DUST Search - let's talk dust: long range rifles: how to balence in CQC?

Krom Ganesh wrote:

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

Everyone knows the power of the rail/scrambler rifles at long range combat they shred everything in front of them long range, as they should, but this power isn't restricted to just long range combat.

Simply put: the rail and scrambler rifles are both too powerfull in CQC.

So how to balence these rifles so it limits their CQC use, while not effecting their preformance at longer ranges?

IMO, the rail rifle isn't good enough at long range to have a CQC nerf.

If you want it to be less useful at CQC
Increase hip shot dispersion
Decrease RoF
Increase Damage per shot
Make it so there is no kick or sway when fired ADS

Less useful in CQC, better at range.

Edit:
BTW, I am of the opinion that the RR is fairly balanced with the other rifles (perhaps not the GAR, but that can go die in a fire for all I care Roll

). However, as a Caldari equipment enthusiast, the RR is not as enjoyable as I wish it was. I believe the above changes would make me more happy with it.

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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3553	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:26:00 - [1] - Quote Everyone knows the power of the rail/scrambler rifles at long range combat they shred everything in front of them long range, as they should, but this power isn't restricted to just long range combat. Simply put: the rail and scrambler rifles are both too powerfull in CQC. So how to balence these rifles so it limits their CQC use, while not effecting their preformance at longer ranges? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
MR-NASTY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 146	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:29:00 - [2] - Quote Do you really have to post these dumb let's talk dust posts about every stupid thing you can think of?
echo47 Minmatar Republic 145	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:31:00 - [3] - Quote I cant really sayfor the rail I don't use it. But for the scarambler you should not be able to hold a charge forever and you should only beable to charge your weapon in ADS mode. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 66	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:32:00 - [4] - Quote I would think a zoomier scope might stop some of the CQCQQ. ... or u could just stop the QQ..
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3553	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:32:00 - [5] - Quote MR-NASTY wrote: Do you really have to post these dumb let's talk dust posts about every stupid thing you can think of? Yes, I prefer them over 'this **** sucks' threads. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc 615	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:34:00 - [6] - Quote For the rail, longer charge up would do it. For the Scrambler, I don't know. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1012	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:36:00 - [7] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Everyone knows the power of the rail/scrambler rifles at long range combat they shred everything in front of them long range, as they should, but this power isn't restricted to just long range combat. Simply put: the rail and scrambler rifles are both too powerfull in CQC. So how to balence these rifles so it limits their CQC use, while not effecting their preformance at longer ranges? IMO, the rail rifle isn't good enough at long range to have a CQC nerf. If you want it to be less useful at CQC Increase hip shot dispersion Decrease RoF Increase Damage per shot Make it so there is no kick or sway when fired ADS Less useful in CQC, better at range. !
Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven 2555	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:36:00 - [8] - Quote RR and SCR are both fine. This is pure T_T "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3553	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:37:00 - [9] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: RR and SCR are both fine. This is pure T_T Out with you Amarrian! Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3556	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:42:00 - [10] - Quote jordy mack wrote: I would think a zoomier scope might stop some of the CQCQQ. ... or u could just stop the QQ.. Sorry I'm not the kind of guy to just watch something continue to be wrong. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven 2555	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:43:00 - [11] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: RR and SCR are both fine. This is pure T_T Out with you Amarrian! Seriously though I actually agree with you that the RR is a little TOO good in CQC. I've gone in Rambo style RR blazing from the hip in CQC, and have wrecked people. The SCR on the other hand in CQC is OK, but nowhere near as powerful as the RR. The SCR in CQC is more panic spamming whereas the RR is spool up CHANGCHANGCHANG kill "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
MR-NASTY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 146	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:44:00 - [12] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: MR-NASTY wrote: Do you really have to post these dumb let's talk dust posts about every stupid thing you can think of? Yes, I prefer them over 'this **** sucks' threads. You are just trying to farm likes. I guess its better than searching for your name. Yes I've seen your name come up as the most searched term several times. I can't I a nine that many people weather for your name so I assume it you searching your own name .... lol kinda sad.
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 103	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:47:00 - [13] - Quote Silly Amarr. Always hating... Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
MR-NASTY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 146	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:51:00 - [14] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Silly Amarr. Always hating... Is this one of your alts sinbato that you like your own threads with? I see your both scouts with knives. Kinda obvious.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2639	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:52:00 - [15] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Everyone knows the power of the rail/scrambler rifles at long range combat they shred everything in front of them long range, as they should, but this power isn't restricted to just long range combat. Simply put: the rail and scrambler rifles are both too powerfull in CQC. So how to balence these rifles so it limits their CQC use, while not effecting their preformance at longer ranges? Rail Rifle is perfectly balanced for CQC. Yes you can win fights with it that way, but every shot missed from the rail rifle is more relevant than a shot missed from a combat rifle or an assault rifle. The scrambler rifle even more so, due to heat buildup. However the scrambler rifle killing up close is also justified. The scrambler rifle is not a range superiority weapon, it is a dueling superiority weapon. It can and will destroy any target in 1v1 in the majority of situations, except for super extremes such as point blank versus HMG or shotgun. The scrambler rifles downside is that it is what it is, dueling superiority. You cannot fight multiple opponents with it at all because the heat buildup prevents you from doing so. There is also loss of damage per heat count when the charge shot is used, crippling its effectiveness further. tldr; They are already balanced as well as they need to be. Any further "balancing" would create an undesirable situation for all weapons involved.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1848	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:54:00 - [16] - Quote Worse at hipfire. Maybe add a little more recoil while allowing the first shot to be 100 percent accurate. Add a .10-25 sec to spool up time on rail. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1695	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:58:00 - [17] - Quote huge hipfire dispersion. higher scope zoom to make cqc harder. Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1041	Posted - 2013.12.30 03:58:00 - [18] - Quote MR-NASTY wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Silly Amarr. Always hating... Is this one of your alts sinbato that you like your own threads with? I see your both scouts with knives. Kinda obvious. Every scout you see is an alt of Sinboto'sGÇª every last one of us KRRROOOOOOM
