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lordjanuz wrote:

So this is straight from Hilmar as he see it :

CSM8 August 2013 :

Ripard
added that there are upcoming competitors for both EVE Online the space game and
DUST 514 the shooter. "We're concerned that other companies are going to infringe
upon this fantastic combination that you are creating even before you can get it going,"
he said. Trebor added that when CCP starts marketing DUST 514 strongly (as
announced at Fanfest), the link is a potential differentiator from DUST's competition and
if it isn't a strong differentiator, it will be harder to sell DUST.
Hilmar was very understanding of the question and in particular held up Nova Knife's
posts about DUST as really hitting the nail on the head about the need to make DUST
514 a really kick-ass shooter. Over a period of a few minutes, he made it very clear thatCCP's primary focus for the time being will be to improve the DUST 514 gameplay
outside of the EVE-DUST link and build up DUST's reputation and audience in the
challenging F2P market.
Instead, the focus will be on improving the DUST experience; in particular, the focus will
be on grabbing shooter fans right from the get-go. As a result, while Team True Grit will
continue to build on the EVE-DUST link, Hilmar feels very strongly that they should
focus on the DUST experience and build a shooter that CCP can be proud of.

Link : http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM8_August_Summit_Minutes.pdf

I am not sure if that is wise, what do you think folks.

