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KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 402	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:03:00 - [1] - Quote Quote: All Assault get +2% to light weapon RoF bonus per level. Discuss.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1435	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:04:00 - [2] - Quote could someone link me to this please i can't find it and will feel dumb once i realized where i didn't look yet so please help me out. \o/ Main - BobThe843CakeMan Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details. Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
Dengru Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 355	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:04:00 - [3] - Quote The horrible decisions are not funny at this point, just sad and bizarre. (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3709	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:05:00 - [4] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: could someone link me to this please i can't find it and will feel dumb once i realized where i didn't look yet so please help me out. \o/ I made a thread about it. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134242 Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
Dengru Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 355	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:05:00 - [5] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: could someone link me to this please i can't find it and will feel dumb once i realized where i didn't look yet so please help me out. \o/ look in assault foty thread, and aeons thread (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Aisha Ctarl Ctarl - Ctarl Empire 2707	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:06:00 - [6] - Quote Most ass backwards game developers in history award goes to drumroll Crowd Control Productions. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
The Black Art Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 304	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:07:00 - [7] - Quote How bout dat Min Assault getting more damage for damage mods. I guess they wanted to shave a second off the 2 second TTK.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1437	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:10:00 - [8] - Quote well the amarr and galante bonuses are backwards. but honestly i like the +5% per armor plate bonus. tht's going to be ridiculous. O_o Main - BobThe843CakeMan Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details. Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7593	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:11:00 - [9] - Quote At least they're better than logis at it now. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 814	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:11:00 - [10] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Quote: All Assault get +2% to light weapon RoF bonus per level. Discuss. Yup but the Commandos are the DPS except Minmatars but Minmatars are the thinnest of Assaults. So yeah while they might have the RoF boost, they don't have the bonus to their racial weapons. Amarr got nerfed so they should be on par with the other suits but still nasty because of that Rep Bonus. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 86	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:13:00 - [11] - Quote TTK (or die in this case) for suits that will get eHP racial bonuses probably stays about the same as it is now with shorter times for suits without such bonuses. Seems like an interesting way to make assault suits better at assaulting than logis without nerfing anything. Minmitar assaults probably die a bit faster, but will also kill faster. I do like that the assault bonuses are actually useful. Amarr assault bonus seems a bit weak (maybe a straight +1 hp/sec to repair like the old logi bonus would work better?). Perhaps a minus 10% to weapon damage across the board would adjust things in the right direction? Time will tell I suppose...
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 580	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:13:00 - [12] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Quote: All Assault get +2% to light weapon RoF bonus per level. Discuss. 3 of them also get an HP buff Discuss
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1958	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:14:00 - [13] - Quote 1) They could have reduced all weapons RoF in the mean time. 2) Logibro said they changed suits' underlying stats. 3) Assaults have lost their hp/s bonus on shields, so that has to be changed along with other suits probably. 4) We will be seeing more heavy/commando suits with more HP. 5) Some assaults are getting better HP bonuses now. 6) Some heavies will basically get a 15%-20% boost vs. certain weapons and 25%-30% against 'blasts' (which we assume are explosives). To me, in a lot of situatioins, this will pretty much even out in terms of TTK.
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First Prophet Minmatar Republic 1408	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:17:00 - [15] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Most ass backwards game developers in history award goes to drumroll Crowd Control Productions. #ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Users found this review helpful.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 403	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:31:00 - [16] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Quote: All Assault get +2% to light weapon RoF bonus per level. Discuss. 3 of them also get an HP buff Discuss This is exactly the type of inflation we don't need in this game. TTK too low? Increase HP. TTK too high? Increase effective damage via ROF. TTK too low? Increase HP.... Worse yet is that the ROF bonus is not nearly as beneficial to the Mass Driver, Shotgun, and Scrambler Rifle as it is to the Rifles. So now you have 3 Rifles even more overpowered, and 2 of the racial suits are going to have drastically higher HP, leaving those weapons out in the cold. CCP is changing too many things at once without addressing existing balance issues.
