DUST Search - [Feedback/Request] Basic frames & specializations: differentation & cost

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf, I have a question

Prerequisites: Advanced Gallente Light Frames including scout is 2 high 2 low which of course breaks the chain of progression in the suit. It's messed up and prevents the scout from ever having only 3 low slots at advanced.

The reason someone justified so was so an Advanced level scout could not slap on 3 MLT Profile dampeners and evade a prototype scanner. With the penalty accounted for, Level 3 scout (no dampening skills) and 2 MLT profile dampeners put the profile at 28 while the third would push it below to 25ish.

Considering that the Light Frames do not have an applicable scout skill, this could warrant them to have 3 low slots and 1 high slot instead of the current 2 H 2 L at advanced tier. This would help distinguish the Gallente Light Frame from the Gallente Scout as well. Would give a good reason to use it for other non-scoutly purposes, like armor tanking or speed tanking or rep tanking.

I don't understand which part of that was a question, but very good point with the slot thing.

Could that also be a change to light frames?

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7852	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:15:00 - [1] - Quote [Specializations] When Uprising 1.0 launched, I made this thread, basically the point was this: The logistics and now the commando dropsuit are the only examples of specialization done right as of now. The logistics is very different from the basic mediums; giving up one thing to be very good at (or "specialize") something else. Likewise, the commando heavy specialization sacrifices HP and and the heavy weapon slot in exchange for 2 light weapons. The majority of what we have right now however are not real specializations, but mild tweaks. From medium to assault, from light to scout, and from heavy to sentinel there is barely any change. This is very bad in my opinion. [Basic frames] Basic frames are suits with no reason to use them, we should NOT have useless suits with no purpose, especially since it can't be used to save money (seriously, why are they more expensive?). Not only are basic frames bonus-less (thus inferior) versions of specialized suits, but also more expensive. There should be situations where you would actually want to use them, both ISK-wise, and gameplay reasons. They need a price cut, they should be at least 10% cheaper than their specialized counterpart, they should be the cheaper alternative to specialize suits. They should be very generalized and versatile in slot layouts compared to their specialist counterparts, like a middle ground between the specializations of the suits; this could be done by altering the basic frames (like medium basics get a 2nd equipment slot and lose a module slot), or by altering the specialist suits (like taking equipment slot from assaults, and grenade slot from logi, so basic will be a middle ground with both). [Solutions]: these are just examples of how I would solve the issues of price and slot layout. PRICE: basic frame price = specialization price - 10% LIGHT (reasoning can be found here) Basic: + 1 high or low slot (& PG/CPU to fit it, they need a buff anyway) Scout: + 1 equipment slot (& PG/CPU to fit it, they also need a buff) Pilot: ? (not here yet, so can't say) MEDIUM Basic frame: + 1 equipment (2 equipment total, between assault and logi) Logi: - grenade (they already have an extra low slot & lots of equipment compared to assaults, offensive abilities like grenades shouldn't be emphasize) Assault: + 1 high slot (logis get an extra low slot compared to assaults anyway) HEAVY Basic: -sidearm, + 1 equipment (middle-ground between commando and sentinel) Sentinel: same Commando: same Related dropsuit threads: tiercide \| specialization bonuses Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7884	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:58:00 - [2] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf, I have a question Prerequisites: Advanced Gallente Light Frames including scout is 2 high 2 low which of course breaks the chain of progression in the suit. It's messed up and prevents the scout from ever having only 3 low slots at advanced. The reason someone justified so was so an Advanced level scout could not slap on 3 MLT Profile dampeners and evade a prototype scanner. With the penalty accounted for, Level 3 scout (no dampening skills) and 2 MLT profile dampeners put the profile at 28 while the third would push it below to 25ish. Considering that the Light Frames do not have an applicable scout skill, this could warrant them to have 3 low slots and 1 high slot instead of the current 2 H 2 L at advanced tier. This would help distinguish the Gallente Light Frame from the Gallente Scout as well. Would give a good reason to use it for other non-scoutly purposes, like armor tanking or speed tanking or rep tanking. I don't understand which part of that was a question, but very good point with the slot thing. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7887	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:20:00 - [3] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf, I have a question Prerequisites: Advanced Gallente Light Frames including scout is 2 high 2 low which of course breaks the chain of progression in the suit. It's messed up and prevents the scout from ever having only 3 low slots at advanced. The reason someone justified so was so an Advanced level scout could not slap on 3 MLT Profile dampeners and evade a prototype scanner. With the penalty accounted for, Level 3 scout (no dampening skills) and 2 MLT profile dampeners put the profile at 28 while the third would push it below to 25ish. Considering that the Light Frames do not have an applicable scout skill, this could warrant them to have 3 low slots and 1 high slot instead of the current 2 H 2 L at advanced tier. This would help distinguish the Gallente Light Frame from the Gallente Scout as well. Would give a good reason to use it for other non-scoutly purposes, like armor tanking or speed tanking or rep tanking. I don't understand which part of that was a question, but very good point with the slot thing. Could that also be a change to light frames? Yes, I'd be fine with that. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7911	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:29:00 - [4] - Quote Do it Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7996	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:01:00 - [5] - Quote Make them useful, or jut remove them. If you remove them, make the basic frame skill unlock the specializations, and make specialization skills just give bonuses instead of unlocking. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7999	Posted - 2014.01.12 09:15:00 - [6] - Quote No one else cares about making basic frames not a pointless waste? Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8129	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:40:00 - [7] - Quote The new equipment slot for scouts is a step in the right direction Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8250	Posted - 2014.01.21 18:11:00 - [8] - Quote Make them useful! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8716	Posted - 2014.01.30 00:58:00 - [9] - Quote I dream of a day where basic frames aren't a joke. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9707	Posted - 2014.02.26 18:10:00 - [10] - Quote Give them purpose! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10368	Posted - 2014.04.09 22:22:00 - [11] - Quote Fix it! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10463	Posted - 2014.04.20 18:06:00 - [12] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Or you could tiercide suits, and give them all custom layouts and bonuses to do a specific role....... My proposal does not contradict tiercide, in fact it would work with tiercide. All basic frames get both militia and standard tier, while specialized ones (like assault, logi, commando, etc) come in only standard tier. The militia tier stuff could be the equivalent of our current advanced suits, and standard can be the equivalent of our current protoype suits. The basic frame skills could get bonuses to justify having 5 levels despite the lack of extra tiers, and have the specialized dropsuits branching off from the basic frames also inherit the basic's bonus in addition to the specialized bonuses (like Amarr medium skill bonus applying to Amarr basic, Amarr assault, and Amarr logi). The custom layout thing is what this thread is about, I want the specialized and basic layouts to be distinct. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+