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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:49:00 -
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One complex damage mod The suit I was using cost me 27k isk
I wish I had recorded it, but I was just playing casually. Don't usually record those ones. I did get a screenshot of it though. _______________________________
Okay enough of that...I wanted to make a point here. I finally figured out why everyone keeps saying this weapon is OP. Originally, I didn't understand it but now it finally hit me.
I know when something is unfair. I know when something is being abused, or when it is cheap. This weapon is well...it's slightly overpowered.
But not is the way you might think! It's just an ammo issue. Really, the weapon just needs to have a smaller clip/magazine size. The fact it has 54 rounds before reloading is the problem. You can spam the weapon for a long time before having to reload, and in that time you can take out, two, three, even four people.
If we reduce the size of the clip, spamming the weapon will result in the user having to reload more often. With each burst being as powerful as it is, I feel this is a decent enough tradeoff. The Scrambler Rifle has the downside of overheating if you spam the weapon, so why shouldn't the CR have something similar that reduces the ability to spam?
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:52:00 -
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I went 45/0 with a GLU-5 on a Scout suit in 1.6.
Redberries are just dumb.
EDIT: It was actually 45/0
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:54:00 -
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Each individual round does less damage than an AR, and the clip magazine is less than an AR; the fact that its burst makes the magazine deplete even faster than an AR. I don't see how the magazine size makes it OP. A weapon being able to kill 2 or 3 people with one magazine doesn't seem like a problem to me.
Maybe you just had a very good game, not exactly proof of a balance issue.
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Spaceman-Rob
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:55:00 -
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Or maybe you're just good at the game and the people you were shooting at are'nt very good. I also find that a lot of the time one side of a whole team can be lagged out for whatever reason, making for easy kills. |
DildoMcnutz
Science For Death
384
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:57:00 -
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Just depends on who you play, that being said if you can land your bursts that gun is brutal. |
Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:58:00 -
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It has huge dps, only SR, HMG and possibly shotguns beat it. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:59:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Each individual round does less damage than an AR, and the clip magazine is less than an AR; the fact that its burst makes the magazine deplete even faster than an AR. I don't see how the magazine size makes it OP. A weapon being able to kill 2 or 3 people with one magazine doesn't seem like a problem to me.
Maybe you just had a very good game, not exactly proof of a balance issue. it does only marginally less than an AR, but can fire much faster if you have a good trigger finger. it can kill in as low as 3-5 bursts which you can get off in NO TIME.
i'm not saying it's OP, but to the people who say it is, i can see where they are coming from.
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Bleeding Knight
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:02:00 -
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Yeah and laser is also over powered. I know this because I went 33-3 with it yesterday. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:04:00 -
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Nitrobeacon wrote:It has huge dps, only SR, HMG and possibly shotguns beat it. It has high DPS, but not as much as the numbers would suggest; its completely dependent on how fast you can pull the trigger.
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:07:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Each individual round does less damage than an AR, and the clip magazine is less than an AR; the fact that its burst makes the magazine deplete even faster than an AR. I don't see how the magazine size makes it OP. A weapon being able to kill 2 or 3 people with one magazine doesn't seem like a problem to me.
Maybe you just had a very good game, not exactly proof of a balance issue.
1. The fact that it is burst makes it take LONGER to deplete the magazine. 2. Each bullet might not do as much damage as the AR, but they are so close together that one burst is almost 100 damage. 3. Larger magazine size is not OP, it's the fact that you can fire the weapon for a very long period of time without having to reload, which increases dps over time.
Spaceman-Rob wrote:Or maybe you're just good at the game and the people you were shooting at are'nt very good. I also find that a lot of the time one side of a whole team can be lagged out for whatever reason, making for easy kills.
I've never done this well in a match with an ADV suit using a STD weapon. I once got 44 kills in a match using prototype gear, but that's prototype gear.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:07:00 -
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Bleeding Knight wrote:Yeah and laser is also over powered. I know this because I went 33-3 with it yesterday. Exactly.
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:13:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Nitrobeacon wrote:It has huge dps, only SR, HMG and possibly shotguns beat it. It has high DPS, but not as much as the numbers would suggest; its completely dependent on how fast you can pull the trigger.
Wrong again.
If you fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, the gun fires in irregular bursts. If you stay in "rhythm" with the gun though, and press the trigger as soon as one burst ends, you can fire it at almost automatic speeds.
The scrambler on the other hand...
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:21:00 -
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I went 255/0 in a Battle Academy match using a standard Plasma Cannon with one damage mod.
