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Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2522	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:02:00 - [1] - Quote Before somebody says that I'm just butthurt about how powerful the HMG is now, I'm not. This is more about the combination of heavy suits with an LAV driving around, jumping out, and eating people. Here's the problem: the heavy's only weakness is his mobility. (And no equipment slot, but whatever) You could argue that the heavy suits have another weakness by having less module slots than medium suits, but remember that the only heavy suit we have at the moment is the Amarr suit, and they always have the least modules. But anyways, mobility is the heavy's biggest weakness. They have the greatest tank, the best firepower, etc. So driving around in an LAV completely negates the heavy's only weakness, making it incredibly powerful. Why should they be allowed to do this? I do it all the time, personally, and I find that there is barely any counter(AV grenades do the trick, but hardly anyone uses those, and you need all three to destroy just one LAV, so not so practical). Hell, I've even seen other people use Sica's to roll up on people, jump out and annihilate them, then jump back in the Sica and drive off to their next victim. So here's my question: do you think this is working as intended? Should heavies be allowed to cope with their greatest weakness with an incredibly easy, low risk ride like the LAV? Should some sort of animation be added for a heavy suit getting in and out of a vehicle to nerf their ganking power? I imagine the animation would be about 3-4 seconds long, just enough to put the ball back in the victim's court. Thoughts, please. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
NOAMIzzzzz FREE AGENTS LP 81	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:07:00 - [2] - Quote No.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2491	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:13:00 - [3] - Quote I imagine this strategy would be less frowned upon if the mechanic for hopping in and out of cars wasn't an instant teleport. Heavies aren't the only ones who do it but they're a bit more infamous for it because they have a longer time to kill. You still see people being douches by rolling around and teleporting in and out of their vehicles to avoid damage and death regardless of their frame type. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2078	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:13:00 - [4] - Quote Its fine Its not like he can drive the LAV through the door and up the stairs and across the footbridge just to get out and kill you and there is counters you lazy infantry **** Intelligence is OP
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 602	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:15:00 - [5] - Quote I don't really know, i guess it makes heavies more threatening if thats possible, LAVs combined with heavies is good for transport and i hate seeing heavies teleporting out of their LAVs with their HMGs. *Assassination is my thing.*
Cpl Foster USMC The Defiants-Team 6 404	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:18:00 - [6] - Quote 1st time I saw it, I was like..."That genius Mo-Fo..." now when I do it I'm like..."That genius Mo-Fo was a genius Mo-Fo.." 250,000,000 isk....what's in your wallet...??
Cpl Foster USMC The Defiants-Team 6 404	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:19:00 - [7] - Quote they're like sharks in the water.... 250,000,000 isk....what's in your wallet...??
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2522	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:27:00 - [8] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Its fine Its not like he can drive the LAV through the door and up the stairs and across the footbridge just to get out and kill you and there is counters you lazy infantry **** Yes, I suppose if I did carry a forge gun with me everywhere I went, I would have a counter for this. But then again, that defeats the purpose of me using the heavy suit the carry an HMG. Otherwise, every other counter is impractical and not very effective. Let's tale a look at them: -AV grenades? You sacrifice the ability to carry the most powerful AI weapon, and it takes three AV nades to kill a MLT LAV now, since they are so damn tanky. Ineffective. -Swarm launcher? Just about as effective as the AV nades, except slower to fire. Ineffective. -Don't ever go where an LAV can get to me? That's just stupid logic, seeing as how this game's maps are all 99% open fields. Impractical. -Always drive around in my own vehicle? So now we have the same issue that tanks have, the best counter is to do the same thing everyone else does. Not like this game would have any real variety, right? But please, do tell the counter that you were thinking of. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2079	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:33:00 - [9] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Its fine Its not like he can drive the LAV through the door and up the stairs and across the footbridge just to get out and kill you and there is counters you lazy infantry **** Yes, I suppose if I did carry a forge gun with me everywhere I went, I would have a counter for this. But then again, that defeats the purpose of me using the heavy suit the carry an HMG. Otherwise, every other counter is impractical and not very effective. Let's tale a look at them: -AV grenades? You sacrifice the ability to carry the most powerful AI weapon, and it takes three AV nades to kill a MLT LAV now, since they are so damn tanky. Ineffective. -Swarm launcher? Just about as effective as the AV nades, except slower to fire. Ineffective. -Don't ever go where an LAV can get to me? That's just stupid logic, seeing as how this game's maps are all 99% open fields. Impractical. -Always drive around in my own vehicle? So now we have the same issue that tanks have, the best counter is to do the same thing everyone else does. Not like this game would have any real variety, right? But please, do tell the counter that you were thinking of. AV nades - you refuse to carry them, your fault if this playstyle plauges you since you wont adapt Swarms - full clip fired in less than 4seconds, thats fast Open fields - lolno stop lying Always drive - your choice Intelligence is OP
Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 172	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:35:00 - [10] - Quote where there is an exploit to OP in level, in anyway, it will be exploited. and mercs will cry about ti being so. That said, I have been on the receiving end of a Heavy/ LAV/ scanner/ HMG. Pure genius. The dude had it down. I got mowed many times by Him. Very frustrating for me and others, kudos to Him for a perfect Killmoebeal Pure Gallente

Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 273	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:35:00 - [11] - Quote it doesn't seem reasonable to nerf the heavy and nobody else. hmg is still not as good as the rail rifle, so if you're going to nerf the heavy, you need to do it to all the suits. besides, isn't the LAV meant for quick transport of your troops? if you take that away, I don't know what you're going to do with it. it's not as common as you would think because it's not as easy as it seems. the lav seems to attract a lot of attention from orbitals, swarms, and AV nades. especially since none of those are effective on tanks anymore. A well equipped heavy + LAV only needs to die once and he's probably going to lose ISK that match. I do use the tactic, and I see others attempt the same on me, but they are usually unsuccessful. The best is when they try to run away in that weak ass LAV and BOOM! +50, +40 points. A lot of people try to jump out solo right in the middle of a hot mess. Please give tanks some balance
