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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:13:00 -
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I have Min assault @ lvl 3 and honestly I feel like not getting it to level 5.
Yeah, you got the speed, yeah you got the armor repair and yeah you got the sidearm clip bonus.
Whoopty doo.
level 5 gives you 2 more high slots, which, if I've read correctly from other posts you can't even use sensibly because of the CPU/PG limitations.
I would LOVE to have 2 dmg mods and 3 shields (or vice versa) on the slots but as it is, that just won't work with my style because those are CPU hogs, coupled with kin cat / dampeners in the lows.
You could put armor plates in the lows but it still doesn't compare to caldari assault suit and you'd be sacrificing the only bonus Min Assault suit has beyond others. (Speed)
Smeehf.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
3641
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:16:00 -
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Matari Scouts too while we're sitting here complaining about near useless suits.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 3
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
155
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:34:00 -
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Both of you, look at the amarr assault suit and be grateful you greedy matari heathens. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1313
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:34:00 -
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If ever I do bring out my Assault mk.0, I make sure to bring along a crapload of damage mods and my trusty sniper rifle.
However... I dun snipe. Yup, it's not relevant to me as well. |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
869
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:55:00 -
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I've been using it with pistols and it's good for that (adv) but not much else.
Smeehf.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2790
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:00:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:I have Min assault @ lvl 3 and honestly I feel like not getting it to level 5. Yeah, you got the speed, yeah you got the armor repair and yeah you got the sidearm clip bonus. Whoopty doo. level 5 gives you 2 more high slots, which, if I've read correctly from other posts you can't even use sensibly because of the CPU/PG limitations. I would LOVE to have 2 dmg mods and 3 shields (or vice versa) on the slots but as it is, that just won't work with my style because those are CPU hogs, coupled with kin cat / dampeners in the lows. You could put armor plates in the lows but it still doesn't compare to caldari assault suit and you'd be sacrificing the only bonus Min Assault suit has beyond others. (Speed)
One more low for Minmatar suits.
Do it CCP.
No.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
2503
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:01:00 -
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Proto minmatar assault for quite some time here. The bonus is definitely worth it if you like SMGs. Even better if you have the sort of SP invested that some people do. Having 100 rounds in a clip is insane if you get a great flank off or you love side arms. Even before the flaylock got nerfed to useless the SMG has always been the best side arm choice for minmatar.
The only stat that this suit has over any other medium frame is the movement/strafe speed. No other suit can strafe as fast as this suit. It's really the only stat it has that no other medium frame can ever beat. The only thing that is out strafing a minnie is a scout.
By no means is this a great suit though. You're paper thin compared to every other suit. It doesn't tank well. It has horrible regen. Stacking more than 3 damage mods is absolutely pointless. Other assault suits are simply better. I really only survive as well as I do because I am used to playing scout so that extra 200 HP is a lot in comparison.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1506
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:15:00 -
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Lol my suit it useless, it has CPU and PG limitations, if I stack armor plates it'd be a waste of a suit. Please you have the second highest CPU and PG for a mid frame in the game, then your the fastest suit in the game and everyone stacks armor plates even them Caldari. So please stop your qq.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
869
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:23:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Lol my suit it useless, it has CPU and PG limitations, if I stack armor plates it'd be a waste of a suit. Please you have the second highest CPU and PG for a mid frame in the game, then your the fastest suit in the game and everyone stacks armor plates even them Caldari. So please stop your qq.
What suit are you using then?
To Curious Li-Moody:
The sidearm bonus for minmatar is good for pistols also.
I've gotten used to low hp and can live with that but the proto suit just feels lacking, hence my 'QQ' of upgrading it.
Smeehf.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
9054
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:34:00 -
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Been saying this for a while. It's not the suit, it's the lack of high slot modules that are actually useful.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising
1435
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:36:00 -
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SORRY FOR THE MONSTER POST
The only way I can run a viable Min Assault is by abusing the Low fitting requirements of the Core Flaylock and the Republic Boundless.
By using those two weapons (AND NO EQUIPMENT) I can stack 4 complex shields, a complex damage mod, enhanced speed, and a basic plate.
470 Shields 245 armor
8.3 Sprint
I shouldn't be having to sacrifice so much just to get a good fit.
ON ANOTHER NOTE:
I think the Minmatar Assault needs the 4/3 layout instead of the 5/2. Give the Caldari Assault the 5/2 and us the 4/3. It makes more sense, as Min's are supposed to be light dual tankers with huge speed.
