast moving suit to compliment the jumping strategy. Also, use a suit with a sidearm. Definately the best crowd scatterer. Firing at hopefully unsuspecting crowds weakens all of them, perfect for your team to roll in and mop up. I get a few kills out of this myself. You can take out multiple equipment at once, even while fighting someone. All this doesn't apply to everyone, it's just advice. Don't hate, please. Yeah, it's a support weapon. Although it involves more assists than kills, it's incredibly useful to the team, realize it or not. Many don't use it because of less benefit to the user, but that's kinda the general mentality of a lot who play shooters. And you know what people do when I start unloading on them? They run. They flee, terrified, even if they outmatch me. Why? Because it's just such an intimidating weapon. It's scary to know that your attacker won't miss, and that they can still get you when you're behind cover. I hope I helped. :) I decided to whip out the Ishukone Assault Submachine Gun. * News reporter voice * ...And there were no survivors.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 349	Posted - 2014.01.31 02:07:00 - [56] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=139363&find=unread Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Help Shields
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 350	Posted - 2014.01.31 02:11:00 - [57] - Quote WEAPONS -the general TTK for all weapons needs a decrease right now, as it is currently too low -aim assist needs some tuning, preferably in the downward direction, especially for rifles, proposed fix would be what CCP is currently doing, as it sounds pretty good -weapons currently in need of a nerf: The rail rifle needs a huge reticle, more recoil, and a lot of hipfire spread, assault rail rifle needs a 5-10% damage per bullet decrease The combat rifle (non-assault) needs a longer time for each burst, and a longer delay in between each burst, probably with a fire rate of 1000, but a larger delay in between bursts. The assault combat rifle is fine where it is, it has its ammo guzzling problems to balance it out The scrambler rifle needs more bonus to charge shot damage, (25-50%) but less regular shot damage (5-10% nerf) and have 1-2 shots less until heat up The assault rifle needs a range nerf of about 15-25%, but to balance this out and make the CQC weapon it is meant to be, increase all variants fire rate by 10%, nerf damage by 5%. The TAR needs a larger mag cap, but also a fire delay in between rounds similar to the combat rifle -All sidearms other than Flaylock and Nova knives need a 5-7% nerf to damage -weapons in need of a buff: Laser rifle, however, CCP has announced a hot fix coming soon Mass driver-increase splash damage to make it area of denial weapon by say 10% Sniper Rifle- more of a bonus to headshot damage only, also, headshotted enemies cannot be revived, give a higher mag cap to tactical variants (6 rounds) Shotgun-needs a pellet buff at ADV and PRO levels only, probably 2 pellets at ADV, and 4 at PRO, breach needs an upgrade to mag cap and slight buff to fire rate Plasma cannon-DoT is something CCP had in mind, but is probably going to be hard toimplement, so if it doesnt work out, give it a 10-20% boost to direct damage Flaylock- increase splash radius by 1 meter, and you have a balanced weapon Nova knives- remove sprinting interrupt for all slashes, only should interrupt sprinting when charge reaches 100% for more than 1 second, and maybe even add a ballistic function- https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1784320#post1784320 Swarm Launcher-buff to 1.6 stats, except only 200m range Now onto modules MODULES The main modules that need their effectiveness reduced in comparison to other modules are MLT, STD, and ADV armor plates (non-variant), and damage mods. CCP plans on nerfing damage mods, so i will not comment on that these are some possible buffs to reduce armor and shield disparity- STD: (85 armor, 3 PG, 10 CPU) vs (33 shields, 2 PG, 15 CPU) ADV: (110 armor, 6 PG, 20 CPU) vs (55 shields, 4 PG, 36 CPU) PRO: (135 armor, 12 PG, 30 CPU) vs (70 shields, 8 PG, 54 CPU) if anything, the ludicrous costs of shield extenders need to be lowered especially in the pg departments for 3 reasons- 1. At proto level, (their only useful level), they only cost 1 pg less than proto plates, but 24 more cpu 2. Shield tankers (minmitar/caldari) have very low pg, but high cpu 3. Biotic modules which are supposed to be coupled with shields to create a hit and run style of suit cost the most pg of any module in the game, making them unfittable if the user also wants to stack shields In addition, Caldari and minmitar suits need an innate buff to shield recharge delay (not depleted) and recharge rate of about 15-25% ARMOR ALSO NEEDS A BUFF yes i said it. The penalties for movement speed for all plates are backwards in my opinion, and is part of the reason no one uses anything past ADV plates. A solution for this would be to make the penalty constant across all tiers, possibly a 3-4% penalty depending on common opinion. Also, ferroscales and reactive plates are a joke, and i dont even use armor. I think that ferroscales need a slight buff hp wise (5% ish), but should also have very low fitting costs. Reactive plates should have a lower penalty than other plates (1-2%), and have 1/2/3 hp/s respectively for each tier. Also, they are in need of a lower fitting cost by a lot like ferroscales. Also, armor repairers should be moved to high slots. I currently think it is unfair to armor tankers that shield tankers are able to use both high and low slots to tank their suit, while armor tankers must only use low slots. -proposed buff for armor