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2522	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:41:00 - [12] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: AV nades - you refuse to carry them, your fault if this playstyle plauges you since you wont adapt I just said that they couldn't kill LAVs, but whatever your tunnel vision shows you must be what I said. Swarms - full clip fired in less than 4seconds, thats fast Too bad four seconds is four times the time it takes for an LAV to come around a corner, the heavy suit to jump out, and eat you alive. Seeing how you are holding an AV weapon as a primary, you have no chance of defending yourself. Open fields - lolno stop lying Really? You're just being purposely dense now. 99% was obviously a hyperbole, not meant to be taken literally. In reality, the open space is closer to about 70% of maps. Always drive - your choice My choice, maybe, but the only choice I CAN make. xD You couldn't come up with one reasonable counter to what I said? I'm disappoint. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 273	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:45:00 - [13] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Its fine Its not like he can drive the LAV through the door and up the stairs and across the footbridge just to get out and kill you and there is counters you lazy infantry **** Yes, I suppose if I did carry a forge gun with me everywhere I went, I would have a counter for this. But then again, that defeats the purpose of me using the heavy suit the carry an HMG. Otherwise, every other counter is impractical and not very effective. Let's tale a look at them: -AV grenades? You sacrifice the ability to carry the most powerful AI weapon, and it takes three AV nades to kill a MLT LAV now, since they are so damn tanky. Ineffective. -Swarm launcher? Just about as effective as the AV nades, except slower to fire. Ineffective. -Don't ever go where an LAV can get to me? That's just stupid logic, seeing as how this game's maps are all 99% open fields. Impractical. -Always drive around in my own vehicle? So now we have the same issue that tanks have, the best counter is to do the same thing everyone else does. Not like this game would have any real variety, right? But please, do tell the counter that you were thinking of. It doesn't take 3 AV nades, but assuming it does, 1 flux nade + 1 swarm is all it takes for 90% of the LAVs. throw the flux, then lock on with swarms. As soon as the flux goes off, release the swarms (+20% dmg to armor) and BOOM! try it. high ground is good against all vehicles, and all infantry. So don't be afraid to go up those stairs. with the current tank spam, most LAVs don't last long on the map anyway. if there aren't any blue tanks, you could always call in a militia tank in 10 seconds, destroy the LAV less than 1 second, then recall the tank in 5 seconds. Please give tanks some balance
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2522	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:46:00 - [14] - Quote Stinker Butt wrote: it doesn't seem reasonable to nerf the heavy and nobody else. hmg is still not as good as the rail rifle, so if you're going to nerf the heavy, you need to do it to all the suits. besides, isn't the LAV meant for quick transport of your troops? if you take that away, I don't know what you're going to do with it. it's not as common as you would think because it's not as easy as it seems. the lav seems to attract a lot of attention from orbitals, swarms, and AV nades. especially since none of those are effective on tanks anymore. A well equipped heavy + LAV only needs to die once and he's probably going to lose ISK that match. I do use the tactic, and I see others attempt the same on me, but they are usually unsuccessful. The best is when they try to run away in that weak ass LAV and BOOM! +50, +40 points. A lot of people try to jump out solo right in the middle of a hot mess. When I recommended the animation, I meant to say that it would encompass all the suits, my bad if that was not communicated properly. I forgot to say that I thought based on the suit you used, the animation would take more or less time. Light suits get out quickest(maybe even no delay at all), medium suits get out quick-ish, and heavy suits get out the slowest(like I said, about 3-4 seconds.) And while I agree the LAV should take you from point A to point B quickly, it shouldn't take you to the center of a firefight faster than people can react. You can drive up behind some cover, jump out of the LAV, and then get into the fight even with this animation nerf. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2155	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:48:00 - [15] - Quote Why is Logi Bro in a training corp? Your a Logi Pro. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2082	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:49:00 - [16] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: AV nades - you refuse to carry them, your fault if this playstyle plauges you since you wont adapt I just said that they couldn't kill LAVs, but whatever your tunnel vision shows you must be what I said. Swarms - full clip fired in less than 4seconds, thats fast Too bad four seconds is four times the time it takes for an LAV to come around a corner, the heavy suit to jump out, and eat you alive. Seeing how you are holding an AV weapon as a primary, you have no chance of defending yourself. Open fields - lolno stop lying Really? You're just being purposely dense now. 99% was obviously a hyperbole, not meant to be taken literally. In reality, the open space is closer to about 70% of maps. Always drive - your choice My choice, maybe, but the only choice I CAN make. xD You couldn't come up with one reasonable counter to what I said? I'm disappoint. They can be killed - stop lying If you have a SL you are in medium or scout and get out of his optimal distance - dont stand there like a lemon Close areas is where the heavy excels at No its not the only choice its just that you refuse to adapt Why the ** are infantry this ***** dense? Intelligence is OP
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2522	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:54:00 - [17] - Quote Stinker Butt wrote: It doesn't take 3 AV nades, but assuming it does, 1 flux nade + 1 swarm is all it takes for 90% of the LAVs. throw the flux, then lock on with swarms. As soon as the flux goes off, release the swarms (+20% dmg to armor) and BOOM! try it. high ground is good against all vehicles, and all infantry. So don't be afraid to go up those stairs. with the current tank spam, most LAVs don't last long on the map anyway. if there aren't any blue tanks, you could always call in a militia tank in 10 seconds, destroy the LAV less than 1 second, then recall the tank in 5 seconds. Alright, I get that you are trying to be reasonable, but that's incorrect. The Baloch has base armor of 2450, and PRO swarms do 220 per missile with 6 missiles in one volley. That means, assuming your flux takes out the 650 shields on the Baloch, you will hit the LAV with 1320 damage, multiply by the 1.2 that explosives do to armor, making it 1584 damage. That's assuming you even field PRO weaponry in a pub match, with is unlikely. It would destroy a Onikuma, perhaps, but I see very few people use those. And my problem isn't that vehicles are hard to kill, it's that they charge in on a position faster that you can do anything about. I can't get to high ground before that LAV that just pulled up next to me unleashes all hell. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2522	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:57:00 - [18] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Why is Logi Bro in a training corp? Your a Logi Pro. There's a very long answer to go to that question. Let me just suffice to say that I forgot that I was trying to join a corp, and I just stayed in the mandatory training corp they had put me in for two-week screening. (This was during the times when spies would AWOX in pub matches, so screening was a good idea) No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 200	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:57:00 - [19] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Before somebody says that I'm just butthurt about how powerful the HMG is now, I'm not. This is more about the combination of heavy suits with an LAV driving around, jumping out, and eating people. Here's the problem: the heavy's only weakness is his mobility. (And no equipment slot, but whatever) You could argue that the heavy suits have another weakness by having less module slots than medium suits, but remember that the only heavy suit we have at the moment is the Amarr suit, and they always have the least modules. But anyways, mobility is the heavy's biggest weakness. They have the greatest tank, the best firepower, etc. So driving around in an LAV completely negates the heavy's only weakness, making it incredibly powerful. Why should they be allowed to do this? I do it all the time, personally, and I find that there is barely any counter(AV grenades do the trick, but hardly anyone uses those, and you need all three to destroy just one LAV, so not so practical). Hell, I've even seen other people use Sica's to roll up on people, jump out and annihilate them, then jump back in the Sica and drive off to their next victim. So here's my question: do you think this is working as intended? Should heavies be allowed to cope with their greatest weakness with an incredibly easy, low risk ride like the LAV? Should some sort of animation be added for a heavy suit getting in and out of a vehicle to nerf their ganking power? I imagine the animation would be about 3-4 seconds long, just enough to put the ball back in the victim's court. Thoughts, please. Heavies in LAVs are the bane of my existence. I loathe them more than anything. With that being said, I see nothing wrong with it. They've adapted to their weakness and found something that works. It's a smart tactic. They have taken full advantage of the sandbox this game is. Accept your strengths and overcome your weaknesses.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 957	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:58:00 - [20] - Quote No LAV for heavy. They can ride in the turret but not be in a seat. Makes no sense first of all. Second it does indeed give them an advantage over their weakness. Makes sense if they are relying on others for quick movement. However, I'm all for allowing heavies to ge teleported via droplink every so many minutes or amount of times. Heavies are for operating in a limited area to lock it down. Give them something to promote that game play. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014

G Torq ALTA B2O 335	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:00:00 - [21] - Quote [quote=Logi Bro]I imagine the animation would be about 3-4 seconds long/quote] Light weapons output 400+ HP/sec, more so if skilled and with dmg mods (pushing 700/sec for lasers). Heavies have 1000-1600 hp. You're asking to have 3-4 seconds, in which you can trivially kill the heavy, without a single risk to yourself; sorry, no. Some counters: 1) AV Grenades Yes, they don't 1-shot the LAV (good!), but they do significant damage, and can make the driver decide that now is not the best time to get park. 2) Groups Any group of 3 players WILL out-DPS a heavy to an extent that the heavy will die before any one on your side dies. 3) Proximity Mines Not only can they currently trivially kill a LAV, with the current crying about making them better at killing HAVs, they'll be even better at murdering LAVs Place them in choke-points, and stay on the safe side, possibly try baiting the LAV drivers 4) Environment Use the environment (buildings/crates, stairs etc) to your advantage. Stay in areas where LAVs cannot reach, move behind an obstacle when an LAV approaches at high speed If you stop crying for a moment, I'm sure you can think of others. Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1455	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:03:00 - [22] - Quote Just play bait with Proxies and Remotes. Works like a charm. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 274	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:05:00 - [23] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Alright, I get that you are trying to be reasonable, but that's incorrect. The Baloch has base armor of 2450, and PRO swarms do 220 per missile with 6 missiles in one volley. That means, assuming your flux takes out the 650 shields on the Baloch, you will hit the LAV with 1320 damage, multiply by the 1.2 that explosives do to armor, making it 1584 damage. That's assuming you even field PRO weaponry in a pub match, with is unlikely. It would destroy a Onikuma, perhaps, but I see very few people use those. And my problem isn't that vehicles are hard to kill, it's that they charge in on a position faster that you can do anything about. I can't get to high ground before that LAV that just pulled up next to me unleashes all hell. Well, I'm a heavy, so I don't use swarms. But one flux + a short burst of my hmg takes out almost all Saga's (guristas, ishukone, SAGA II, etc). If I have my forge on, they have no chance at all. The methana can't run fast enough, but they usually try. Yes, I do use "PRO" weaponry in pub matches. But I guess I misunderstood your post. You don't think it's fair that someone got the drop on you because they were in an LAV. I'm not sure what to tell you. It seems like a reasonable part of the game. I don't like surprises either, but I spawn again and this time pay more attention. Please give tanks some balance
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2522	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:07:00 - [24] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They can be killed - stop lying Alright then, I guess I'll bust out the math. Do you carry PRO AV nades where-ever you go? Unlikely. So ADV AV grenades do 870 damage per nade, and like I said in a previous comment, the Baloch I use has 2450 base armor and 650 base shields. 870.8 explosive damage to shields goes to 696, meaning it takes out the shields then inflicts 461.2 explosive damage to armor, leaving my LAV with 2394 armor. Beyond this point is moot. By now the heavy has already exited the LAV, and is shooting at you. You can throw your next grenade in an attempt to spite him, but lets look at that. 870*1.2 explosive damage to armor is 1044, leaving my LAV with 1350 armor. Even if you aren't dead by then, your next grenade does 1044 damage to armor, and my LAV survives with 306 armor. Unless you carry PRO AV nades everywhere, you can't kill the base health on a MLT LAV. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2522	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:17:00 - [25] - Quote G Torq wrote: [quote=Logi Bro]I imagine the animation would be about 3-4 seconds long/quote] Light weapons output 400+ HP/sec, more so if skilled and with dmg mods (pushing 700/sec for lasers). Heavies have 1000-1600 hp. You're asking to have 3-4 seconds, in which you can trivially kill the heavy, without a single risk to yourself; sorry, no. Some counters: 1) AV Grenades Yes, they don't 1-shot the LAV (good!), but they do significant damage, and can make the driver decide that now is not the best time to get park. 2) Groups Any group of 3 players WILL out-DPS a heavy to an extent that the heavy will die before any one on your side dies. 3) Proximity Mines Not only can they currently trivially kill a LAV, with the current crying about making them better at killing HAVs, they'll be even better at murdering LAVs Place them in choke-points, and stay on the safe side, possibly try baiting the LAV drivers 4) Environment Use the environment (buildings/crates, stairs etc) to your advantage. Stay in areas where LAVs cannot reach, move behind an obstacle when an LAV approaches at high speed If you stop crying for a moment, I'm sure you can think of others. You obviously don't understand what crying is, I have considered your possibilities. Let me start with the easiest to explain and then move from there. Prox mines are bugged, they detonate long after the fast moving LAVs have passed by them. Also, you expect someone to throw prox mines on the ground AFTER an LAV has rolled up on them, and the heavy is shooting at them? What logic is that? Unless you didn't read jack, and you for some reason thought this thread was about LAVs being hard to kill and nothing else. Environment, yeah, that can help, but as I mentioned before 70% of this game's maps are open land. If you want to go from some point A to some other point B, chances are you will have to go through an open space. Where an LAV can roll up and decimate you. AV grenades, go ahead and take a look at a previous post I made doing the math. So that leaves one tactic, groups. I admit that this is valid, and will counter the LAV. But it's just one counter, then only thing anybody has said so far that is a legitimate counter to this tactic. There needs to be multiple counters to every thing, else there is no variety. I await to see your crying response that has no real logic behind it. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 1455	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:21:00 - [26] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Prox mines are bugged, they detonate long after the fast moving LAVs have passed by them. Also, you expect someone to throw prox mines on the ground AFTER an LAV has rolled up on them, and the heavy is shooting at them? What logic is that? Unless you didn't read jack, and you for some reason thought this thread was about LAVs being hard to kill and nothing else. You appear to be fielding your mines incorrectly good sir. Place them at track bends in flying V formation. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 275	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:26:00 - [27] - Quote turn up your volume. you can hear an LAV coming from a mile away. look at where it is before it gets to you, take aim at the driver side door and get ready for a fight. Please give tanks some balance
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2522	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:29:00 - [28] - Quote Stinker Butt wrote: turn up your volume. you can hear an LAV coming from a mile away. look at where it is before it gets to you, take aim at the driver side door and get ready for a fight. I don't get killed, I am the one killing other people. You forget that I've already said that I use this tactic, and I feel it is negating the only vulnerability that the heavy suits have. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 275	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:41:00 - [29] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Stinker Butt wrote: turn up your volume. you can hear an LAV coming from a mile away. look at where it is before it gets to you, take aim at the driver side door and get ready for a fight. I don't get killed, I am the one killing other people. You forget that I've already said that I use this tactic, and I feel it is negating the only vulnerability that the heavy suits have. they are just suggestions for the poor unfortunate victims you are concerned about. Do you know how many people are listening to music, or arguing with their parents, or just have terrible situational awareness? It's hilarious when I pull up with my headlights blaring on them and they just stand there looking away. A heavies inability to get across the map is only one weakness. no significant strafing or movement, no equipment, extremely long reload times. Also the people that use this tactic are usually solo, which can be a big disadvantage. Just curious, what if a heavy is dropped from a drop ship? should this be nerfed too? It fits your argument. Please give tanks some balance
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2522	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:45:00 - [30] - Quote Stinker Butt wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Stinker Butt wrote: turn up your volume. you can hear an LAV coming from a mile away. look at where it is before it gets to you, take aim at the driver side door and get ready for a fight. I don't get killed, I am the one killing other people. You forget that I've already said that I use this tactic, and I feel it is negating the only vulnerability that the heavy suits have. they are just suggestions for the poor unfortunate victims you are concerned about. Do you know how many people are listening to music, or arguing with their parents, or just have terrible situational awareness? It's hilarious when I pull up with my headlights blaring on them and they just stand there looking away. A heavies inability to get across the map is only one weakness. no significant strafing or movement, no equipment, extremely long reload times. Also the people that use this tactic are usually solo, which can be a big disadvantage. Just curious, what if a heavy is dropped from a drop ship? should this be nerfed too? It fits your argument. Dropping from a dropship will either make you take fall damage, partially crippling your combat effectiveness, or you will be forced to activate dampeners, which both make a loud noise and also immobilize you for a second or two. So it has a risk/reward feature to it, unlike the low risk/high reward that goes with jumping out of an LAV. There needs to be at least a small downside to using this tactic, is what I am saying. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.

Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 276	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:51:00 - [31] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Dropping from a dropship will either make you take fall damage, partially crippling your combat effectiveness, or you will be forced to activate dampeners, which both make a loud noise and also immobilize you for a second or two. So it has a risk/reward feature to it, unlike the low risk/high reward that goes with jumping out of an LAV. There needs to be at least a small downside to using this tactic, is what I am saying. it's less than 1 second to stand up if you activate dampeners, not really much risk. LAV's make noise too, and lights. driving an LAV is low risk? I don't believe that at all. the LAV alone costs more than most other suits and they blow up all the time. Please give tanks some balance
Natalie Herondale 0uter.Heaven 93	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:51:00 - [32] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Before somebody says that I'm just butthurt about how powerful the HMG is now, I'm not. This is more about the combination of heavy suits with an LAV driving around, jumping out, and eating people. Here's the problem: the heavy's only weakness is his mobility. (And no equipment slot, but whatever) You could argue that the heavy suits have another weakness by having less module slots than medium suits, but remember that the only heavy suit we have at the moment is the Amarr suit, and they always have the least modules. But anyways, mobility is the heavy's biggest weakness. They have the greatest tank, the best firepower, etc. So driving around in an LAV completely negates the heavy's only weakness, making it incredibly powerful. Why should they be allowed to do this? I do it all the time, personally, and I find that there is barely any counter(AV grenades do the trick, but hardly anyone uses those, and you need all three to destroy just one LAV, so not so practical). Hell, I've even seen other people use Sica's to roll up on people, jump out and annihilate them, then jump back in the Sica and drive off to their next victim. So here's my question: do you think this is working as intended? Should heavies be allowed to cope with their greatest weakness with an incredibly easy, low risk ride like the LAV? Should some sort of animation be added for a heavy suit getting in and out of a vehicle to nerf their ganking power? I imagine the animation would be about 3-4 seconds long, just enough to put the ball back in the victim's court. Thoughts, please. 1.) Mobility is not a heavy's greatest weakness... it's his second greatest weakness. 2.) If there is one role I can kill 99.9% out of the 100 times I face off against it, it is heavy. So, I welcome them getting out of their car. Although, it does p!ss me off when they have 0 health left and jump back in their LAV at the last second. If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 647	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:55:00 - [33] - Quote so a heavy in an LAV away from the objectives and tight corners where its most powerful who pulls up in an LAV that instantly becomes cover for YOU? i dont see a problem, its actually better for your team as a whole if the heavy does this rather then sitting at an objective. i usually run circles around the car putting it between me and the heavy untill the heavy gets bored. and then i slap some remotes on the car as subtly as possable and when they get bored and hop back in the car..... BOOM