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lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 264	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:33:00 - [1] - Quote So this is straight from Hilmar as he see it : CSM8 August 2013 : Ripard added that there are upcoming competitors for both EVE Online the space game and DUST 514 the shooter. "We're concerned that other companies are going to infringe upon this fantastic combination that you are creating even before you can get it going," he said. Trebor added that when CCP starts marketing DUST 514 strongly (as announced at Fanfest), the link is a potential differentiator from DUST's competition and if it isn't a strong differentiator, it will be harder to sell DUST. Hilmar was very understanding of the question and in particular held up Nova Knife's posts about DUST as really hitting the nail on the head about the need to make DUST 514 a really kick-ass shooter. Over a period of a few minutes, he made it very clear thatCCP's primary focus for the time being will be to improve the DUST 514 gameplay outside of the EVE-DUST link and build up DUST's reputation and audience in the challenging F2P market. Instead, the focus will be on improving the DUST experience; in particular, the focus will be on grabbing shooter fans right from the get-go. As a result, while Team True Grit will continue to build on the EVE-DUST link, Hilmar feels very strongly that they should focus on the DUST experience and build a shooter that CCP can be proud of. Link : http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM8_August_Summit_Minutes.pdf I am not sure if that is wise, what do you think folks.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2697	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:40:00 - [2] - Quote Fix the frame rate and the garbage jinky-janky character movement and everything else will fall into place.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 896	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:41:00 - [3] - Quote It's extremely unwise. Because DUST will never compete with Battlefield or Call of Duty as a "great shooter". It can be a "good shooter", but it'll probably never be "great". The part where it's going to grab players' attention and hold it, is the MMO aspects and the EVE link. Every single person I've ever heard express any interest in this game and maybe trying it, was interested because of the universe it's in. But Hilmar has a very large ego, and thinks he is going to compete. Hopefully, DUST's new EP has a more realistic view and a better idea of what's really going to hold this game together, and that's a unique identity and playstyle you can't get from other FPS games. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1492	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:43:00 - [4] - Quote should have been done from get go. knew they are trying now, but certain missteps (1.7 among others) have made it plain obvious that FPS is hard for them. Probably from not understanding at first what makes a FPS a well... FPS. What your playing from closed beta, till now is NOT a RTS. It's FPS. Who unfortunately has yet to really live up to that. After that, then introduce the link. But it from what I got years ago, was FPS players being hired by eve mmo players to take care of **** and maybe warm some beds. ladies?
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 264	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:46:00 - [5] - Quote If its only FPS you are looking for this should not be the game, I am in for it as they sold it, every bullit counts and you could take down empires. Today there is not even a good backstory way we are playing this game, we need a lot more MMO in the game.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6279	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:48:00 - [6] - Quote Well, Hilmar does have a point here. There needs to be greater player retention now more than ever. But to achieve all that, CCP will have to implement the core content such as all racial suits, all racial weapons, all racial vehicles, more maps, implement PvE content for once (hello rogue drones), revamp the New-Player Experience, fix matchmaking, optimize the code better to mitigate console freezes, and finally open up the secondary market. That's the only way to achieve greater player retention. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
steadyhand amarr Scions of Athra 2122	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:53:00 - [7] - Quote You know realease a feature complete game not built of egos and stubborn having unfun gameplay because one day it might work "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1492	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:53:00 - [8] - Quote lordjanuz wrote: If its only FPS you are looking for this should not be the game, I am in for it as they sold it, every bullit counts and you could take down empires. Today there is not even a good backstory way we are playing this game, we need a lot more MMO in the game. only empires your take down is on eve-side. I jumped into this cause of the chance to bag a good trophy. "destroy a ship in another game" That punch to the shoulder at the eve player to say "hey bud. I blew your ship for being a nerd" And that in the end is why we won't (at least in the next couple years, nor do I really see it happening) blow up any eve ships. Market will probably come first.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 264	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:55:00 - [9] - Quote I think its the players looking for a different FPS that is holding the game running today, if its FPS (grinding) thats the only focus in the next years , I think we will struggle to maintain the small playerbase we have. And if you are waithing for all the content to drop , so look at the timeframe it have been dropping in to game so far, do we get content every second month??? not sure. Then the time go slow if its in that timeframe things will get dropped. Roumers are that we are getting a colt next build.....nice, I think.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1472	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:09:00 - [10] - Quote lordjanuz wrote: So this is straight from Hilmar as he see it : CSM8 August 2013 : Ripard added that there are upcoming competitors for both EVE Online the space game and DUST 514 the shooter. "We're concerned that other companies are going to infringe upon this fantastic combination that you are creating even before you can get it going," he said. Trebor added that when CCP starts marketing DUST 514 strongly (as announced at Fanfest), the link is a potential differentiator from DUST's competition and if it isn't a strong differentiator, it will be harder to sell DUST. Hilmar was very understanding of the question and in particular held up Nova Knife's posts about DUST as really hitting the nail on the head about the need to make DUST 514 a really kick-ass shooter. Over a period of a few minutes, he made it very clear thatCCP's primary focus for the time being will be to improve the DUST 514 gameplay outside of the EVE-DUST link and build up DUST's reputation and audience in the challenging F2P market. Instead, the focus will be on improving the DUST experience; in particular, the focus will be on grabbing shooter fans right from the get-go. As a result, while Team True Grit will continue to build on the EVE-DUST link, Hilmar feels very strongly that they should focus on the DUST experience and build a shooter that CCP can be proud of. Link : http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM8_August_Summit_Minutes.pdf I am not sure if that is wise, what do you think folks. 8 months ago, when gameplay was terrible, this was a valid way to approach the games development. The gameplay is pretty good now however, and I think CCP realizes the game is much improved since then. All they need to do is flesh out the remaining racial dropsuits and maybe a few new heavy weapons, and from there they could start building up FW in a way were it more significantly effects EVE online. The Caldari FW event that was largely organized by Castor crave a couple weeks ago was the first attempt of its kind. Many of this communities largest corporations put aside our differences and qued up for CFW in an attempt to assist eve pilots in plexing. The idea was that if we could assist in them plexing, eve pilots would begin to see the value in using Dust mercs to participate with them. Well the UI just isn't there yet. We couldn't effectively help the eve pilots because we couldn't choose which contracts we were given, and its things like that which I believe people like CCP nullabor will be working on (I think(because im pretty sure he programs UI though I could be wrong)). But you also have to keep in mind that there are different teams doing different things. Sure there will/should be focus on the EVE link, however there will always be focus on improving the game play as well, because CCP devides the work into teams. Marston VC, STB Director

iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1255	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:41:00 - [11] - Quote Thanks for posting this. A like for you sir. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 620	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:47:00 - [12] - Quote Why would they do that? The EVE-link is the only thing they could use to promote this game so far if you don't include all the SOON(TM)-Promises.
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 203	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:49:00 - [13] - Quote Yea CCP does need to fix there CORE OF THE GAME. Tankspam514, I liked AR514 better. 1.7 HMG hotfix works great. Now for more Heavy suits or guns soonGäó
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 981	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:52:00 - [14] - Quote Time to fire Hilmar. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 904	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:54:00 - [15] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Time to fire Hilmar. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Hilmar isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but thankfully, it's the executive producer who actually will make decisions for this game, and the new one sounds like he has the right idea. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 981	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:59:00 - [16] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Severance Pay wrote: Time to fire Hilmar. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Hilmar isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but thankfully, it's the executive producer who actually will make decisions for this game, and the new one sounds like he has the right idea. The CEO is still the CEO. He says he wants to stop catering to long term players and build a game around shooter players who typically do not play long term. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3413	Posted - 2014.01.06 19:00:00 - [17] - Quote If we focus on making a standalone FPS, the eve link will be halfassed and we still won't be able to compete with standalone FPSes The eve link is what makes Dust unique, and that needs to be strong before the other points become polished. Btw- the arena idea isn't cheap; it's a nice, lore-friendly excuse for unrealistic game modes. We used to have a time machine
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11614	Posted - 2014.01.06 19:05:00 - [18] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Time to fire Hilmar. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. FPS gamers must be consistently appeased with a new game every 3-6 months. I am not saying new content, I mean these guys need a new Modern Warfare or Battlefield every season. They will play the newest thing for a few months and then move on to the newest game. Hilmar is saying this is the fanbase they want to build on with DUST. He wants to build on a fanbase of players that typically burn themselves out on the newest game then jump onto a new one months later. DUST will die. Excessively premature launch of Battlefield 4's has caused the company to sue itself and its losing base with its fans. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2409	Posted - 2014.01.06 19:07:00 - [19] - Quote ******* ridiculous that some people in this thread are against them focusing on making a game that works before welding it completely to another game Seriously people, do you want a game thats better balanced and runs well or some more spreadsheets to play with? Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11614	Posted - 2014.01.06 19:10:00 - [20] - Quote Back to the OP; I riddle you guys this; what good is a link? if your game is crashing, cant support voice, lags to hell, looks like crap, and has no idea of balance? Link at the end of the day is a gimmick and unless given full attention it deserves that can only come on the heels of an awesome shooter; will be nothing more than a lame gimmick. If we can get the game stable, and growing, and appreciated and then we do the link, the link will benifit more from it. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 48	Posted - 2014.01.06 19:15:00 - [21] - Quote Lol, too late. The EVE link was THE element that was supposed to make this game unique. The kickass shooter part is dead. Best get going with that link. Dumb-asses. A long time agoGÇª but somehow in the future.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1439	Posted - 2014.01.06 19:23:00 - [22] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Severance Pay wrote: Time to fire Hilmar. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Hilmar isn't going anywhere anytime soon, but thankfully, it's the executive producer who actually will make decisions for this game, and the new one sounds like he has the right idea. The CEO is still the CEO. He says he wants to stop catering to long term players and build a game around shooter players who typically do not play long term. You're making the assumption that long term players don't want solid, reliable, predictable, consistent game mechanics. Given the stakes we'll be fighting for i sure as hell do want game mechanics i can rely on and build a plan of attack or a defensive strategy around. Face it, getting hung up on 2" ledges, input schemes not working/balanced, navigating terrain being uncertain, lag and framerate will forever consign this game to an 'also ran' status, bordering on the technically accurate description of 'mickey mouse'. Maybe we've forgotten, but every single freakin' review written about this game has talked about the core fps mechanics. As things stand, they will continue to talk about the core fps mechanics, if they bother to review DUST again at all. I support SP rollover.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 620	Posted - 2014.01.06 19:23:00 - [23] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: ******* ridiculous that some people in this thread are against them focusing on making a game that works before welding it completely to another game Seriously people, do you want a game thats better balanced and runs well or some more spreadsheets to play with? Duuuuh everyone is saying this since beta, but what could you read about DUST514? This is an AAA-shooter. Not true...maybe they are finally ready to announce this. WOW NEVER SEEN BEFORE PS3-GAME LINK WITH PC-GAME. Well in a minimal and only started to be interesting since FW orbitals changed and that is if you don't have to wait 15 min to get in a game. CCP communication about DUST is just utter crap and YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO SEE IT BUT WE KEEP PLAYING WITH YOUR HOPES AKA SOON(TM). Anyway I guess it was in their LONG-TERM PLANNING all the time .
