reap what youv sewn.

I'm tired.

Must I say the same things over and over and over again?

How many times do I have to leave a tankers thread and arguments in shambles before they get the point.

are you guys just shooting at tanks when their hardeners are up?

if you are thats your problem, your too stupid to learn how to do new things.

but seriously, this is what I have in mind for making the balance more perfect.

sica & soma- 1 type of hardener on, stacking penalties apply, if you try to put more than one hardener on the fitting will become invalid. reasonable for militia grade equipment.

Gunnlogi & Madrugar- 2 hardeners max, since these are the ones you have to sink SP into, but they are still STD tanks, they should be allowed only 2 hardeners on max. 1 hardener for combat, the other hardener for retreating but it would be weaker because of stacking penalties. you cant activate them until both are colldowned. or when you activate one hardener you automatically get all of them activated and they are on colldown mode when retreating.

the price of tanks right now SHOULD HAVE been the price BEFORE 1.7 because lest face it, they weren't worth **** back then, every brain dead ****** with av grenades could solo the toughest ones with little to no effort.

increase the price of militia tanks to 150k, STD to 500k. that way it does cost isk to send them in, but its not to where everybody goes broke for a single fitting.

for AV to become a role again, you guys need to adapt or die for once in your lives, this is no longer call of duty 514, its your turn to experience **** for once. now you see what youv put tankers through for the last year or so.

reap what youv sewn.

are you guys just shooting at tanks when their hardeners are up?

if you are thats your problem, your too stupid to learn how to do new things.

but seriously, this is what I have in mind for making the balance more perfect.

sica & soma- 1 type of hardener on, stacking penalties apply, if you try to put more than one hardener on the fitting will become invalid. reasonable for militia grade equipment.

Gunnlogi & Madrugar- 2 hardeners max, since these are the ones you have to sink SP into, but they are still STD tanks, they should be allowed only 2 hardeners on max. 1 hardener for combat, the other hardener for retreating but it would be weaker because of stacking penalties. you cant activate them until both are colldowned. or when you activate one hardener you automatically get all of them activated and they are on colldown mode when retreating.

the price of tanks right now SHOULD HAVE been the price BEFORE 1.7 because lest face it, they weren't worth **** back then, every brain dead ****** with av grenades could solo the toughest ones with little to no effort.

increase the price of militia tanks to 150k, STD to 500k. that way it does cost isk to send them in, but its not to where everybody goes broke for a single fitting.

for AV to become a role again, you guys need to adapt or die for once in your lives, this is no longer call of duty 514, its your turn to experience **** for once. now you see what youv put tankers through for the last year or so.

reap what youv sewn.

are you guys just shooting at tanks when their hardeners are up?

if you are thats your problem, your too stupid to learn how to do new things.

but seriously, this is what I have in mind for making the balance more perfect.

sica & soma- 1 type of hardener on, stacking penalties apply, if you try to put more than one hardener on the fitting will become invalid. reasonable for militia grade equipment.

Gunnlogi & Madrugar- 2 hardeners max, since these are the ones you have to sink SP into, but they are still STD tanks, they should be allowed only 2 hardeners on max. 1 hardener for combat, the other hardener for retreating but it would be weaker because of stacking penalties. you cant activate them until both are colldowned. or when you activate one hardener you automatically get all of them activated and they are on colldown mode when retreating.

the price of tanks right now SHOULD HAVE been the price BEFORE 1.7 because lest face it, they weren't worth **** back then, every brain dead ****** with av grenades could solo the toughest ones with little to no effort.

increase the price of militia tanks to 150k, STD to 500k. that way it does cost isk to send them in, but its not to where everybody goes broke for a single fitting.

for AV to become a role again, you guys need to adapt or die for once in your lives, this is no longer call of duty 514, its your turn to experience **** for once. now you see what youv put tankers through for the last year or so.

reap what youv sewn.

I just took a second look at the OP?

Are you implying that Tankers actually adapted?

he is

tankers didn't adapt to anything. especially not void echo. they cried until they got an "easy win" button.

most real tankers in game will admit that they're OP and completely imbalanced.

Void echo is a joke. not worth replying to.

do you really need to start a new thread everyday on the subject with your completely biased views.

there are only 2 tankers views have no weight to them and its yours void and speaker4thedead. the inability for anyone to reason with you makes all your suggestions pointless.

i will on the other hand happily listen to any other tanker on the matter of balance.

this is all i have to say on the subject today. im sure you will just start a fresh on tomorrow and i will say the same thing there too

are you guys just shooting at tanks when their hardeners are up?

if you are thats your problem, your too stupid to learn how to do new things.

but seriously, this is what I have in mind for making the balance more perfect.

sica & soma- 1 type of hardener on, stacking penalties apply, if you try to put more than one hardener on the fitting will become invalid. reasonable for militia grade equipment.