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2522	Posted - 2013.12.29 22:12:00 - [34] - Quote Stinker Butt wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Dropping from a dropship will either make you take fall damage, partially crippling your combat effectiveness, or you will be forced to activate dampeners, which both make a loud noise and also immobilize you for a second or two. So it has a risk/reward feature to it, unlike the low risk/high reward that goes with jumping out of an LAV. There needs to be at least a small downside to using this tactic, is what I am saying. it's less than 1 second to stand up if you activate dampeners, not really much risk. LAV's make noise too, and lights. driving an LAV is low risk? I don't believe that at all. the LAV alone costs more than most other suits and they blow up all the time. The MLT LAV costs about 20k ISK. IDK how rich you are, but that's chump's change to me. My most commonly used suit is about 50k ISK, about 2.5 times as much as the LAV costs. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
pseudosnipre 421	Posted - 2013.12.29 22:17:00 - [35] - Quote Natalie Herondale wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Before somebody says that I'm just butthurt about how powerful the HMG is now, I'm not. This is more about the combination of heavy suits with an LAV driving around, jumping out, and eating people. Here's the problem: the heavy's only weakness is his mobility. (And no equipment slot, but whatever) You could argue that the heavy suits have another weakness by having less module slots than medium suits, but remember that the only heavy suit we have at the moment is the Amarr suit, and they always have the least modules. But anyways, mobility is the heavy's biggest weakness. They have the greatest tank, the best firepower, etc. So driving around in an LAV completely negates the heavy's only weakness, making it incredibly powerful. Why should they be allowed to do this? I do it all the time, personally, and I find that there is barely any counter(AV grenades do the trick, but hardly anyone uses those, and you need all three to destroy just one LAV, so not so practical). Hell, I've even seen other people use Sica's to roll up on people, jump out and annihilate them, then jump back in the Sica and drive off to their next victim. So here's my question: do you think this is working as intended? Should heavies be allowed to cope with their greatest weakness with an incredibly easy, low risk ride like the LAV? Should some sort of animation be added for a heavy suit getting in and out of a vehicle to nerf their ganking power? I imagine the animation would be about 3-4 seconds long, just enough to put the ball back in the victim's court. Thoughts, please. 1.) Mobility is not a heavy's greatest weakness... it's his second greatest weakness. 2.) If there is one role I can kill 99.9% out of the 100 times I face off against it, it is heavy. So, I welcome them getting out of their car. Although, it does p!ss me off when they have 0 health left and jump back in their LAV at the last second. Agree with #2 above. Had butthurt moment last week when I narrowly sidestepped a LAV coming full speed at me. I hit him with AV nades on his way in and get ready to finish him off as he slows down to turn for a second pass... until he magically appears 20m behind his LAV and mows me down with his HMG. Not a big fan of enormous people nimble enough to dismount at 60mph and take no damage while also maintaining 4000 ehp through the use of dismount attack mount tactics. At least give me a backflip, middle finger animation or equally ludicris as a 600 lb man with 300lb weapon ,zsitting across his lap being able TO FIT INTO A LIGHT ATTACK VEHICLE. at least take up a low slot for a seatbelt extension or power lift or something... In effect you need combined AV and AP to successfully take them down...unless you bait them to your RE pile. =) Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 693	Posted - 2013.12.29 22:17:00 - [36] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: AV nades - you refuse to carry them, your fault if this playstyle plauges you since you wont adapt I just said that they couldn't kill LAVs, but whatever your tunnel vision shows you must be what I said. Swarms - full clip fired in less than 4seconds, thats fast Too bad four seconds is four times the time it takes for an LAV to come around a corner, the heavy suit to jump out, and eat you alive. Seeing how you are holding an AV weapon as a primary, you have no chance of defending yourself. Open fields - lolno stop lying Really? You're just being purposely dense now. 99% was obviously a hyperbole, not meant to be taken literally. In reality, the open space is closer to about 70% of maps. Always drive - your choice My choice, maybe, but the only choice I CAN make. xD You couldn't come up with one reasonable counter to what I said? I'm disappoint. Sounds like you just dont want to change your playstyle Another counter is remote explosives, when you see the lav place a few remotes on the ground and detonate when he trys to get close, works 90% of the time for me.
G Torq ALTA B2O 336	Posted - 2013.12.29 22:18:00 - [37] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: G Torq wrote: [quote=Logi Bro]I imagine the animation would be about 3-4 seconds long/quote] Light weapons output 400+ HP/sec, more so if skilled and with dmg mods (pushing 700/sec for lasers). Heavies have 1000-1600 hp. You're asking to have 3-4 seconds, in which you can trivially kill the heavy, without a single risk to yourself; sorry, no. Some counters: 1) AV Grenades Yes, they don't 1-shot the LAV (good!), but they do significant damage, and can make the driver decide that now is not the best time to get park. 2) Groups Any group of 3 players WILL out-DPS a heavy to an extent that the heavy will die before any one on your side dies. 3) Proximity Mines Not only can they currently trivially kill a LAV, with the current crying about making them better at killing HAVs, they'll be even better at murdering LAVs Place them in choke-points, and stay on the safe side, possibly try baiting the LAV drivers 4) Environment Use the environment (buildings/crates, stairs etc) to your advantage. Stay in areas where LAVs cannot reach, move behind an obstacle when an LAV approaches at high speed If you stop crying for a moment, I'm sure you can think of others. You obviously don't understand what crying is, I have considered your possibilities. Let me start with the easiest to explain and then move from there. Prox mines are bugged, they detonate long after the fast moving LAVs have passed by them. Also, you expect someone to throw prox mines on the ground AFTER an LAV has rolled up on them, and the heavy is shooting at them? What logic is that? Unless you didn't read jack, and you for some reason thought this thread was about LAVs being hard to kill and nothing else. Environment, yeah, that can help, but as I mentioned before 70% of this game's maps are open land. If you want to go from some point A to some other point B, chances are you will have to go through an open space. Where an LAV can roll up and decimate you. AV grenades, go ahead and take a look at a previous post I made doing the math. So that leaves one tactic, groups. I admit that this is valid, and will counter the LAV. But it's just one counter, then only thing anybody has said so far that is a legitimate counter to this tactic. There needs to be multiple counters to every thing, else there is no variety. I await to see your crying response that has no real logic behind it. Disclaimer: I'm running LAVs on a regular base. The AV Grenade, as I pointed out, wasn't meant to kill, but to get the enemy to look for a different target. A deterrent can be, and is, a