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Ripley Riley wrote:

TechMechMeds wrote:

I was fighting for Minmatar and Gallente back when FW was basically a pub match that was tenuously tied to Eve Online. That somehow makes me right and you wrong! You've explained how you aren't a new player at all, but that doesn't serve my argument so I'm ignoring that! LALALA Can't hear you! LALALA!

Excuse me, I'll be joining a Gal/Min FW match mostly AFK for some LPs before school.

jenza aranda wrote:

The original system that evolved to what it is today was my idea. Why don't you like friendly fire in FW?

For starers... It breaks my immersion a bit when I consider that in FW your bullets actually hurt other mercs; meanwhile, in public contracts those same bullets don't.

Friendly fire necessitates a penalty that deters blueberries from rampant TK'ing. This penalty has to be applied to everyone who TK's regardless of if was an accident or not. A few blueberries dive into my squads' warbarge strike? Congrats, I earned myself a 24 hour banning for helping my team capture B. Friendly fire works Roll

jenza aranda wrote:

The reason i pushed for it is that there are many players who couldn't get into PC for friendly fire so I didn't want some players to be neglected for the chance of more complicated play.

It's more complicated, but it doesn't add depth at all. It's just a massive inconvenience. I can check my line of fire every single day, but inevitably some mouth breather will sit on my grenade or chase after my MD round and I'll lose standings and/or get banned.

jenza aranda wrote:

The system needs some tweaking, no arguments there, but I still thing FF in FW is a good thing and you are the first person i have ever seen complain about it.

I am the first person you have heard? Well, you aren't listening very well I guess. All the more reason you don't need another CPM seat.