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 403	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:03:00 - [17] - Quote This RoF bonus plus the minmatar Damage Mod bonus is going to be a problem.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 559	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:06:00 - [18] - Quote ....... y cant we just get something nice...like increased reload speed. or something...not related to increasing weapon damage.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 239	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:11:00 - [19] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: 1) They could have reduced all weapons RoF in the mean time. 2) Logibro said they changed suits' underlying stats............... Where and what underlying stats 3) Assaults have lost their hp/s bonus on shields, so that has to be changed along with other suits probably. 4) We will be seeing more heavy/commando suits with more HP. 5) Some assaults are getting better HP bonuses now. 6) Some heavies will basically get a 15%-20% boost vs. certain weapons and 25%-30% against 'blasts' (which we assume are explosives). To me, in a lot of situatioins, this will pretty much even out in terms of TTK. I use a tablet so beware of typos
xSynnx x Requiem of Shadows 26	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:13:00 - [20] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: ....... y cant we just get something nice...like increased reload speed. or something...not related to increasing weapon damage. Not sure if you realize this, but that too would increase damage via DPS or DPM.

Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 762	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:16:00 - [21] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: This RoF bonus plus the minmatar Damage Mod bonus is going to be a problem. I was hoping the minnie assaults could get a little love but 'potentially' breaking them, causing them to be abused and then nerfed into obsolescence was not what I had in mind. Hopefully CCP with come up with something better before the patch actually drops. "STFU I'm awesome, all your points are invalid as I kill proto's all the time nubs." - Infinite Diversity IDIC
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 405	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:29:00 - [22] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: 1) They could have reduced all weapons RoF in the mean time. 2) Logibro said they changed suits' underlying stats............... Where and what underlying stats 3) Assaults have lost their hp/s bonus on shields, so that has to be changed along with other suits probably. 4) We will be seeing more heavy/commando suits with more HP. 5) Some assaults are getting better HP bonuses now. 6) Some heavies will basically get a 15%-20% boost vs. certain weapons and 25%-30% against 'blasts' (which we assume are explosives). To me, in a lot of situatioins, this will pretty much even out in terms of TTK. This is a great example of changing too much. We're going to to be seeing more suits with more HP AND heavies with resistance to explosives. That's a pretty severe MD nerf, since the MD will not benefit much from the RoF bonus. They are deviating further and further from a balanced design, instead of fixing the core design before further modification. If these changes release as is, it's going to change the entire game, seemingly without taking any input from the CPM, Players, Data, or Observation.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1721	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:34:00 - [23] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Quote: All Assault get +2% to light weapon RoF bonus per level. Discuss. ccp wants a AAA shooter so COD514 here we come [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 583	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:37:00 - [24] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: This RoF bonus plus the minmatar Damage Mod bonus is going to be a problem. Only for Scouts and Logis calm down chicken little.
Sladen Faust 0uter.Heaven 26	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:48:00 - [25] - Quote i think the problem is that CCP needs to have fully diverse bonuses instead of having 1 generalized across the board . It would open the doors to truly unique racial suits. Sadly the RoF bonus makes no sense as everyone has been stating that TTK is to fast. Even with the HP bonuses the Rof negates that. They should bring in INDIVIDUAL racial bonuses that plays to the style of each race not just class. For example ( just an example so don't have a cow) Caldari : 5% bonus to shield extenders per level and 2% CPU/PG reduction to shield Regulators per level. It plays out to the Cladari being a shield heavy race and this could be done with others races making for a more dedicated play style.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2075	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:54:00 - [26] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Quote: All Assault get +2% to light weapon RoF bonus per level. Discuss. This will make sence if they fix TTK. Makes Assault better at the Assault role than logi are. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6301	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:55:00 - [27] - Quote You guys do realize that CCP logibro pointed out that these figures are not final and thus are subject to change between now and next update, right? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6301	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:57:00 - [28] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: KA24DERT wrote: This RoF bonus plus the minmatar Damage Mod bonus is going to be a problem. Only for Scouts and Logis calm down chicken little. Meh... we scouts die in three shots anyways. It's not like it's going to make any difference. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 188	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:57:00 - [29] - Quote I suspect this change is related to making the assaults better assaults than logis, which is not the way it is now. Combine that with the CPU/PG decrease on equipment for Logis, and it appears CCP is trying to equalize the inequality that currently stands between assault and logis.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3750	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:58:00 - [30] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: This RoF bonus plus the minmatar Damage Mod bonus is going to be a problem. Considering how thin the suits are I can't see it being much of one. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)



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