This will also discourage the Dual Tanking Caldari that we see all the time. By giving them an extra shield slot, they could conceivably run the following fit (which is oh so caldari)
Cal Assault CK.0 582 Shields 155 Armor
46 hp/s recharge (Both of these are pretty much scout level recharge on an assault suit) 3.62s delay
4x Complex shields 1x Complex Recharge
PRO AR ADV SMG
M1 Locus
K17-D(R) Hives
1x Complex CPU 1x Complex Regulator
Amazing right? Fast, tough with excellent regen.
What about the Minmatar? 4/3 layout. (My fit at least) with a CPU/PG buff, as it will still be needed.
Assault MK.0
405 Shields 251 Armor
22.5 hp/s regen 1.0 armor regen 4.68 delay
Sprints at 8.77
3x Complex Shields 1x Complex L Damage mod
PRO CR PRO Flay
M1 Locus
No equipment
1x Complex Ferro 1x Complex Kincat 1x Enhanced Shield Reg
Made to be a rapid flanker. Shields should take the brunt of the damage, with 251 armor as backup. When you start taking too much shield damage, you should sprint away and wait for the regen. You can replace the damage mod with a recharger, but I think that flanking is more about doing as much damage as possible in a short period of time, and then running away if they turn to shoot you. Hence the damage is more important than a good regen, as you should be away from danger while recharging, not in it.
Just my ideas on this.
Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
3650
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Posted - 2014.01.04 13:13:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Both of you, look at the amarr assault suit and be grateful you greedy matari heathens. Your dirty Amarr suit gets a bonus to the most lethal rifle in this game, HTFU!
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 3
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
1864
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Posted - 2014.01.04 13:23:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Both of you, look at the amarr assault suit and be grateful you greedy matari heathens. Your dirty Amarr suit gets a bonus to the most lethal rifle in this game, HTFU! Yeah!
At least the general assault bonus actually helps for your suits, shields mean nothing to me.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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G Torq
ALTA B2O
345
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Posted - 2014.01.04 13:39:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:I have Min assault @ lvl 3 and honestly I feel like not getting it to level 5. Yeah, you got the speed, yeah you got the armor repair and yeah you got the sidearm clip bonus. Whoopty doo. level 5 gives you 2 more high slots, which, if I've read correctly from other posts you can't even use sensibly because of the CPU/PG limitations. I would LOVE to have 2 dmg mods and 3 shields (or vice versa) on the slots but as it is, that just won't work with my style because those are CPU hogs, coupled with kin cat / dampeners in the lows. You could put armor plates in the lows but it still doesn't compare to caldari assault suit and you'd be sacrificing the only bonus Min Assault suit has beyond others. (Speed)
You get that 5% hack-speed bonus with Minmatar Assault suits...
Team Fairy DUST
HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
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daishi mk03
BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion
532
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Posted - 2014.01.04 13:40:00 -
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Your mk0 is trash. My ak0 and my viziam (**** sidearms) eats you all day long.
To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin.
The Scriptures,Book of Missions
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
3651
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Posted - 2014.01.04 13:42:00 -
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G Torq wrote:Repe Susi wrote:I have Min assault @ lvl 3 and honestly I feel like not getting it to level 5. Yeah, you got the speed, yeah you got the armor repair and yeah you got the sidearm clip bonus. Whoopty doo. level 5 gives you 2 more high slots, which, if I've read correctly from other posts you can't even use sensibly because of the CPU/PG limitations. I would LOVE to have 2 dmg mods and 3 shields (or vice versa) on the slots but as it is, that just won't work with my style because those are CPU hogs, coupled with kin cat / dampeners in the lows. You could put armor plates in the lows but it still doesn't compare to caldari assault suit and you'd be sacrificing the only bonus Min Assault suit has beyond others. (Speed) You get that 5% hack-speed bonus with Minmatar Assault suits... *logi
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 3
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Paran Tadec
The Hetairoi
1819
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Posted - 2014.01.04 14:08:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:I have Min assault @ lvl 3 and honestly I feel like not getting it to level 5. Yeah, you got the speed, yeah you got the armor repair and yeah you got the sidearm clip bonus. Whoopty doo. level 5 gives you 2 more high slots, which, if I've read correctly from other posts you can't even use sensibly because of the CPU/PG limitations. I would LOVE to have 2 dmg mods and 3 shields (or vice versa) on the slots but as it is, that just won't work with my style because those are CPU hogs, coupled with kin cat / dampeners in the lows. You could put armor plates in the lows but it still doesn't compare to caldari assault suit and you'd be sacrificing the only bonus Min Assault suit has beyond others. (Speed)
The Min and cal assualts need to swap slot layout, and the min depleted recharge rate should be smaller than the cal suit, so you you could fit a regulator in a low slot and be able to counter the shield extender stacking penalty. If min is supposed to be the hit and run suit that is.