valid counter, even if you refuse to look at it in that way. I've tested running AT FULL SPEED, on flat roads in a Saga over Proximity mines, and getting killed repeatedly. I don't know how this is bugged, though I am aware that at full speed LAVs can escape AV Grenade explosions. Latest test was 2 days ago, with no, 1 and 2 hardeners running, and only test I survived in was using 2 hardeners. We can schedule a test if you please. The purpose of proximity mines is to create a safe'ish area for people to play in - not to kill the LAV or the heavy after he has started shooting at you, and I've no idea how you came to that conclusion. I was offering counters to getting jumped by a heavy, and a VALID counter is to keep them away from where you're playing. If there is a bug with proximity mines, solution is to fix the bug, not change how a specific suit-type interacts with a given vehicle-type. 70% of the map may be open space, but in Skirmish and Ambush (at least) the objectives tend to be in compounds or buildings. Getting to/from them is where we have LAVs and Dropships, so you dont HAVE to run in the open on foot, alone, with no means to counter the people attacking you. You will also find that not running around in the open is a good way to not get sniped, and helps in a few other situations. No crying, but at best you're trying to fix symptoms, and if the existing counters are not up to snuff, we (erhm, CCP) need to address that. Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE
Natalie Herondale 0uter.Heaven 93	Posted - 2013.12.29 22:25:00 - [38] - Quote Natalie Herondale wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Before somebody says that I'm just butthurt about how powerful the HMG is now, I'm not. This is more about the combination of heavy suits with an LAV driving around, jumping out, and eating people. Here's the problem: the heavy's only weakness is his mobility. (And no equipment slot, but whatever) You could argue that the heavy suits have another weakness by having less module slots than medium suits, but remember that the only heavy suit we have at the moment is the Amarr suit, and they always have the least modules. But anyways, mobility is the heavy's biggest weakness. They have the greatest tank, the best firepower, etc. So driving around in an LAV completely negates the heavy's only weakness, making it incredibly powerful. Why should they be allowed to do this? I do it all the time, personally, and I find that there is barely any counter(AV grenades do the trick, but hardly anyone uses those, and you need all three to destroy just one LAV, so not so practical). Hell, I've even seen other people use Sica's to roll up on people, jump out and annihilate them, then jump back in the Sica and drive off to their next victim. So here's my question: do you think this is working as intended? Should heavies be allowed to cope with their greatest weakness with an incredibly easy, low risk ride like the LAV? Should some sort of animation be added for a heavy suit getting in and out of a vehicle to nerf their ganking power? I imagine the animation would be about 3-4 seconds long, just enough to put the ball back in the victim's court. Thoughts, please. 1.) Mobility is not a heavy's greatest weakness... it's his second greatest weakness. 2.) If there is one role I can kill 99.9% out of the 100 times I face off against it, it is heavy. So, I welcome them getting out of their car. Although, it does p!ss me off when they have 0 health left and jump back in their LAV at the last second. To reiterate, I could tell you all what a heavy's greatest weakness is, if you even care to know, but knowledge is power and I don't just give that away for free. Plus, word would get out to heavy players and then, if they were smart, it would cease being their greatest weakness; hence their ignorance would cease to benefit me. If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 276	Posted - 2013.12.29 22:33:00 - [39] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: The MLT LAV costs about 20k ISK. IDK how rich you are, but that's chump's change to me. My most commonly used suit is about 50k ISK, about 2.5 times as much as the LAV costs. starter fit suit = free. my LAV = 80k how does your 20k lav match up to installations or the huge influx of tanks running around? Again, you're successful because you're a good player and use powerful tactics. You're in a minority. do you really think it's fair to nerf everybody because of what a small minority of people are good at? There is plenty of OP stuff that needs to be nerfed long before that. Please give tanks some balance
IrishWebster Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 119	Posted - 2013.12.29 22:50:00 - [40] - Quote Speaking from a pure medium Gallente assault perspective, I LOVE the Heavy/LAV combo. I tear through Proto bears in their try-hard costumes while I run BPOs. It's easy, as long as I'm not being constantly scanned and I can flank them. It's something I do every day, and I don't even sweat about them anymore. They're not usually a threat, so long as I keep my head on a swivel and I'm careful. But when I see an LAV screaming toward me with a fatty inside of it, I get... nervous. If he's good, he can park right next to me, hop out, and DELETE me. I don't even have time to scratch his paint job. This is not only awesome because of the sheer shock value of it, but think about the entire picture- that's one less heavy that's NOT guarding Alpha or Charlie, or stomping slowly forward to take Delta from me. That's one less heavy forge gunning my LAV or Soma as I mow down his compatriots, but... he still restricts our movements, he still increases the time it takes us to get from Delta to stop a hack at Bravo because we have to run between cover to avoid this insane Heavy hitman as he cruises looking to pick off the weak cattle from the herd. He forces us to play SMARTER- to travel in groups, to stay in cover. This is not a PROBLEM, but a frickin BLESSING. The way the Heavy/LAV forces us to play makes the game more fun, makes it more real. Plus, he protects you from snipers. If you're constantly running between cover and zig zagging to miss swerving LAVs, you're not likely to get OHKO'ed by the douchebag sitting in the redline with his charged sniper rifle. Lol Sure, add an animation to the exit for ALL suits from an LAV. Maybe make it a quarter of a second longer for a Heavy, because he needs to eat less pie at Christmas. But 3-4 seconds? No. Maybe one second. One and a quarter for the fatties, if you need a difference at all. It's for immersion and gameplay, NOT to screw anyway. If my car was on fire, it sure as hell wouldn't take ME four seconds to get out. I don't give a crap what I'm wearing. Lol o7 to all you fatty hit men and your quick-in quick-out mobiles.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2756	Posted - 2013.12.29 22:54:00 - [41] - Quote Meh, tanks are worse than the HeavyLAV combo. For the reduced survivability, the heavy gets a lot more mobility. Plus it requires a lot more SP to be effective, and roughly the same isk. No.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 957	Posted - 2013.12.29 23:23:00 - [42] - Quote Tell me ppl. Do you think THIS is in any way tactical or possible especially with a big f*cking cannon? Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Robocop Junior BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 441	Posted - 2013.12.29 23:42:00 - [43] - Quote If my LAV spawns first you can bet your ass I am racing to your ground spawn killing the morons staring up at their tank being dropped. I usually spit on your tank, fart on your body and drive off to get my FG and wait for you. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 2	Posted - 2013.12.30 00:09:00 - [44] - Quote my heavies' knees don't work, sometimes he can't even climb stairs! jumping in and out of lavs, gun in hand is realistic. I don't understand reloading though- that should be instantaneous! The RR has a delay and so should vehicles CCP I need an orthopedic referral. oh, and get rid of 3rd person vehicle view as well, this is an FPS-I would do this first, because it would change Tanking. happy new year.
Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 276	Posted - 2013.12.30 00:45:00 - [45] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Tell me ppl. Do you think THIS is in any way tactical or possible especially with a big fcking cannon? tell that dude his woman is a crack whre and I bet he gets out of that vehicle quick. lol back to topic... what if someone is on the turret? should their firing be delayed by 3-4 secs so you have a chance to fire first? it does make me laugh that none of this has been an issue as long as heavies were useless. now that they have a useful weapon, then comes up. It definitely smells like someone is fishing to get heavies nerfed again. Please give tanks some balance
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 228	Posted - 2013.12.30 00:50:00 - [46] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Before somebody says that I'm just butthurt about how powerful the HMG is now, I'm not. This is more about the combination of heavy suits with an LAV driving around, jumping out, and eating people. Here's the problem: the heavy's only weakness is his mobility. (And no equipment slot, but whatever) You could argue that the heavy suits have another weakness by having less module slots than medium suits, but remember that the only heavy suit we have at the moment is the Amarr suit, and they always have the least modules. But anyways, mobility is the heavy's biggest weakness. They have the greatest tank, the best firepower, etc. So driving around in an LAV completely negates the heavy's only weakness, making it incredibly powerful. Why should they be allowed to do this? I do it all the time, personally, and I find that there is barely any counter(AV grenades do the trick, but hardly anyone uses those, and you need all three to destroy just one LAV, so not so practical). Hell, I've even seen other people use Sica's to roll up on people, jump out and annihilate them, then jump back in the Sica and drive off to their next victim. So here's my question: do you think this is working as intended? Should heavies be allowed to cope with their greatest weakness with an incredibly easy, low risk ride like the LAV? Should some sort of animation be added for a heavy suit getting in and out of a vehicle to nerf their ganking power? I imagine the animation would be about 3-4 seconds long, just enough to put the ball back in the victim's court. Thoughts, please. I actually have a counter for this but it involves a bit of luck on the vehicles stopping point. Generally heavies try and exit right on top of my scout. So I sweep around his blind side which the car is on and start chucking re's on his car...then i sometimes let them kill me or run off for cover on that side of the vehicle. They almost always get back into the car. Then I gleefully hit the detonator on respawn and get extra points from their cherrypicking tactics. Or I stick to the highgrounds and listen for engine. They cant detect me anyway. Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Vesperz D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 23	Posted - 2013.12.30 00:55:00 - [47] - Quote Lmfao, are you serious? Lololols all the way back to merc quarters. An assassin's blade isn't seen nor heard, it is felt.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 739	Posted - 2013.12.30 01:00:00 - [48] - Quote It's a valid tactic. I don't think it's OP. But it does underscore how gimped scouts are. Even lol Heavy can get from A to B faster than scout with very limited expense. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Ion Crush Altyr Initiative 150	Posted - 2013.12.30 01:18:00 - [49] - Quote A solo heavy in a LAV is only really a threat to a solo runner. Effective counter - a squad. Other counters. HAV, forge guns, proximity explosives. These are available to a variety of clones with different skill sets. After you know hes in the match, take action.
Natalie Herondale 0uter.Heaven 96	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:16:00 - [50] - Quote I will say though... shotgunners LAV hopping. That's actually something to be afraid of. If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.

IrishWebster Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 146	Posted - 2013.12.31 18:45:00 - [51] - Quote Natalie Herondale wrote: I will say though... shotgunners LAV hopping. That's actually something to be afraid of. Eh. Shotgunners have a more valid tactic by sneaking around in cities and rocky outcroppings, being the little ninjas that they are. Besides, I REALLY like the idea of an enter/exit animation for LAVs and HAVs. It not only adds immersion, but it would force people to play a bit more tactically with the placement of their LAV's and such as they drive up to ambush someone. I think one second animations for the driver and passenger side mercs would work well, maybe a slightly longer animation for heavies to get their fat arses out of the seat. Lol Id like to see a one second animation for the two gents nearest the back, if we get troop carrier, and a two second animation for the guys sitting closer to the front (they have to wait for the other two to get out, derp. Lol).
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1901	Posted - 2013.12.31 18:51:00 - [52] - Quote Wait til we get Speeders... Faster, quieter, lower dB, .... Yeah. Summer 2019 can't get here SoonGäó enough. Beer before Liquor, never sicker. Toothpaste before Orange Juice, you're dead.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 397	Posted - 2013.12.31 20:04:00 - [53] - Quote I think its'a a viable tactic,cheap in execution but allowable.You can do that tactic with not just heavies and It's pretty easy to kill them on the spot just as easy as a heavy,you just have to have the right equpiment at the right time when you "encounter" them. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 166	Posted - 2013.12.31 20:07:00 - [54] - Quote I think it's a rather cheap tactic, but if I were a heavy I sure would consider using it more. In fact, I use the tactic in a LAV with my dual tanked slayer logi and it works quite well for those stupid enough to roam the open areas of the map alone in weak suits. Run in packs and you'll find the tactic much less useful.