Clearly the plasma cannon is OP.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
593
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:23:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:One complex damage mod The suit I was using cost me 27k isk
I wish I had recorded it, but I was just playing casually. Don't usually record those ones. I did get a screenshot of it though. _______________________________
Okay enough of that...I wanted to make a point here. I finally figured out why everyone keeps saying this weapon is OP. Originally, I didn't understand it but now it finally hit me.
I know when something is unfair. I know when something is being abused, or when it is cheap. This weapon is well...it's slightly overpowered.
But not is the way you might think! It's just an ammo issue. Really, the weapon just needs to have a smaller clip/magazine size. The fact it has 54 rounds before reloading is the problem. You can spam the weapon for a long time before having to reload, and in that time you can take out, two, three, even four people.
If we reduce the size of the clip, spamming the weapon will result in the user having to reload more often. With each burst being as powerful as it is, I feel this is a decent enough tradeoff. The Scrambler Rifle has the downside of overheating if you spam the weapon, so why shouldn't the CR have something similar that reduces the ability to spam?
FML..... Its a Pub... I can get those results on a 6m SP alt... if you score high in a public match it really proves nothing. Take those results to a Que Synced FW match or a PC and test... because unless your trying it on competent people its not really a good measure of ability in the gun.
Most vet's can get similar results with near any gun in the game in a public match. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:23:00 -
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Do you have proficiency? sharpshooter? Rapid reload?
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:36:00 -
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You guys all act like this is common for me.
It really isn't. I hardly ever get more than 20 kills in a game. The fact that I got almost 50 kills in a match without even trying is concerning to me, not impressive.
Gah.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:40:00 -
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So obviouslY this happens every match you play. You wouldn't be silly enough to think one match results are definitive of anything.
Right?
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Aizen Intiki
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:41:00 -
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I went 94/0 with a missile Gunnlogi the last day of 1.6. Clearly missiles have always been OP, even when they nerfed them, and they are even more OP now.
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RKKR
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
571
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:44:00 -
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Doesn't claiming that this happened once and usually doesn't happen contradict your point?
Anyway, a KID knows that this game is unbalanced since beta so what's news? |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:54:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:You guys all act like this is common for me.
It really isn't. I hardly ever get more than 20 kills in a game. The fact that I got almost 50 kills in a match without even trying is concerning to me, not impressive.
Gah.
We stopped having to "Try" in 1.4? This game has been unchallenging, killed any sense of achievement and plagued with a giant Nerf/Buff cycle that has ruined specialized roles in the game.
This game isn't hard no more or challenging or feels rewarding when you get good results. EST 1.4 September/2013
The vet has to try even less then ever.. I have "X" health New player has "X" health I lock on with "AA" he locks on with "AA" my damage and health points = i win. Individual aiming is out of the equation. But I was supposed to be challenged by killing someone without AA when they had it? Do we really look that gullible?
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noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
330
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:54:00 -
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I went 20/2 with knives that must mean op right there. Scr is still better overall but my cr is a treat on my minja
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:59:00 -
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mollerz wrote:So obviouslY this happens every match you play. You wouldn't be silly enough to think one match results are definitive of anything.
Right?
I'm not that good of a player, but if a weapon used in the right way turns me from average to pro, and then I play for a few more matches and get the same results...of course I feel these results mean at least something.
If I can play against a bunch of randoms and get only 35 kills with prototype stuff, and then play against a full sqaud and get 47 kills with basic gear...it has to mean something.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:15:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:mollerz wrote:So obviouslY this happens every match you play. You wouldn't be silly enough to think one match results are definitive of anything.
Right? I'm not that good of a player, but if a weapon used in the right way turns me from average to pro, and then I play for a few more matches and get the same results...of course I feel these results mean at least something. If I can play against a bunch of randoms and get only 35 kills with prototype stuff, and then play against a full sqaud and get 47 kills with basic gear...it has to mean something. I swear, the rest of you keep twisting my words and keep thinking that I'm trying to say things that I'm not. Edited again for people that I keep confusing.
No. We get it.
You want the CR nerfed.
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ratamaq doc
Edge Regiment
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:29:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:mollerz wrote:So obviouslY this happens every match you play. You wouldn't be silly enough to think one match results are definitive of anything.