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jenza aranda BetaMax. 2560	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:07:00 - [31] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Why doesn't CCP simply throw us out these crazy/bad ideas. If nothing else, it would be entertaining to discuss. I think you underestimate some of the crazyness of some of the ideas. CCP used to do this back in closed closed beta in the IRC and there where always a few people who started flipping the **** out and posting on the forums that x is happening and causing a shitstorm. the result of this was less and less info being shared in the IRC. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 667	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:24:00 - [32] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: for my first decree, i will petition to get narrowboats into dust! Whats your stance on This, and Actually Aiming in a shooter. Do you feel this was an appropriate fix for the control issues, lack of control customization and problematic HD we experienced through Uprising beginnings?.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2562	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:26:00 - [33] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: Boats are serious business. We need someone with proper dedication to the issue. Jenza is our gal for the job. First step in solving the problem will be the addition of water. Psh water THEN boats! blasphemy! the CCP way is to get the Boats first THEN the water! L2CCP Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
G Torq ALTA B2O 343	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:30:00 - [34] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: for my first decree, i will petition to get narrowboats into dust! I'll vote for you, if you promise to make it a requirement that CPM members get to iceland for FanFest via narrowboats. Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 288	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:32:00 - [35] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I was fighting for Minmatar and Gallente back when FW was basically a pub match that was tenuously tied to Eve Online. That somehow makes me right and you wrong! You've explained how you aren't a new player at all, but that doesn't serve my argument so I'm ignoring that! LALALA Can't hear you! LALALA! Excuse me, I'll be joining a Gal/Min FW match mostly AFK for some LPs before school. jenza aranda wrote: The original system that evolved to what it is today was my idea. Why don't you like friendly fire in FW? For starers... It breaks my immersion a bit when I consider that in FW your bullets actually hurt other mercs; meanwhile, in public contracts those same bullets don't. Friendly fire necessitates a penalty that deters blueberries from rampant TK'ing. This penalty has to be applied to everyone who TK's regardless of if was an accident or not. A few blueberries dive into my squads' warbarge strike? Congrats, I earned myself a 24 hour banning for helping my team capture B. Friendly fire works jenza aranda wrote: The reason i pushed for it is that there are many players who couldn't get into PC for friendly fire so I didn't want some players to be neglected for the chance of more complicated play. It's more complicated, but it doesn't add depth at all. It's just a massive inconvenience. I can check my line of fire every single day, but inevitably some mouth breather will sit on my grenade or chase after my MD round and I'll lose standings and/or get banned. jenza aranda wrote: The system needs some tweaking, no arguments there, but I still thing FF in FW is a good thing and you are the first person i have ever seen complain about it. I am the first person you have heard? Well, you aren't listening very well I guess. All the more reason you don't need another CPM seat. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1877	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:37:00 - [36] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I was fighting for Minmatar and Gallente back when FW was basically a pub match that was tenuously tied to Eve Online. That somehow makes me right and you wrong! You've explained how you aren't a new player at all, but that doesn't serve my argument so I'm ignoring that! LALALA Can't hear you! LALALA! Excuse me, I'll be joining a Gal/Min FW match mostly AFK for some LPs before school. jenza aranda wrote: The original system that evolved to what it is today was my idea. Why don't you like friendly fire in FW? For starers... It breaks my immersion a bit when I consider that in FW your bullets actually hurt other mercs; meanwhile, in public contracts those same bullets don't. Friendly fire necessitates a penalty that deters blueberries from rampant TK'ing. This penalty has to be applied to everyone who TK's regardless of if was an accident or not. A few blueberries dive into my squads' warbarge strike? Congrats, I earned myself a 24 hour banning for helping my team capture B. Friendly fire works jenza aranda wrote: The reason i pushed for it is that there are many players who couldn't get into PC for friendly fire so I didn't want some players to be neglected for the chance of more complicated play. It's more complicated, but it doesn't add depth at all. It's just a massive inconvenience. I can check my line of fire every single day, but inevitably some mouth breather will sit on my grenade or chase after my MD round and I'll lose standings and/or get banned. jenza aranda wrote: The system needs some tweaking, no arguments there, but I still thing FF in FW is a good thing and you are the first person i have ever seen complain about it. I am the first person you have heard? Well, you aren't listening very well I guess. All the more reason you don't need another CPM seat. Lol priceless, I probably earn more than what you earn in a month within a week. Clearly a little sprog, keep whining no one cares. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1879	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:40:00 - [37] - Quote Iv hidden your posts as well Ripley, you are not worth replying to in the slightest. Only care bears and newbs would whine about ff in fw, go to pubs if you don't like it. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 289	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:41:00 - [38] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Lol priceless, I probably earn more than what you earn in a month within a week. Clearly a little sprog, keep whining no one cares. Earn more... ISK? I think the phrase I'm looking for is Big ******* Deal. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2563	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:44:00 - [39] - Quote When i made my proposal for FF in FW, it was actually a lot more complicated than the 5 mercs kick thing and honestly would have heped, but it would have taken a very long time to implement. I dont know if they ever will give it a go but it was very good and everyone liked it. Im not sure if i can post my origional proposal here for the system but i will ask Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 289	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:49:00 - [40] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: When i made my proposal for FF in FW, it was actually a lot more complicated than the 5 mercs kick thing and honestly would have heped, but it would have taken a very long time to implement. I dont know if they ever will give it a go but it was very good and everyone liked it. Im not sure if i can post my origional proposal here for the system but i will ask Listen, you may have had a system that was more complicated and prevented some of the various problems with FF in FW. It might have been a halfway decent system too, but let's apply Occam's razor. The simplest answer is often the most correct. In this case the simplest answer isn't a complicated system. It is to never implement FF in FW in the first place. If your stance changes, if you are ever against FF in FW, then we can revisit my vote. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9582	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:50:00 - [41] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: When i made my proposal for FF in FW, it was actually a lot more complicated than the 5 mercs kick thing and honestly would have heped, but it would have taken a very long time to implement. I dont know if they ever will give it a go but it was very good and everyone liked it. Im not sure if i can post my origional proposal here for the system but i will ask Who's idea was it to not sell Assault Dropships or vehicle modules in LP stores? And while I'm at it, you should scold whoever made turrets mandatory on LP vehicles Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 598	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:54:00 - [42] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Why doesn't CCP simply throw us out these crazy/bad ideas. If nothing else, it would be entertaining to discuss. I think you underestimate some of the crazyness of some of the ideas. CCP used to do this back in closed closed beta in the IRC and there where always a few people who started flipping the **** out and posting on the forums that x is happening and causing a shitstorm. the result of this was less and less info being shared in the IRC. So if they are having ideas then yes, I guess we are underestimating CCPs crazy ideas, but who needs ideas? We're at the point where we want results not just crazy ideas or (long term planned) visions. The rest is just the inexperience of CCP with communication and lack of forum-monitoring, like this big troll.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2563	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:55:00 - [43] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: jenza aranda wrote: When i made my proposal for FF in FW, it was actually a lot more complicated than the 5 mercs kick thing and honestly would have heped, but it would have taken a very long time to implement. I dont know if they ever will give it a go but it was very good and everyone liked it. Im not sure if i can post my origional proposal here for the system but i will ask Who's idea was it to not sell Assault Dropships or vehicle modules in LP stores? And while I'm at it, you should scold whoever made turrets mandatory on LP vehicles Im not sure, but i am trying to get them in and foxfour already know about the turret thing Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 598	Posted - 2014.01.03 17:34:00 - [44] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: jenza aranda wrote: When i made my proposal for FF in FW, it was actually a lot more complicated than the 5 mercs kick thing and honestly would have heped, but it would have taken a very long time to implement. I dont know if they ever will give it a go but it was very good and everyone liked it. Im not sure if i can post my origional proposal here for the system but i will ask Who's idea was it to not sell Assault Dropships or vehicle modules in LP stores? And while I'm at it, you should scold whoever made turrets mandatory on LP vehicles Im not sure, but i am trying to get them in and foxfour already know about the turret thing Did Foxfour get promoted to he responsible for vehicles?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9584	Posted - 2014.01.03 17:45:00 - [45] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: jenza aranda wrote: When i made my proposal for FF in FW, it was actually a lot more complicated than the 5 mercs kick thing and honestly would have heped, but it would have taken a very long time to implement. I dont know if they ever will give it a go but it was very good and everyone liked it. Im not sure if i can post my origional proposal here for the system but i will ask Who's idea was it to not sell Assault Dropships or vehicle modules in LP stores? And while I'm at it, you should scold whoever made turrets mandatory on LP vehicles Im not sure, but i am trying to get them in and foxfour already know about the turret thing I wouldn't mind playing FW I just pretty much only fly now, and I won't risk 500k ISK for LP that can't be spent on vehicles. I figured this was just a case of not being able to cram everything into the patch at once, and hope it's in soon. Also splitting up the gear between the races was kind of a bad idea, not in concept, just in the fact that we don't have all the races equipment, so I'm forced to fight for Amarr Caldari Minmatar to get the stuff for my Heavy, and I'm a Gallente loyalist @_@ Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2573	Posted - 2014.01.03 18:27:00 - [46] - Quote thats my opinion exactly, i have an alt that i love using my dropship with Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 168	Posted - 2014.01.03 18:50:00 - [47] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: If your stance changes, if you are ever against FF in FW, then we can revisit my vote. Frankly we should have a Crimewatch like system implemented in the entirety of game modes, thus making friendly fire available everywhere, but with various penalties depending on if it was a pub match, FW or corp match (Can I have a dream about Concord bots intervening ? ;)
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 290	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:21:00 - [48] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: Can I have a dream about Concord bots intervening? At the current rate of improvement CCP should have functional AI out early to late 2015. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 196	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:27:00 - [49] - Quote Jenza 4 changingherpants 2014
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2577	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:33:00 - [50] - Quote here we go, apparently because it was my idea and they didnt end up going with it its fine for me to talk about here was the idea ... First off, this isnt meant to be a complete solve all as those who want to just team kill will always find a way, this is more like a way to minimalise the effect while also having consiquence. Lets say you want to get into a factional warfare game, in order to enter you will need to pay the collateral as deposit to the client empire which is refunded at the end of the match. Lets say that the default amount for a new player is 1 million isk. Big +1 For every friendly that is killed in the game, the value of that friendly unit is deducted from the collateral. and you loose some "merc status" (think something similar to the security status). If you destroy more than the collateral you paid, the next time you do a battle, the collateral increases. So troll A goes into a game and pays his 1 million isk collateral and through the game destroys 1.5 million isks worth of friendlies. In the next game, his collateral would be 3 million. He would also take a hit to his merc status which would be public on his profile. Conversely, if he does well in the game killing lots of enemy value, the collateral will go down but at a slower rate of going up. in addition to this, a small portion of the lost collateral goes to the victims. Another idea was to also have this linked into the standings with the various empires. So for example, if a person loves fighting for the Amarr lots, their standings with the minmatar would go down and thus the collateral would go up. Another example is that if there is an another Battle of caldari prime, and the player has a history of fighting for the gallente but joins the caldari side simply to sabatage the caldari side, because of his history of fighting for the gallente his collateral would be much higher. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki

