Did you read all of my post, or stop when you read the part about cheap tactics being tactics none the less. You can wallow all you like over how cowardly a tactic is. In the end, it is the victor who writes history.

But you clearly missed my point by a long shot.

NO, I hate redline rails with a passion. Just last night I sacrificed my tank in PC to kill one such redline tanker. You are right, this is a video game, and should be balanced out. But I'm not going to bash on somebody for using a tactic that provides hardly any counter, and remains very effective. Fighting isn't about who's **** is bigger than the others, there is no honor in killing no matter how it is done. Respect. Nuff Said.

CCP has allowed this mechanic for a long time now, how about you focus that rage their way.


If you even noticed, I posted my suggestions.

THE KEY HERE IS THE REDLINE SHOULD SERVE A PURPOSE!

That purpose is to provide a redlined team a fighting chance. Currently though, a rail tank can use that to their advantage, in order to control the map.

READ MY POST, and suggestions as a whole, not a PIECE.

N quit being an asshat.

My alt is a tanker, and I view redline rail tanking as this.

There are tankers who can roll in the burnzone and dominate other tanks and survive. There are those who cannot and resort to redline "tactics".

Redline tanking is not my style, I like to prowl the map, have my squad keep me aware of other tanks on the field, and when we do battle, may the better tank and or tanker win. It's more fun and challenging that way, rail tanking is just boring and well, cowardly...

The redline does serve a purpose. The purpose of the red-line is to provide the team with a safe zone to rally in and assault the objectives, be it at the start or during a battle. If a team gets red-lined and is getting pinned in there, it's up to that team to rally via squads and make a push, either flanking or attacking the assailing team head-on. We all know 95% of the time, this never happens due to random team composition / poor squads / poor communication, which inevitably lead the team to getting red-lined in the first place. But the means are there, it's just we don't see people use them very often.

Tankers use this safe-zone to their advantage however, and are pretty much un-killable due to the safety net it provides. It is a terrain issue, it is a timer-issue and it's being abused to the point where it makes the game virtually unplayable for vehicle users, primarily dropships who can only use mobility to their advantage. Like you said, they control the map. They shouldn't have that dominating power, and I'm sorry but I can't 'respect' that use of so-called 'tactics' , no matter how 'effective' it is. It's just giving the most powerful weapon in the game a safety-net which it can fall back on, should it encounter anyone trying to stop it. ..... And it needs to be stopped, by any means.

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Nope totally agree, it needs to be fixed. Did I somehow indicate that I thought it was fine in the first place??

So I do have some respect for redline sniping. Yes cheap and stupid, but very effective and hard to counter. That's the point of good tactics is it not.

People don't like that playstyle however, my friend. I respect your use of the 'head-on' tanker approach, backed by intel from your squadmates, but I also have to respect the playstyle of those who like to provide support from a distance; be it a sniper on a building, suppressing infantry, or a railgun on a hill, suppressing vehicles. However, what I cannot tolerate and respect is a railgun tanker in the red-line who, as I said previously, is virtually unkillable due to the danger timer on the attacker and it's usual terrain advantage, while not to mention the AI of it's allied turrets automatically aims at any attacking vehicle once it crosses the line itself, especially those missile turrets that shoot dropships off-target.

Read it. All of it. Still looking for some short answer to the real question. You still call it a tactic in your last post. Its an abuse not a tactic. Also the "no honour in killing" waffle is again a distraction. There is no killing in this game. No one dies. Its about two players competing, or a group of players competing. When people compete fairness is considerd as key to both parties enjoyment.

So I ask you again. Is it fair? That is all I asked. If a rail tank kills your proto suit from 200m in his redline while you are at your own closest objective would you feel this was fair? You say you hate it but......blah blah blah. Is it fair? And if it ISa fair and valid tactic then should we need to discuss making it available to everyone in the game. In that case we need to allow all players sections of the map where their enemies cannot go so they too can use this skilled and fair tactic.



yes you did actually

Let's please brainstorm together to get some ideas going on how to remove their ability to 'kill-and-not-be-killed' apart from an organised squadron of assault dropship pilots.

Falloff Damage

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Rail keeps the skies clear

No rail = ADS/DS heaven and never shot down again

Let's please brainstorm together to get some ideas going on how to remove their ability to 'kill-and-not-be-killed' apart from an organised squadron of assault dropship pilots.

Umm...if you can get hit by a rail tank, you can hit the rail tank back. A shot or two is usually enough to make the red liner think twice about their location; otherwise, pair up two rail tanks and take him out.

I don't like that approach, it doesn't address being redlined in a game. It just means when you get stomped, not only do you lose a match, you get no rewards. Way harsh.

I shoot down ADS all the time with my Rail tank while out of the redline, I sometimes use my FG to do so as well. Just ask snugglze or what ever his name is (sorry bro, cannot recall)

This may be the first time that I've ever agreed with Takahiro on a post

Personally, I only bring out my tank when I spot a dropship in the air or a blaster tank on the ground. Rail tanks aren't too much of a concern unless my side has any vehicle about to lose 2 matches payout.

Make it so you cant' shoot in or out of the redline.

But i don't think that would stop dropship 1-2 shotting from the redline at all. Sure, they couldn't see the main battlefield, but putting the redline "below the sea-level of the battleground" means that there would be a pretty drasticly angled slope from the redline onto the battlefield, and what does that mean? Redline railgun tanks could simply roll up on the slope and pelt DS pilots in the air easily, still..

I can't believe there are people who actively defend rail sniping from the red line. Even more I cannot believe there are people who think that dropships would run around untouched destroying everything if they weren't hiding in the red line rail sniping them out of the air from 500+m out.

I hope to god no developer listens to these people as rails are the most imbalanced piece of vehicle weaponry in this game.

Let's please brainstorm together to get some ideas going on how to remove their ability to 'kill-and-not-be-killed' apart from an organised squadron of assault dropship pilots.