Right? I'm not that good of a player, but if a weapon used in the right way turns me from average to pro, and then I play for a few more matches and get the same results...of course I feel these results mean at least something. If I can play against a bunch of randoms and get only 35 kills with prototype stuff, and then play against a full sqaud and get 47 kills with basic gear...it has to mean something. I swear, the rest of you keep twisting my words and keep thinking that I'm trying to say things that I'm not. Edited again for people that I keep confusing.
You were not against a full squad. You were against me and 2 others + 13 useless blues. You and your squad played well, but you were by no means up against what even a good pubmatch has to offer. Post the screen. I remember, I went 27/15 is STD gear and was my worst game all morning. Could've swarn I dropped you once while you were using an ScR near the C CRU.
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Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:47:00 -
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My scores with the Rail Rifle, Combat Rifle and Assault Rifle are all comparable. And they are also comparable to my pre-1.7 scores with my TAR.
Every weapon has its strenghts and weaknesses. Maybe you've just found your gun?
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:51:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Nitrobeacon wrote:It has huge dps, only SR, HMG and possibly shotguns beat it. It has high DPS, but not as much as the numbers would suggest; its completely dependent on how fast you can pull the trigger. Wrong again. If you fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, the gun fires in irregular bursts. If you stay in "rhythm" with the gun though, and press the trigger as soon as one burst ends, you can fire it at almost automatic speeds. The scrambler on the other hand... Go ahead say it... I want ya to.
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OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
1158
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Posted - 2013.12.29 18:01:00 -
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Yea an my nova knives are op cuz they never run out of bullets, man get outta here! Probably a RR user that's mad |
Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.12.29 18:20:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Edit: You guys all act like this is common for me.
It really isn't. I hardly ever get more than 20 kills in a game. The fact that I got almost 50 kills in a match without even trying is CONCERNING to me, not impressive.
Gah.
Double Edit: This was the first time that I actually used this weapon properly. I also don't JUST use the STD combat rifle...
Games after this: 37/4, 33/8 This wasn't just a one time thing. I am getting similar results now EVERY TIME I use this weapon and it feels off. I don't like it. I don't want to like it. I don't want my favorite weapon to feel OP. __________________________________________
One complex damage mod The suit I was using cost me 27k isk
I wish I had recorded it, but I was just playing casually. Don't usually record those ones. I did get a screenshot of it though. _______________________________
Okay enough of that...I wanted to make a point here. I finally figured out why everyone keeps saying this weapon is OP. Originally, I didn't understand it but now it finally hit me. (I dont think it is, EVERYONE ELSE DOES, but now I understand why)
I know when something is unfair. I know when something is being abused, or when it is cheap. I don't like the fact that this weapon feels slightly over powered.
But not the way you might think! It's just an ammo issue. Really, the weapon just needs to have a smaller clip/magazine size. The fact it has 54 rounds before reloading is the problem. You can spam the weapon for a long time before having to reload, and in that time you can take out, two, three, even four people.
If we reduce the size of the clip, spamming the weapon will result in the user having to reload more often. With each burst being as powerful as it is, I feel this is a decent enough tradeoff. The Scrambler Rifle has the downside of overheating if you spam the weapon, so why shouldn't the CR have something similar that reduces the ability to spam?
It all comes down to how bad your opponents are when you get good scores...
Ive ran a couple of sub 20's, ran a couple of 30+'s with Combat Rifles, ran a 48/3 with my SCR litterally swearing through the entire match about its impossible to kill people now....and go ...oh ....at the end screen because i had to dodge 4 tanks meanwhile...
Then ended the day with a 58/2 with my SCR, the CR issnt bad, but i cannot run SCR scores with it, best i can manage are low 40's with a six kin.
But not having played for 2 whole weeks was me being pretty crappy in my 5 first games....
Its an effective weapon, ill give you that but its not a 6-7 people killing machine in a single overheat cycle.
PS: do remember that i am known to be bad with full auto weapons, ive played Semi weapons for most of my FPS days and burst weapon are completely not my thing, so for me the CR feels off for me.
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Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.29 18:30:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Nitrobeacon wrote:It has huge dps, only SR, HMG and possibly shotguns beat it. It has high DPS, but not as much as the numbers would suggest; its completely dependent on how fast you can pull the trigger. Wrong again. If you fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, the gun fires in irregular bursts. If you stay in "rhythm" with the gun though, and press the trigger as soon as one burst ends, you can fire it at almost automatic speeds. The scrambler on the other hand... has more dps than a frekin HMG, no wonder heavies are useless |
The legend345
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.12.29 18:33:00 -
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This games playerbase is HORRIBLE. There's your answer. Id be concerned if you couldn't get a score like that.
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