KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf, I have a question

Prerequisites: Advanced Gallente Light Frames including scout is 2 high 2 low which of course breaks the chain of progression in the suit. It's messed up and prevents the scout from ever having only 3 low slots at advanced.

The reason someone justified so was so an Advanced level scout could not slap on 3 MLT Profile dampeners and evade a prototype scanner. With the penalty accounted for, Level 3 scout (no dampening skills) and 2 MLT profile dampeners put the profile at 28 while the third would push it below to 25ish.

Considering that the Light Frames do not have an applicable scout skill, this could warrant them to have 3 low slots and 1 high slot instead of the current 2 H 2 L at advanced tier. This would help distinguish the Gallente Light Frame from the Gallente Scout as well. Would give a good reason to use it for other non-scoutly purposes, like armor tanking or speed tanking or rep tanking.

I don't understand which part of that was a question, but very good point with the slot thing.

Could that also be a change to light frames?

If this game was based on EVE online. this is what the Amarr dropsuits would look like at the proto level and with max shield and armor skills.

Punisher Amarr Drop suit (medium)Assault)
Amarr Drop suit skill bonus per level: 5% reduction to laser weapon PG/CPU per level
Amarr Assault drop suit skill bonus: 5% head build up reduction per level.
Amarr Assault drop Suit skill bonus: 5% armor RESISTENCE per level.
Light weapon, Side arm, Grenade, equipment.
High Slots 3
Low Slots 4
Shield Capacity 175 HP
Armor Hitpoints 250 HP


Inquisitor Amarr Drop suit (medium)logistics)
Amarr Drop suit skill bonus per level: 10% bonus to Remote Armor Repair repair amount
Amarr logistics suit bonus: 5% reduction to PG/CPU of equipment per level.
Amarr logistics suit bonus: 5% to Armor repairer range per level.
Light weapon, side arm. equipments
High Slots 3
Low Slots 4
Shield Capacity 113 HP
Armor Hitpoints 250 HP

[Specializations]
When Uprising 1.0 launched, I made this thread, basically the point was this:
The logistics and now the commando dropsuit are the only examples of specialization done right as of now. The logistics is very different from the basic mediums; giving up one thing to be very good at (or "specialize") something else. Likewise, the commando heavy specialization sacrifices HP and and the heavy weapon slot in exchange for 2 light weapons.

Make them useful, or jut remove them. If you remove them, make the basic frame skill unlock the specializations, and make specialization skills just give bonuses instead of unlocking.

The majority of what we have right now however are not real specializations, but mild tweaks. From medium to assault, from light to scout, and from heavy to sentinel there is barely any change. This is very bad in my opinion.

[Basic frames]
Basic frames are suits with no reason to use them, we should NOT have useless suits with no purpose, especially since it can't be used to save money (seriously, why are they more expensive?). Not only are basic frames bonus-less (thus inferior) versions of specialized suits, but also more expensive. There should be situations where you would actually want to use them, both ISK-wise, and gameplay reasons.

They need a price cut, they should be at least 10% cheaper than their specialized counterpart, they should be the cheaper alternative to specialize suits.

They should be very generalized and versatile in slot layouts compared to their specialist counterparts, like a middle ground between the specializations of the suits; this could be done by altering the basic frames (like medium basics get a 2nd equipment slot and lose a module slot), or by altering the specialist suits (like taking equipment slot from assaults, and grenade slot from logi, so basic will be a middle ground with both).

[Solutions]: these are just examples of how I would solve the issues of price and slot layout.
PRICE: basic frame price = specialization price - 10%

LIGHT (reasoning can be found here)
Basic: + 1 high or low slot (& PG/CPU to fit it, they need a buff anyway)
Scout: + 1 equipment slot (& PG/CPU to fit it, they also need a buff) EDIT: Looks like CCP did it
Pilot: ? (not here yet, so can't say)

MEDIUM
Basic frame: + 1 equipment (2 equipment total, between assault and logi)
Logi: - grenade (they already have an extra low slot & lots of equipment compared to assaults, offensive abilities like grenades shouldn't be emphasized)
Assault: + 1 high slot (logis get an extra low slot compared to assaults anyway)

HEAVY
Basic: -sidearm, + 1 equipment (middle-ground between commando and sentinel)
Sentinel: same
Commando: same

Related dropsuit threads: tiercide

Or you could tiercide suits, and give them all custom layouts and bonuses to do a specific role.......

[Specializations]
When Uprising 1.0 launched, I made this thread, basically the point was this:
The logistics and now the commando dropsuit are the only examples of specialization done right as of now. The logistics is very different from the basic mediums; giving up one thing to be very good at (or "specialize") something else. Likewise, the commando heavy specialization sacrifices HP and and the heavy weapon slot in exchange for 2 light weapons.

The majority of what we have right now however are not real specializations, but copy/pasted basics with a bonus added. From medium to assault, from light to scout, and from heavy to sentinel there is barely any change; in fact they are identical except for the addition of the bonus to the specialized suits. This is very bad in my opinion.

Make them useful, or jut remove them. If you remove them, make the basic frame skill unlock the specializations, and make specialization skills just give bonuses instead of unlocking.

[Basic frames]
Basic frames are suits with no reason to use them, we should NOT have useless suits with no purpose, especially since it can't be used to save money since they cost the same as specialized suits. Not only are basic frames bonus-less (thus inferior) versions of specialized suits, but also more expensive. There should be situations where you would actually want to use them, both ISK-wise, and gameplay reasons.

They need a price cut, they should be at least 10% cheaper than their specialized counterpart, they should be the cheaper alternative to specialize suits.

They should be very generalized and versatile in slot layouts compared to their specialist counterparts, like a middle ground between the specializations of the suits; this could be done by altering the basic frames (like medium basics get a 2nd equipment slot and lose a module slot), or by altering the specialist suits (like taking equipment slot from assaults, and grenade slot from logi, so basic will be a middle ground with both).

[Solutions]: these are just examples of how I would solve the issues of price and slot layout.
PRICE: basic frame price = specialization price - 10%

LIGHT
Basic: + 1 high or low slot, -1 equipment slot (& PG/CPU changes needed)
Scout: same
Pilot: ? (not here yet, so can't say)
*alternatively, scouts could have 1 less module slot than they currently do, and basic lights can have only 1 equipment*

MEDIUM
Logi & assault: make them have the same module slot count. No reason why logis should have more at proto, or assaults to have more at standard like they currently do.
Basic frame: + 1 equipment (2 equipment total, between assault and logi), -1 module slot.

HEAVY
Basic: -sidearm, + 1 equipment, maybe -grenade (middle-ground between commando and sentinel)
Sentinel: same
Commando: same

Related dropsuit threads: tiercide | Medium frame (basic/assault/logistics) changes | Basic frame skills