Bittervet Proficiency V
thanks logibro!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3023
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Posted - 2014.01.04 15:58:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Your mk0 is trash. My ak0 and my viziam (**** sidearms) eats you all day long. Until you realize that we have the most powerful infantry "weapon" in the entire game.
Go home Amarrian. You aren't welcome here.
Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate
AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
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daishi mk03
BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion
532
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:04:00 -
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Atiim wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Your mk0 is trash. My ak0 and my viziam (**** sidearms) eats you all day long. Until you realize that we have the most powerful infantry "weapon" in the entire game. Go home Amarrian. You aren't welcome here.
Your "most powerful weapon" (made of duct tape) has less dps than my viziam (during the relevant time frame). That's why you guys are dying and dying and dying.
To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin.
The Scriptures,Book of Missions
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demonkiller 12
G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder.
297
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:15:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Both of you, look at the amarr assault suit and be grateful you greedy matari heathens. go pick up a laser rifle and enjoy that incredibly OP damage buff, youre welcome |
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pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7 CRONOS.
260
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:25:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Atiim wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Your mk0 is trash. My ak0 and my viziam (**** sidearms) eats you all day long. Until you realize that we have the most powerful infantry "weapon" in the entire game. Go home Amarrian. You aren't welcome here. Your "most powerful weapon" (made of duct tape) has less dps than my viziam (during the relevant time frame). That's why you guys are dying and dying and dying. please scrub, were beating you 9 out of every 10 fw matches. you must have " 0% OF DISTRICT OWNED " burned into your tv screen, it pops up so often
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
789
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:34:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Proto minmatar assault for quite some time here. The bonus is definitely worth it if you like SMGs. Even better if you have the sort of SP invested that some people do. Having 100 rounds in a clip is insane if you get a great flank off or you love side arms. Even before the flaylock got nerfed to useless the SMG has always been the best side arm choice for minmatar.
The only stat that this suit has over any other medium frame is the movement/strafe speed. No other suit can strafe as fast as this suit. It's really the only stat it has that no other medium frame can ever beat. The only thing that is out strafing a minnie is a scout.
By no means is this a great suit though. You're paper thin compared to every other suit. It doesn't tank well. It has horrible regen. Stacking more than 3 damage mods is absolutely pointless. Other assault suits are simply better. I really only survive as well as I do because I am used to playing scout so that extra 200 HP is a lot in comparison.
its called having tactics and strategy not every suit in the game is meant to be a full frontal assualt
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
1400
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:39:00 -
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just wait till you get a Matari tank though. Acceleration of a Gunlogi and top speed of a Madrugar. My mouth is watering, already.
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1508
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:40:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Lol my suit it useless, it has CPU and PG limitations, if I stack armor plates it'd be a waste of a suit. Please you have the second highest CPU and PG for a mid frame in the game, then your the fastest suit in the game and everyone stacks armor plates even them Caldari. So please stop your qq. What suit are you using then? To Curious Li-Moody: The sidearm bonus for minmatar is good for pistols also. I've gotten used to low hp and can live with that but the proto suit just feels lacking, hence my 'QQ' of upgrading it. I have the ak.0 on this character. But I'm sure your gonna be like your opinion doesn't matter then so let me explain my headaches. At proto I only have 3lows and 3 highs that load out makes for some pretty interesting fits right? I'm slower than a pregnant woman, my racial gun doesn't know the meaning of conservation **** eats CPU and pg like a midnight snack. I get 30 more HP and some stamina bonuses that is somehow equal to loosing some speed oh but get this I'm also inheritly slower then any other mid frame because of that. But that ain't the annoying part the most annoying part is that a damn scout gk.0 can get 600+ armor and still move faster than me. But I just learnt to deal with stuff I don't like by spamming grenades.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
2504
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:42:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:just wait till you get a Matari tank though. Acceleration of a Gunlogi and top speed of a Madrugar. My mouth is watering, already.
and the tank of a LAV
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
789
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:42:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:just wait till you get a Matari tank though. Acceleration of a Gunlogi and top speed of a Madrugar. My mouth is watering, already.
and hopefully 3L and 3H
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1508
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:48:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:SORRY FOR THE MONSTER POST
The only way I can run a viable Min Assault is by abusing the Low fitting requirements of the Core Flaylock and the Republic Boundless.
By using those two weapons (AND NO EQUIPMENT) I can stack 4 complex shields, a complex damage mod, enhanced speed, and a basic plate.