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1848	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:03:00 - [19] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: MR-NASTY wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Silly Amarr. Always hating... Is this one of your alts sinbato that you like your own threads with? I see your both scouts with knives. Kinda obvious. Every Matari scout you see is an alt of Sinboto'sGÇª every last one of us Fixed. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5188	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:04:00 - [20] - Quote Add minimum range. Below x range the weapon drops off in damage. Never forget How to fix the Logi
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 954	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:07:00 - [21] - Quote Remove crosshairs...
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1041	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:08:00 - [22] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Everyone knows the power of the rail/scrambler rifles at long range combat they shred everything in front of them long range, as they should, but this power isn't restricted to just long range combat. Simply put: the rail and scrambler rifles are both too powerfull in CQC. So how to balence these rifles so it limits their CQC use, while not effecting their preformance at longer ranges? With the scrambler a damage reduction in cqc would make sense, in a similar sense to the way the LR works. Have the damage remain the same as is now in optimal, but lower the CQC damage with the idea that the energy build has not reached optimal. Opinions? NOTE: I am not saying destroy it the way the LR was crunched... RR, not sure really. I like the idea of increased spread on hip fire, coupled with an increase to zoom on ADS. KRRROOOOOOM
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1041	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:09:00 - [23] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Llast 326 wrote: MR-NASTY wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Silly Amarr. Always hating... Is this one of your alts sinbato that you like your own threads with? I see your both scouts with knives. Kinda obvious. Every Matari scout you see is an alt of Sinboto'sGÇª every last one of us Fixed. Thank you KRRROOOOOOM
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1448	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:14:00 - [24] - Quote I lol everytime I see "increase zoom when ADS" can't help but think to myself who the hell ads in cqc? "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1042	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:20:00 - [25] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: I lol everytime I see "increase zoom when ADS" can't help but think to myself who the hell ads in cqc? You have a point, but if the hip fire spread is increased and you can mitigate that through ADS, increased zoom minimizes that benefit. KRRROOOOOOM
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1451	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:24:00 - [26] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: I lol everytime I see "increase zoom when ADS" can't help but think to myself who the hell ads in cqc? You have a point, but if the hip fire spread is increased and you can mitigate that through ADS, increased zoom minimizes that benefit. And all that's pointless because all someone has to do is increase sensitivity. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1042	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:28:00 - [27] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: I lol everytime I see "increase zoom when ADS" can't help but think to myself who the hell ads in cqc? You have a point, but if the hip fire spread is increased and you can mitigate that through ADS, increased zoom minimizes that benefit. And all that's pointless because all someone has to do is increase sensitivity. I see Then Niuvo has it GÇª No crosshairs KRRROOOOOOM
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 392	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:30:00 - [28] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Everyone knows the power of the rail/scrambler rifles at long range combat they shred everything in front of them long range, as they should, but this power isn't restricted to just long range combat. Simply put: the rail and scrambler rifles are both too powerfull in CQC. So how to balence these rifles so it limits their CQC use, while not effecting their preformance at longer ranges? So let me get this straight, you want to nerf 2 of the 3 only rifles that have actual drawbacks. And you want to leave the two rifles with no drawbacks, the combat and assault rifle, alone? By the way, scrambler and rail rifle are mechanically unideal for CQC. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3561	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:31:00 - [29] - Quote MR-NASTY wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: MR-NASTY wrote: Do you really have to post these dumb let's talk dust posts about every stupid thing you can think of? Yes, I prefer them over 'this **** sucks' threads. You are just trying to farm likes. I guess its better than searching for your name. Yes I've seen your name come up as the most searched term several times. I can't imagine that many people would search for your name so I assume it you searching your own name .... lol kinda sad. I can honestly say with 100% certainty that I don't make these threads to farm likes sir I'm sure many, like yourself, have gained an irrational hatred for me through them so 'popularity' isn't the goal. I have these likes because I make these threads, I don't make the threads to get likes. Hell take the likes away and I'll still make them, just as I did when I started. I suppose people like yourself feel the need to post in threads like this because I'm one of the more 'well known' players, I'm sure you wouldn't have posted that comment if I'd been on an alt, or if another newer player had made it. As for the name serch thing, yes I do, I find it the best way to find replys to my post. I'm thinking the one who is trying to farm likes here is you good sir. Good day. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2756	Posted - 2013.12.30 04:32:00 - [30] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Everyone knows the power of the rail/scrambler rifles at long range combat they shred everything in front of them long range, as they should, but this power isn't restricted to just long range combat. Simply put: the rail and scrambler rifles are both too powerfull in CQC. So how to balence these rifles so it limits their CQC use, while not effecting their preformance at longer ranges? IMO, the rail rifle isn't good enough at long range to have a CQC nerf. If you want it to be less useful at CQC Increase hip shot dispersion Decrease RoF Increase Damage per shot Make it so there is no kick or sway when fired ADS Less useful in CQC, better at range. Edit: BTW, I am of the opinion that the RR is fairly balanced with the other rifles (perhaps not the GAR, but that can go die in a fire for all I care ). However, as a Caldari equipment enthusiast, the RR is not as enjoyable as I wish it was. I believe the above changes would make me more happy with it. Isn't good enough at long range!? It's fantastic at long range! It's better than the LR ffs. No.

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