repairers-3/4/5 hp/s per level, and moved to a high slot -Armor repair, however, should not work while taking fire, in other words, add a 1 sec delay after taking fire to armor repair -OTHER MODULES- kincats should affect strafing speed, codebreakers need a lower cpu/pg cost VEHICLES I wont even start trying to balance vehicles, there have been far too many threads on this topic already DROPSUITS When 1.8 comes around, we really are going to see some great new things from all suits. The sentinel gets its huge damage reduction, scouts get more modules, moer equipment, and a cloak to boot. commandos are huge dps dealers, and logis will actually perform their roles, and have gotten huge buffs to equipment usage. Overall, though assault and logi stats arent out yet, they seem very balanced, but give m scouts more base speed, and logi/assaults more base HP EQUIPMENT AND GRENADES The grenades are good, except for core locus and thukker. The core needs a slightly lower blast radius, and the thukker needs a small blast radius (packed at the most), but more damage (in the 400-500 range). Equipment seems to be good overall, as the active scanner is being turned into usable in only the way it is supposed to be used. I just want to see equipment spam being stopped, perhaps by having the limit for things like uplinks be for the total deployed, not the total deployed of each type. And thats it! did i forget anything? Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Help Shields
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2949	Posted - 2014.01.31 02:15:00 - [58] - Quote Atiim wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Maybe if you guys actually used the Mass Driver in it's niche location you'd find that your cries are less correct. Not saying it's not lagging, but I'm also saying it's not so bad. I've had more Breach MD kills this build than any past build. The problem is, the Mass Driver's niche is easily outperformed by almost every weapon in existence. Along with that, the original Mass Driver was balanced around the lower HP values for armor. Now that Armor's been buffed, we have a weapon better used as a Potato Cannon. IDK about that, seeing as how the Mass Driver's niche is high ground. If you thought mass driver's niche was cqc you are dead wrong. CQC MD doesn't happen anymore. If you didn't think that, if you thought Mass Driver + High Ground + 60 meters = Ding Ding Ding Ding! I'm not saying the Mass Driver doesn't need a hug right now, but really it's an overstatement to say it's a potato cannon. I come across mob-squads I take out my MD and Pistol and show em a thing or two. A couple things on MD I would like to see are better efficiency against vehicles ( I emptied over a clip into a shieldless sica and barely got it to like 30% armor) and a chromosome splash radius. After that I think you have a balanced Mass Driver because take the damage any further and we have 1.x again. The MD has been quoted as a "Support Weapon" and "Area Denial". These two statements are actually fairly true however I run my MD effectively as a "Half weapon". "Half Weapon" means that basically it relies on another weapon to aid it and when they are put together they are devastating. Most people are familiar with the MD as a "Half Weapon" already, using Flux nades. I tend to pair it up with my infamous scrambler pistol and pop the shields down and use my MD ammunition sparingly to finish off armor. It's a wonderful coupling however the MD ammunition cap is very small so it requires great attention. Basically, the mass driver works today and I would know because I love it. It's a little behind the curve, but let's not make it out worse than it actually is. Rifle Changes: DPS, range, and damage
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 173	Posted - 2014.01.31 02:34:00 - [59] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. "While it is true that the Scram. Rifle is good against shields...it still has the capacity to kill someone in a less amount of time than the MD. Arguably you could say that it is a support weapon that trades off it's killing power for the inclusion of the inherent AOE side effect of explosives, having the capacity to kill 2 enemies shield tanking while they stand together does not balance the weapon compared to other weapons that do not have that AOE effect...That all being said there is still room for increasing the radius to all the variants or just the Assault mass driver." This is how I still feel about the Mass Driver and best explains my position. The clip and viability of putting it on anything but a Logi suit due to the increased need for nano hives and the upcoming nerf for them, as you said, is not working and those need to be changed. My speculation on what would help with all the MD variants is increasing the splash radius with the Freedom MD while keeping the radius, increase the splash damage with the Assault MD keep the splash radius and perhaps just increase the direct damage with the Breach MD. The splash radius is the best part of this weapon and does not need to be a one on one weapon in par with a AR. The weirdest Dust player you ever met.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 921	Posted - 2014.01.31 03:08:00 - [60] - Quote i still use the mass driver on occasion now that my love afair with my new combat rifle is becomeing old hat. its a specialist weapon, a support weapon, much like the laser rifle and the sniper rifle even though people arnt using the sniper rifle for sqaud support... the mass driver is AMAZING as a supression and breach weapon. if your assaulting a dug in objective without a mass driver helping you out then its going to be harder then with one.