Gunnlogi & Madrugar- 2 hardeners max, since these are the ones you have to sink SP into, but they are still STD tanks, they should be allowed only 2 hardeners on max. 1 hardener for combat, the other hardener for retreating but it would be weaker because of stacking penalties. you cant activate them until both are colldowned. or when you activate one hardener you automatically get all of them activated and they are on colldown mode when retreating.

the price of tanks right now SHOULD HAVE been the price BEFORE 1.7 because lest face it, they weren't worth **** back then, every brain dead ****** with av grenades could solo the toughest ones with little to no effort.

increase the price of militia tanks to 150k, STD to 500k. that way it does cost isk to send them in, but its not to where everybody goes broke for a single fitting.

for AV to become a role again, you guys need to adapt or die for once in your lives, this is no longer call of duty 514, its your turn to experience **** for once. now you see what youv put tankers through for the last year or so.

reap what youv sewn.

say what you will, I am done with the balance issue, im no longer a tanker, im just trying to make this game better for everyone, and having one class completely killed because others feel entitled a good game does not make

we (they) have adapted to over a year's worth of nerf after nerf after nerf, always getting the screwed end of the deal every time, tanks were a complete joke back then before 1.7, not worth the isk or SP you needed to put into them, now they are a thriving class that needs to have the weak weeded out. this is not call of duty, stop thinking your entitled to kill something 5x your size by yourself, your not, this is dust 514. HTFU

How dare those people feel entitled to a good game! Go on everyone, play crappy games and adapt!

You think tankers are the only ones that got nerfed? lol, you're a tanker through and through. it's tankers like you that feel entitled. When you couldn't do it on your own, you cried until CCP did it for you.

Congrats. It's people like you that broke this game. after youre done trashing it so nobody else can enjoy it, you'll probably leave to try and ruin another one. Just tell us where you're going so we can avoid it.

im going to your house, good luck with the insurance. lol...

you misunderstand when I say entitled, how is 1 single person entitled to kill something over 5x his size with no effort or skill involved? why are infantry entitled to one shot everything like in call of duty and vehicle pilots forced to eat ****?

that is your logic.

Who said one-shot?

I think the biggest complaint is there is no anti-vehicle/anti-infantry balance here.

If you are in a tank, feel free to dive into a squad of infantry.

If you are AV... well bring friends, lots of friends.

before 1.7- "hey everyone, a tanks here, free points" nobody feared tanks, they were jokes.

after 1.7- "why do I have to work for this now? this isn't call of duty anymore!!!!"

im going to your house, good luck with the insurance. lol...

you misunderstand when I say entitled, how is 1 single person entitled to kill something over 5x his size with no effort or skill involved? why are infantry entitled to one shot everything like in call of duty and vehicle pilots forced to eat ****?

that is your logic.

There's a million things I want to say here, but I won't go there.




I'll tell you again, I've never played call of duty. I don't know why you think that's such an awesome insult to tell everyone. The way you talk it up, I would think you were a fan boy. Also, I drive an LAV. Just because I don't drive the "one-hit-kill" mobile, aka tank, doesn't mean I'm not a pilot.

when you speak of someone with no effort or skill, what you are trying to say is someone with level 5 prototype AV weapons, level 5 proficiency and level 5 complex damage mods who got the drop on you and managed to get at least 3 shots off while you were away from your teammates before you could react. So why don't you say what you mean. Because if a skill-less brainless player actually killed your tank, then you really are a joke.

before 1.7 - "Oh hey a tank, I better kill it before it kills 90 people"

im saying that those who complain about not being able to kill tanks by themselves with militia grade equipment are the reason for this and the imbalance, if your going to blame anyone, blame those that complain they cant solo tanks.

you seem to forget that this is supposed to be a competitive first person shooter, where things like stats actually matter. any fool can call in a tank and completely skew the balance and change their stats just because they called a tank. The proof is all over the map. unfortunately people like you have no real experience with competitive games so you think this is how it's supposed to be.

Someone who is equipped and skilled into a class that is made to take you out should be able to take you out. It's not a guarantee, but he should have fair chance. That's balance in a competitive game. CCP practically eliminated an entire class of anti-vehicle infantry just so that you could have "god" mode. You seem to think that's perfectly ok because you cant see anything past yourself.

are you guys just shooting at tanks when their hardeners are up?

if you are thats your problem, your too stupid to learn how to do new things.

So you suggest I just sit there with my SL/PLC/FG and wait until the hardeners go down? I understand that hardeners are meant to protect a tank while it attacks but it can kill 10 people and run away before there is a window of opportunity to engage it between hardener activations. I've literally tried to wait with AV for probably 3 minutes before just switching back to regular assault because I never saw the tank without hardeners on.

"Because the tanker was smart"

Well then what can be done about a smart tanker? What can be done to someone who is only even visible while hardeners are activated? I can't stand when tankers just post "get gud, deep, hardeners" type comments when it's virtually a state of invulnerability only broken by a full squad of proto AV. Only being able to destroy tanks when they make a mistake or miscalculation is not balanced. Success and failure of an engagement should depend on both parties, not just the tank ******* up their hardener cycling.

coming from a guy that wants his av grenade crutch back so he can be god infantry again, that's a laugh.

If tanks got within throwing distance of infantry and exploded that's them being stupid. AV grenades are as much of a crutch as SLs are. To get proto av nades it took about 1.5m sp while to get proto SL/PLC/FG it takes like less than 650k sp. The disadvantage to AV nades is that you basically commit suicide to use them unless the tanker gets cocky and lets you kill them.

I agree with the class being eliminated. It seems most people just try an ignore tanks. It's like having 2 separate battles on the same field: infantry warfare and tank battles.