Khan Hun Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 57	Posted - 2014.01.06 19:25:00 - [24] - Quote This makes a lot of sense, I'm an eve player and the eve link is key for me. HOWEVER Dust514 has to be able to stand on its own, with the eve link as an added feature to set it apart from other FPS games. Without a decent, fun to play FPS game the link is meaningless anyway. Any eve link will need a decent number of dust players who enjoy playing, and that will only happen if the game is good.
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 48	Posted - 2014.01.06 19:31:00 - [25] - Quote RKKR wrote: Delta 749 wrote: ******* ridiculous that some people in this thread are against them focusing on making a game that works before welding it completely to another game Seriously people, do you want a game thats better balanced and runs well or some more spreadsheets to play with? Duuuuh everyone is saying this since beta, but what could you read about DUST514? This is an AAA-shooter. Not true...maybe they are finally ready to announce this. WOW NEVER SEEN BEFORE PS3-GAME LINK WITH PC-GAME. Well in a minimal and only started to be interesting since FW orbitals changed and that is if you don't have to wait 15 min to get in a game. CCP communication about DUST is just utter crap and YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO SEE IT BUT WE KEEP PLAYING WITH YOUR HOPES AKA SOON(TM). Anyway I guess it was in their LONG-TERM PLANNING all the time . The EVE link was the only reason for this game's existence. It was the element they were marketing. They now see what hole they've dug and probably are having more trouble with the EVE link so they figure they can salvage through playing up the FPS part. This is just another shooter on a console. That is already a bad place to be. They are making it worse. If you find yourself complaining about balance and weapon/suit/vehicle functionality in this game just keep repeating: EVE is the only reason. EVE is the only reason. EVE is the only reason this game will ever matter. A long time agoGÇª but somehow in the future.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 910	Posted - 2014.01.06 19:52:00 - [26] - Quote Ironwolf, the game isn't going to still have customers by the time it becomes an awesome shooter, if it doesn't have features that actually make people interested in playing it. Unless you can promise an awesome shooter by next month. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11615	Posted - 2014.01.06 19:59:00 - [27] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ironwolf, the game isn't going to still have customers by the time it becomes an awesome shooter, if it doesn't have features that actually make people interested in playing it. Unless you can promise an awesome shooter by next month. I don't think abandoning everything to get link there is going to be worthwhile effort though not while the game laments on poorer game play that can certainly be better. Some links can happen much much later and we have so far done with a near absence of one. I also have to constantly remind people I do have access to NDA material and you are going to have a hard time convincing me that based on facts I am looking at that somehow the link will magically keep people in the game. I think its far more important for us to establish a far better 'first 5 minutes' and that can be easily achieved 'without direct link'. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 265	Posted - 2014.01.06 20:21:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Ironwolf, the game isn't going to still have customers by the time it becomes an awesome shooter, if it doesn't have features that actually make people interested in playing it. Unless you can promise an awesome shooter by next month. I don't think abandoning everything to get link there is going to be worthwhile effort though not while the game laments on poorer game play that can certainly be better. Some links can happen much much later and we have so far done with a near absence of one. I also have to constantly remind people I do have access to NDA material and you are going to have a hard time convincing me that based on facts I am looking at that somehow the link will magically keep people in the game. I think its far more important for us to establish a far better 'first 5 minutes' and that can be easily achieved 'without direct link'. No one is talking about abandoning everything to get a link ( as you say ) our consern is that it will fade away complitly. Becouse getting this game up to a decent FPS is a long way, but what about all that CCP is nowned for , hardcore,background story, unpredictebale. I just bought my ticket to fanfest and its my 4th time I am going there, and we have been there when Dust514 have been promoted, and it has been great, but if all this is going to get way in the background we are not talking about the same game anymore. Wy build up alliances with EVE players, production, PVE.... Just sad to see all that going away. But I will surely be there and see what they presents, and ask questions. Where is Dust 514 going.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1493	Posted - 2014.01.06 20:33:00 - [29] - Quote Who will anyone play a crappy FPS game for a eve link? You can have the story and market and guess how it will be judged? the way it plays. THIS IS A FPS game. It should have been treated and reviewed as that from the get go. Then by now we would have been talking about eve-link or already on it, rather then still trying to balance this game.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1472	Posted - 2014.01.06 20:36:00 - [30] - Quote All he is saying is that he will leave only the one dev team devloping the link, it will still progress, but slower. Instead they are throwing resources at the more important stuff, like content, balance, graphics, maps that kinda thing. Provided they get a boost in budget and some more programmers in, expect to see a burst of new stuff in the next year. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1



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