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 762	Posted - 2014.01.31 03:48:00 - [61] - Quote If this weapon was OP back in 1.4 and nothing changed besides the fact that new OP toys came out, what's the deal with the gun being broken? You just die faster now to more things and people are starting to shield tank again. That's why you're having problems, I think. I think it's alright where it's at. Then again, I only used it for one round.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 411	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:17:00 - [62] - Quote the md should be a support weapon, make splash range significantly larger and it will be that Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 411	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:23:00 - [63] - Quote Atiim wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Atiim wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Maybe if you guys actually used the Mass Driver in it's niche location you'd find that your cries are less correct. Not saying it's not lagging, but I'm also saying it's not so bad. I've had more Breach MD kills this build than any past build. The problem is, the Mass Driver's niche is easily outperformed by almost every weapon in existence. Along with that, the original Mass Driver was balanced around the lower HP values for armor. Now that Armor's been buffed, we have a weapon better used as a Potato Cannon. not to mention how heavies are getting an ehp resistance... Yep. The moment someone decides to bring a Caldari Sentinel is the moment that anyone with a Mass Driver might as well just commit suicide and leave battle. It'd save themselves a lot of time... unless your running the obvious choice of flux grenades with an anti armor weapon Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4550	Posted - 2014.01.31 04:25:00 - [64] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. I'll support this. I used to love using those things to beat up targets for my squad to finish them off, but nowadays I just laugh at people using them while I 3-shot them with my SB-39 Rail Rifle. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 55	Posted - 2014.01.31 07:27:00 - [65] - Quote as a heavy even i liked the MD but it is seriously UP its sad b/c its a cool weapon and is suposed to be for and i quote "area denial" which it cant even do anymore i could get behind an extra clip or like 1-2 % dmg buff to it KA-ME-HA-MEHAAAAAA the turtle hermit: professional Heavy
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1006	Posted - 2014.01.31 15:22:00 - [66] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: With heavies getting organic resistances to explsovies and assault suits getting a ROF bonus, slow firing weapons are out of favor and automatic weapons are becoming FAR superior. The MD also only works with logi suits, unless you're running an ishukone gauged nanohives on an assault, because the weapon eats an entire clip for 1 kill, sometimes. The weapon isn't terrible, though. Splash is fine, but with logi losing their assault role, it needs to be viable for ADB and STD suits (assault) as well. Adding 2 more extra clips would help and a very small splash damage buff would make it more relecant- I'd say 10%, because no DMG mods and the proto MDs are useless, 2 and they become terrifying. So 10% seems about right. MDs need an increase in Clip size and AOD .... Damage is fine, it's just the MD hit detection has been OFF post 1.7
Mad Syringe Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 58	Posted - 2014.01.31 16:21:00 - [67] - Quote The MD was slightly OP, before hitdetection fix and AA was implemented. Now its only good against groups, who do not get, where the rounds are coming from. As soon as they spot you, you're dead. If CCP does what I expect (10% damage reduction for all rifles sans lazor) then the MD should be decent again. Not OP, but decent. You would still have to be good with it, and if you stand still you will still be mowed down by the rifle crowd. Apart from that, the MD needs more ammo in the clip. Make it 8 rounds and 3 clips, so 24 instead of 18 for the standard. I would like to see the breach and the Assault, having the same rpm as the standard. So that it's basically just different ammo. Leading to the possibillity to switch said ammo... Also I'd like to see an ammo module (equipment slot) that allows the change of ammo types. It would be pretty much like a reprogramming of the rounds, needing a reload cycle to change. You would give up an quipment slot for the possibility to change ammo configuration. Further in the future, there could be plasma, flux and stun rounds... This would make it versatile and a perfect support weapon for the support logi crowd! Cheers Mad ps. btw, hit detection is fine as is... just the occasional match where you have probs, but that's only when lagfest is on... lol DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT increase the blast radius of any of the MD's period. We don't need another witchhunt because of the noobishness of it! If you can't hit things with it as is, you're a SCRUB period!


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