470 Shields 245 armor
8.3 Sprint
I shouldn't be having to sacrifice so much just to get a good fit.
ON ANOTHER NOTE:
I think the Minmatar Assault needs the 4/3 layout instead of the 5/2. Give the Caldari Assault the 5/2 and us the 4/3. It makes more sense, as Min's are supposed to be light dual tankers with huge speed.
This will also discourage the Dual Tanking Caldari that we see all the time. By giving them an extra shield slot, they could conceivably run the following fit (which is oh so caldari)
Cal Assault CK.0 582 Shields 155 Armor
46 hp/s recharge (Both of these are pretty much scout level recharge on an assault suit) 3.62s delay
4x Complex shields 1x Complex Recharge
PRO AR ADV SMG
M1 Locus
K17-D(R) Hives
1x Complex CPU 1x Complex Regulator
Amazing right? Fast, tough with excellent regen.
What about the Minmatar? 4/3 layout. (My fit at least) with a CPU/PG buff, as it will still be needed.
Assault MK.0
405 Shields 251 Armor
22.5 hp/s regen 1.0 armor regen 4.68 delay
Sprints at 8.77
3x Complex Shields 1x Complex L Damage mod
PRO CR PRO Flay
M1 Locus
No equipment
1x Complex Ferro 1x Complex Kincat 1x Enhanced Shield Reg
Made to be a rapid flanker. Shields should take the brunt of the damage, with 251 armor as backup. When you start taking too much shield damage, you should sprint away and wait for the regen. You can replace the damage mod with a recharger, but I think that flanking is more about doing as much damage as possible in a short period of time, and then running away if they turn to shoot you. Hence the damage is more important than a good regen, as you should be away from danger while recharging, not in it.
Just my ideas on this.
I find it funny that you put a complex CPU mod on that caldari fit but you give yourself a CPU pg buff to fit all those complex modules and weapons
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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daishi mk03
BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion
532
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:55:00 -
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pyramidhead 420 wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Atiim wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Your mk0 is trash. My ak0 and my viziam (**** sidearms) eats you all day long. Until you realize that we have the most powerful infantry "weapon" in the entire game. Go home Amarrian. You aren't welcome here. Your "most powerful weapon" (made of duct tape) has less dps than my viziam (during the relevant time frame). That's why you guys are dying and dying and dying. please scrub, were beating you 9 out of every 10 fw matches. you must have " 0% OF DISTRICT OWNED " burned into your tv screen, it pops up so often
lol, what took you so long, terrorist scum? try to boast with something other than 16 queue synch'ed tards like you winning vs 12 academy players. until then, eat my lazor
To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin.
The Scriptures,Book of Missions
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Drapedup Drippedout
0uter.Heaven
166
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Posted - 2014.01.04 16:57:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Lol my suit it useless, it has CPU and PG limitations, if I stack armor plates it'd be a waste of a suit. Please you have the second highest CPU and PG for a mid frame in the game, then your the fastest suit in the game and everyone stacks armor plates even them Caldari. So please stop your qq.
Caldari base shield equals 210, mk.0 is 150.
Caldari and Gallente 60 pg, 300 cpu. Minmatar is 64pg and 320cpu. Cal gets a free shield ext out of the gate for essentially 4pg and 20 cpu. Gal stacks armor with reduced fitting costs compared to shields.
So....whatsyour point? Come back when you have a legitimate argument. |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
874
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:09:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Repe Susi wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Lol my suit it useless, it has CPU and PG limitations, if I stack armor plates it'd be a waste of a suit. Please you have the second highest CPU and PG for a mid frame in the game, then your the fastest suit in the game and everyone stacks armor plates even them Caldari. So please stop your qq. What suit are you using then? To Curious Li-Moody: The sidearm bonus for minmatar is good for pistols also. I've gotten used to low hp and can live with that but the proto suit just feels lacking, hence my 'QQ' of upgrading it. I have the ak.0 on this character. But I'm sure your gonna be like your opinion doesn't matter then so let me explain my headaches. At proto I only have 3lows and 3 highs that load out makes for some pretty interesting fits right? I'm slower than a pregnant woman, my racial gun doesn't know the meaning of conservation **** eats CPU and pg like a midnight snack. I get 30 more HP and some stamina bonuses that is somehow equal to loosing some speed oh but get this I'm also inheritly slower then any other mid frame because of that. But that ain't the annoying part the most annoying part is that a damn scout gk.0 can get 600+ armor and still move faster than me. But I just learnt to deal with stuff I don't like by spamming grenades.
Aannyway, this thread was about Minmatar Assault. Not Amarr.
Smeehf.
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