TunRa Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 303	Posted - 2013.12.31 20:15:00 - [55] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: they're like sharks in the water.... Yes I am. Thanks CCP Foxfour
RAMB0 Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2013.12.31 21:04:00 - [56] - Quote Just don't be caught in the open by yourself.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1773	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:12:00 - [57] - Quote I always carry flux grenades with me because I use the combat rifle. It makes taking down LAVs easy (most of them are the free sagas), or at least makes them run away in fear. Heavy suits also become easy to kill when you flux them, especially with an armor killer like the combat rifle. Here's what you can do with a flux grenade: -Make shield tanks/LAVs run away/activate hardeners/boosters -Knock down half of a heavy's heath -Make groups of enemies scatter, or easier to kill -Destroy equipment spam, or equipment high up on platforms I have never had a problem with Heavies in LAVs thanks to my flux grenades, and knowledge of how to engage heavies. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 773	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:14:00 - [58] - Quote I'm fine with heavies using this tactic but there needs to be an animation for getting in and out of the LAV. I've had several heavies try this tactic on me only to realize my Proficiency 5 gun trashes them and they can just instantly get back in right before I kill them. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 260	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:49:00 - [59] - Quote I like the idea of a short animation. It would only have to take about as long as changing weapons--unless the vehicle is going above a certain speed. At above, say, 5 kph, you'd hop out of the moving vehicle and have to take a few running steps to stop. Above, say, 15 kph, you'd actually jump out and roll, then have to get up. This would be true of every suit, taking into account considerations like mass and friction, and may entail taking some damage beyond an observing enemy who can track a suit moving at 35 kph. However, this would be really low on the priority list.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 402	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:53:00 - [60] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Before somebody says that I'm just butthurt about how powerful the HMG is now, I'm not. This is more about the combination of heavy suits with an LAV driving around, jumping out, and eating people. Here's the problem: the heavy's only weakness is his mobility. (And no equipment slot, but whatever) You could argue that the heavy suits have another weakness by having less module slots than medium suits, but remember that the only heavy suit we have at the moment is the Amarr suit, and they always have the least modules. But anyways, mobility is the heavy's biggest weakness. They have the greatest tank, the best firepower, etc. So driving around in an LAV completely negates the heavy's only weakness, making it incredibly powerful. Why should they be allowed to do this? I do it all the time, personally, and I find that there is barely any counter(AV grenades do the trick, but hardly anyone uses those, and you need all three to destroy just one LAV, so not so practical). Hell, I've even seen other people use Sica's to roll up on people, jump out and annihilate them, then jump back in the Sica and drive off to their next victim. So here's my question: do you think this is working as intended? Should heavies be allowed to cope with their greatest weakness with an incredibly easy, low risk ride like the LAV? Should some sort of animation be added for a heavy suit getting in and out of a vehicle to nerf their ganking power? I imagine the animation would be about 3-4 seconds long, just enough to put the ball back in the victim's court. Thoughts, please. Sure if that means every suit has the same animation We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals

Natalie Herondale 0uter.Heaven 98	Posted - 2014.01.01 00:24:00 - [61] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: I'm fine with heavies using this tactic but there needs to be an animation for getting in and out of the LAV. I've had several heavies try this tactic on me only to realize my Proficiency 5 gun trashes them and they can just instantly get back in right before I kill them and drive off with their tail between their legs. ^^^^ Exactly. If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 429	Posted - 2014.01.01 00:25:00 - [62] - Quote LAVs are OP?! you head it here first folks! Definitely working as intended. and why are LAVs singled out here? can heavys not ride in tanks of fall from the firkin sky out of Dropships?! quando omni flunkus, moritati
Natalie Herondale 0uter.Heaven 99	Posted - 2014.01.01 00:32:00 - [63] - Quote ugg reset wrote: LAVs are OP?! you head it here first folks! Definitely working as intended. and why are LAVs singled out here? can heavys not ride in tanks of fall from the firkin sky out of Dropships?! Tanks are worse than LAVs. You might as well just buy a tank. One of my hobbies is taunting people who try to run me over with their car. They hit me more than once and I still don't die, but all of a sudden BAM I'm dead and I see a tank running over my body in the kill screen. If anything LAVs are UP. If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 1166	Posted - 2014.01.01 01:21:00 - [64] - Quote They have been doing this since beta, only now there usually isn't a logi with them. Before every corp had real logistics players that paired up with heavies an hardly ever were seen without one, driving together an doing drive by murder, nothing new just coming back around since heavies are strong again. Best is when it's shotgun scouts lol
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 931	Posted - 2014.01.01 01:30:00 - [65] - Quote LAV heavies are annoying. they are a legitimate tactic in the same way camping is. I also dislike RR heavies but I wouldn't remove them. on the other hand when you get to kill them hack their stuff and drive it into the redline for ***** and giggles, such sweet extacy. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 80	Posted - 2014.01.01 01:39:00 - [66] - Quote This is a discussion as old as heavies,dust and LABs combined. Back when heavies were ruthless this was a viable tactic. Then heavies got the axe and this discussion faded into oblivion. Guess who's back? Hmg. LAV. It isn't even viable all of the time so let the fat boys have some fun.
Elmo Love U 514 Mile High Club 607	Posted - 2014.01.01 03:15:00 - [67] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Its fine Its not like he can drive the LAV through the door and up the stairs and across the footbridge just to get out and kill you and there is counters you lazy infantry **** Um I can in my drop ship. Half the time,never have to exit........smoooosh. 30k dropship is where its at. ChantsPVE PVE PVE PVE
Elmo Love U 514 Mile High Club 607	Posted - 2014.01.01 03:17:00 - [68] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: LAV heavies are annoying. they are a legitimate tactic in the same way camping is. I also dislike RR heavies but I wouldn't remove them. on the other hand when you get to kill them hack their stuff and drive it into the redline for ***** and giggles, such sweet extacy. Oh no, not my FREE lav. :( I spawn em like skittles falling from the sky. ChantsPVE PVE PVE PVE
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 213	Posted - 2014.01.01 03:57:00 - [69] - Quote outside of city's and points is the land of vehicles so if you go out their with out a vehicle and the world goes all mad max on you, that's on you.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 463	Posted - 2014.01.01 05:02:00 - [70] - Quote Working as intended LAV is light assault vehicle. There is no problem with even 3 heavies driving around murdering stragglers. Course you could always travel in small groups. Its still amazing how fast a couple AR's can murder heavies and once they are on the ground you have much better mobility. unless they pull up right next to you you should be able to get cover before getting slaughtered.

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 212	Posted - 2014.01.01 05:53:00 - [71] - Quote Needs a disembarkment delay, for all vehichals not just LAVs Also I grin when i see any LAV coming when im in my blaster tank, even the Jiah ones, because they insta slpode if i so much as tickle them with my blaster.


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