The Furtive Pygmy Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 196	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:37:00 - [51] - Quote So in FW, a mode which you don't get isk, you can lose millions because an eve OB pilot waits too long to drop his OB and takes out 3 blues Yeah I can see why CCP didnt like your idea.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2577	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:38:00 - [52] - Quote The Furtive Pygmy wrote: So in FW, a mode which you don't get isk, you can lose millions because an eve OB pilot waits too long to drop his OB and takes out 3 blues Yeah I can see why CCP didnt like your idea. this was WAAAY before the decision to take isk out of FW. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 290	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:39:00 - [53] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: here we go, apparently because it was my idea and they didnt end up going with it its fine for me to talk about. here was the idea ... This was a pretty decent idea actually. The "collateral" being put up every match, but refunded after the match (provided you didn't TK the entire time) strongly deters griefing... however... it still doesn't stop Captain Windowlicker from getting in the way of my warbarge strike. In fact, with this new system, if I TK'ed some idiot blueberry I would be out lots of ISK. Again, wouldn't it be easier to just admit that FF in FW was a terribad idea and remove it? "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4350	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:41:00 - [54] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: The Furtive Pygmy wrote: So in FW, a mode which you don't get isk, you can lose millions because an eve OB pilot waits too long to drop his OB and takes out 3 blues Yeah I can see why CCP didnt like your idea. this was WAAAY before the decision to take isk out of FW. As well, this would be a non-issue if you could liquidate Faction assets via a player market to get income. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Miku Sora Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:55:00 - [55] - Quote Is jenza the one who made those tutorial videos?
Jason Pearson 3766	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:55:00 - [56] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Again, wouldn't it be easier to just admit that FF in FW was a terribad idea and remove it? You're a bad and you need to stay in Pub matches I'm sick of **** players crying about FF, I haven't been kicked yet and the majority of players I squad with have only been kicked due to silly bugs, such as CRUs spawning blues under their vehicles, killing a blue turned red vehicle, walking and suddenly getting kicked, etc. It doesn't need to be removed and adds something, it does not take away. @DUST Fiend, dw I yelled at Foxfour like a day into the patch about it, said he'd get on it ASAP... that said I asked him about it yesterday and he was confused.. shrugs King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 290	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:06:00 - [57] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: I'm sick of ** players crying about FF, I haven't been kicked yet and the majority of players I squad with have only been kicked due to silly bugs, such as CRUs spawning blues under their vehicles, killing a blue turned red vehicle, walking and suddenly getting kicked, etc. It doesn't need to be removed and adds something, it does not take away. What does it add exactly? The argument could be made that it forces teams to be more tactical and ramps up the difficulty, maybe. But that increase in difficulty goes hand-in-hand with having to deal with blueberries generally being themselves. You have played public contacts, you know what idiocy blueberries are capable of, right? At least in public contracts they will just be useless as opposed to being dangerous like in FW. It is as if CCP, with Jenza's blessings, said, "Okay, we need a way that a random new player can join a match and potentially ** things up for other players, potentially costing them the whole match without them doing anything wrong. I'm thinking friendly-fire. What do you lads think?" "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 263	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:48:00 - [58] - Quote Where do you stand in the implementing of PVE soon in this game.
Miku Sora Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.01.03 21:23:00 - [59] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: [quote=Jason Pearson], "Okay, we need a way that a random new player can join a match and potentially **** things up for other players, potentially costing them the whole match without them doing anything wrong. I'm thinking friendly-fire. What do you lads think?" clearly you have never played eve.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 291	Posted - 2014.01.03 21:29:00 - [60] - Quote Miku Sora wrote: Clearly you have never played eve. For almost two years actually. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley



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